DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:I have the feeling the gap between girls DA & ECNL clubs in this area is going to open and up and widen pretty quick. I just don't see how ECNL clubs can realistically compete for the top players. DA seems like clearly the better option.

In addition to all the other reasons that are often mentioned, just look at the schedules.

Here's McLean's ENCL 04s: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-schedule-2017-18/

Total of 14 games during the whole year -- 7 each in the Fall and Spring. In between, that's a lot of weekends off.

By comparison, this is Wash Spirit VA's 04s: http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300

Total of 25 games throughout the year -- 13 in the Fall, 12 in the Spring. Pretty much one game every weekend during the seasons.


Have you looked at the league/division structures and tried to compare those distance wise for each option? We are looking at both McLean's ECNL and Spirit for next year. Ignoring the frequency of travel because Spirit plays more games, does one option have a schedule that requires shorter travel on average for any given game? TIA.


Mclean makes the same trips as we do at BRYC.......we make 3 trips: 1 to Raleigh to play NCFC, 1 trip to Charlotte/Greensboro NC (Carolina Rapids and NC Fusion in back to back days), and 1 trip to Columbia/Greer SC (CESA and SC United)............depending on the age group you are also playing in the National Showcases. Other than that the only travel was a game to richmond and 1 to Mclean. BRYC kids travel by bus with chaperones to all of the games other than Mclean. Parents choose whether to attend or not on those away games. if they do go, they are in their own hotel room as the girls all stay together.


Great information. This matches the U14 McLean 14 game schedule with basically 5 away games in NC or SC (3 trips) plus 2 local away games (BRYC and Richmond).

The U14s at Spirit play 25 games, and it looks like only 8 of them are away in PA or NJ (and one in NY). Not sure how Spirit does the travel for those 8.

Thanks again.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have the feeling the gap between girls DA & ECNL clubs in this area is going to open and up and widen pretty quick. I just don't see how ECNL clubs can realistically compete for the top players. DA seems like clearly the better option.

In addition to all the other reasons that are often mentioned, just look at the schedules.

Here's McLean's ENCL 04s: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-schedule-2017-18/

Total of 14 games during the whole year -- 7 each in the Fall and Spring. In between, that's a lot of weekends off.

By comparison, this is Wash Spirit VA's 04s: http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300

Total of 25 games throughout the year -- 13 in the Fall, 12 in the Spring. Pretty much one game every weekend during the seasons.


Have you looked at the league/division structures and tried to compare those distance wise for each option? We are looking at both McLean's ECNL and Spirit for next year. Ignoring the frequency of travel because Spirit plays more games, does one option have a schedule that requires shorter travel on average for any given game? TIA.


Mclean makes the same trips as we do at BRYC.......we make 3 trips: 1 to Raleigh to play NCFC, 1 trip to Charlotte/Greensboro NC (Carolina Rapids and NC Fusion in back to back days), and 1 trip to Columbia/Greer SC (CESA and SC United)............depending on the age group you are also playing in the National Showcases. Other than that the only travel was a game to richmond and 1 to Mclean. BRYC kids travel by bus with chaperones to all of the games other than Mclean. Parents choose whether to attend or not on those away games. if they do go, they are in their own hotel room as the girls all stay together.


Great information. This matches the U14 McLean 14 game schedule with basically 5 away games in NC or SC (3 trips) plus 2 local away games (BRYC and Richmond).

The U14s at Spirit play 25 games, and it looks like only 8 of them are away in PA or NJ (and one in NY). Not sure how Spirit does the travel for those 8.

Thanks again.


NJ and North can be bus trip while the PA games are up to the parents.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have the feeling the gap between girls DA & ECNL clubs in this area is going to open and up and widen pretty quick. I just don't see how ECNL clubs can realistically compete for the top players. DA seems like clearly the better option.

In addition to all the other reasons that are often mentioned, just look at the schedules.

Here's McLean's ENCL 04s: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-schedule-2017-18/

Total of 14 games during the whole year -- 7 each in the Fall and Spring. In between, that's a lot of weekends off.

By comparison, this is Wash Spirit VA's 04s: http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300

Total of 25 games throughout the year -- 13 in the Fall, 12 in the Spring. Pretty much one game every weekend during the seasons.


Have you looked at the league/division structures and tried to compare those distance wise for each option? We are looking at both McLean's ECNL and Spirit for next year. Ignoring the frequency of travel because Spirit plays more games, does one option have a schedule that requires shorter travel on average for any given game? TIA.


Mclean makes the same trips as we do at BRYC.......we make 3 trips: 1 to Raleigh to play NCFC, 1 trip to Charlotte/Greensboro NC (Carolina Rapids and NC Fusion in back to back days), and 1 trip to Columbia/Greer SC (CESA and SC United)............depending on the age group you are also playing in the National Showcases. Other than that the only travel was a game to richmond and 1 to Mclean. BRYC kids travel by bus with chaperones to all of the games other than Mclean. Parents choose whether to attend or not on those away games. if they do go, they are in their own hotel room as the girls all stay together.


Great information. This matches the U14 McLean 14 game schedule with basically 5 away games in NC or SC (3 trips) plus 2 local away games (BRYC and Richmond).

The U14s at Spirit play 25 games, and it looks like only 8 of them are away in PA or NJ (and one in NY). Not sure how Spirit does the travel for those 8.

Thanks again.


NJ and North can be bus trip while the PA games are up to the parents.


Other than the PA drives with parents, and the one NY weekend (where looks like it was for 2 games, not 1), are these others all one and done bus trips to NJ without a hotel stay?

Nice that the 17 other games were all around the local area. I wonder if that could be different next year?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I have the feeling the gap between girls DA & ECNL clubs in this area is going to open and up and widen pretty quick. I just don't see how ECNL clubs can realistically compete for the top players. DA seems like clearly the better option.

In addition to all the other reasons that are often mentioned, just look at the schedules.

Here's McLean's ENCL 04s: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-schedule-2017-18/

Total of 14 games during the whole year -- 7 each in the Fall and Spring. In between, that's a lot of weekends off.

By comparison, this is Wash Spirit VA's 04s: http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300

Total of 25 games throughout the year -- 13 in the Fall, 12 in the Spring. Pretty much one game every weekend during the seasons.


- but did u look @ the differences in roster size,, &playing time? WS roster seems huge....r any of those DPs?

Maybe they need so many games because there r so many players & can take only 16-18 to each match.....
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have the feeling the gap between girls DA & ECNL clubs in this area is going to open and up and widen pretty quick. I just don't see how ECNL clubs can realistically compete for the top players. DA seems like clearly the better option.

In addition to all the other reasons that are often mentioned, just look at the schedules.

Here's McLean's ENCL 04s: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-schedule-2017-18/

Total of 14 games during the whole year -- 7 each in the Fall and Spring. In between, that's a lot of weekends off.

By comparison, this is Wash Spirit VA's 04s: http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300

Total of 25 games throughout the year -- 13 in the Fall, 12 in the Spring. Pretty much one game every weekend during the seasons.


- but did u look @ the differences in roster size,, &playing time? WS roster seems huge....r any of those DPs?

Maybe they need so many games because there r so many players & can take only 16-18 to each match.....


Kids played up on the 03’s which does not have a large roster.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have the feeling the gap between girls DA & ECNL clubs in this area is going to open and up and widen pretty quick. I just don't see how ECNL clubs can realistically compete for the top players. DA seems like clearly the better option.

In addition to all the other reasons that are often mentioned, just look at the schedules.

Here's McLean's ENCL 04s: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-schedule-2017-18/

Total of 14 games during the whole year -- 7 each in the Fall and Spring. In between, that's a lot of weekends off.

By comparison, this is Wash Spirit VA's 04s: http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300

Total of 25 games throughout the year -- 13 in the Fall, 12 in the Spring. Pretty much one game every weekend during the seasons.


- but did u look @ the differences in roster size,, &playing time? WS roster seems huge....r any of those DPs?

Maybe they need so many games because there r so many players & can take only 16-18 to each match.....


Good point. No advantage in playing 2x the games if you are only getting 1/2 the playing time per game. In the end it would work out the same.

Someone else also mentioned that ECNL teams can supplement their league play with tournaments, which is also a good point. Gotsoccer shoes BRYC did 4 and McLean did 3 tournaments in the fall. For BRYC that amounted to 15 additional games in the Fall alone. Figure another 6-8 tournament games in the Spring, and that actually puts them ahead of the DA in terms of matches played.

Whether it's really such a great idea for 13 year-olds to be playing multiple 11v11 games in the same day (or on back-to-back days, for that matter), is another matter.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have the feeling the gap between girls DA & ECNL clubs in this area is going to open and up and widen pretty quick. I just don't see how ECNL clubs can realistically compete for the top players. DA seems like clearly the better option.

In addition to all the other reasons that are often mentioned, just look at the schedules.

Here's McLean's ENCL 04s: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-schedule-2017-18/

Total of 14 games during the whole year -- 7 each in the Fall and Spring. In between, that's a lot of weekends off.

By comparison, this is Wash Spirit VA's 04s: http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300

Total of 25 games throughout the year -- 13 in the Fall, 12 in the Spring. Pretty much one game every weekend during the seasons.


- but did u look @ the differences in roster size,, &playing time? WS roster seems huge....r any of those DPs?

Maybe they need so many games because there r so many players & can take only 16-18 to each match.....


Good point. No advantage in playing 2x the games if you are only getting 1/2 the playing time per game. In the end it would work out the same.

Someone else also mentioned that ECNL teams can supplement their league play with tournaments, which is also a good point. Gotsoccer shoes BRYC did 4 and McLean did 3 tournaments in the fall. For BRYC that amounted to 15 additional games in the Fall alone. Figure another 6-8 tournament games in the Spring, and that actually puts them ahead of the DA in terms of matches played.

Whether it's really such a great idea for 13 year-olds to be playing multiple 11v11 games in the same day (or on back-to-back days, for that matter), is another matter.


Again, the 04 roster was large but many kids played up on the 03 team. What isn't accounted for are injuries. There is no DA method for reporting games missed due to injuries. Regardless of the club, if you see a kid not getting reported for many games it is likely that they were dealing with an injury. There is just no way tha distinction can be made.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:^^ I thought Atlantic DA had a tighter cluster?


DA travel is by far shorter distances. Furthest games have been Long Island, but that was only once b/c it's out of division, and the team provides transportation & hotel (so parents don't have to go, even though the parents still have to contribute travel costs). DA divisions are geographically smaller, primarily playing the 5 local teams, 2 in PA, and 2 in NJ, and some of those games have also been bus-and-hotel for the girls. ECNL divisions are geographically much bigger.


I don't think you can say DA is far shorter. Go look at the maps online. DA is VA, MD, PA, NJ. ECNL is VA, NC, SC. Not too much different. ECNL used to be worse, but the current conference alignment is ok.
Anonymous
We were in ECNL last year, and DA this year, and the travel has been similar in frequency, distance, and expense.
Anonymous
On the girls side, the DA will start to improve on ECNL in 05/06 age groups and going forward. Right now, for the most part players in 02/03/04's seem to be staying with their teams and the ECNL teams in this age group is stronger overall than DA.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have the feeling the gap between girls DA & ECNL clubs in this area is going to open and up and widen pretty quick. I just don't see how ECNL clubs can realistically compete for the top players. DA seems like clearly the better option.

In addition to all the other reasons that are often mentioned, just look at the schedules.

Here's McLean's ENCL 04s: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-schedule-2017-18/

Total of 14 games during the whole year -- 7 each in the Fall and Spring. In between, that's a lot of weekends off.

By comparison, this is Wash Spirit VA's 04s: http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300

Total of 25 games throughout the year -- 13 in the Fall, 12 in the Spring. Pretty much one game every weekend during the seasons.


- but did u look @ the differences in roster size,, &playing time? WS roster seems huge....r any of those DPs?

Maybe they need so many games because there r so many players & can take only 16-18 to each match.....


Good point. No advantage in playing 2x the games if you are only getting 1/2 the playing time per game. In the end it would work out the same.

Someone else also mentioned that ECNL teams can supplement their league play with tournaments, which is also a good point. Gotsoccer shoes BRYC did 4 and McLean did 3 tournaments in the fall. For BRYC that amounted to 15 additional games in the Fall alone. Figure another 6-8 tournament games in the Spring, and that actually puts them ahead of the DA in terms of matches played.

Whether it's really such a great idea for 13 year-olds to be playing multiple 11v11 games in the same day (or on back-to-back days, for that matter), is another matter.


ECNL is all for wins, tournament games will fa or best XI, DA is supposed to be focused on development, so ideally more players would get to start through out the league games. It's been proven already, training is the best way to improve.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have the feeling the gap between girls DA & ECNL clubs in this area is going to open and up and widen pretty quick. I just don't see how ECNL clubs can realistically compete for the top players. DA seems like clearly the better option.

In addition to all the other reasons that are often mentioned, just look at the schedules.

Here's McLean's ENCL 04s: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-schedule-2017-18/

Total of 14 games during the whole year -- 7 each in the Fall and Spring. In between, that's a lot of weekends off.

By comparison, this is Wash Spirit VA's 04s: http://wsav.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=3952300

Total of 25 games throughout the year -- 13 in the Fall, 12 in the Spring. Pretty much one game every weekend during the seasons.


- but did u look @ the differences in roster size,, &playing time? WS roster seems huge....r any of those DPs?

Maybe they need so many games because there r so many players & can take only 16-18 to each match.....


Good point. No advantage in playing 2x the games if you are only getting 1/2 the playing time per game. In the end it would work out the same.

Someone else also mentioned that ECNL teams can supplement their league play with tournaments, which is also a good point. Gotsoccer shoes BRYC did 4 and McLean did 3 tournaments in the fall. For BRYC that amounted to 15 additional games in the Fall alone. Figure another 6-8 tournament games in the Spring, and that actually puts them ahead of the DA in terms of matches played.

Whether it's really such a great idea for 13 year-olds to be playing multiple 11v11 games in the same day (or on back-to-back days, for that matter), is another matter.


ECNL is all for wins, tournament games will fa or best XI, DA is supposed to be focused on development, so ideally more players would get to start through out the league games. It's been proven already, training is the best way to improve.


Lots of good info at those links, thanks for sharing. Digging down into the DA website especially has tons of data in the game reports about minutes played and games played. In addition to being helpful in thinking about choices for my daughter i’m impressed with the level of data collection.
Anonymous
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ECNL is all for wins, tournament games will fa or best XI, DA is supposed to be focused on development, so ideally more players would get to start through out the league games. It's been proven already, training is the best way to improve.


Well you would think that being a "Development" Academy, that its all about "development" but that is spotty at best. If you look at the playing time distribution, WS is pretty even... they appear to be trying to develop uniformly across the depth chart (perhaps necessarily). Other clubs like (you can see all this online BTW) FCV for example has a heavy bias on the starting 11. Unfortunately ECNL stats are not so obvious but I don't think you can generalize as PP has done. As Nicki would say, do your f**kin research.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We were in ECNL last year, and DA this year, and the travel has been similar in frequency, distance, and expense.


How would you compare the expected total costs for your 2017-18 season, versus last year in your 2016-17 season for ECNL? I presume you were with FCV for both. Ballpark your total financial hits.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:We were in ECNL last year, and DA this year, and the travel has been similar in frequency, distance, and expense.


How would you compare the expected total costs for your 2017-18 season, versus last year in your 2016-17 season for ECNL? I presume you were with FCV for both. Ballpark your total financial hits.


The coaching is the same, the travel is pretty much identical, one can conclude that the costs are pretty much the same between ECNL and DA. In time, Spirit could be fully or partially funded whereas FCV cannot.
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