Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't the father's sister say she spoke to him Thursday ? Was it before the call/text to the housekeeper or after ? I wonder if he mentioned to anyone else his wife was feeling sick.

Why not just let the in house housekeeper use your phone if hers wasn't charged ? If one or the other didn't speak English as was noted in one article, could that housekeeper read English ?

I believe that somewhere there is an explanation clarifying that he actually spoke to the sister on Wednesday morning, not Thursday.

[Anonymous]

Coincidence that the daughter suffered an "accidental" concussion severe enough to cause permanent brain damage a couple of years before the rest of the family dies from "blunt force" trauma? Perhaps the daughters were sent to boarding school to protect them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe that a "professional" would ever be caught on video. This was a random act by at least two thugs....

+1

But didn't the family have a security system? At some point, someone could have signaled an alarm. And, if it was totally random, why would they pick this family and a house that is nestled near so many high-profile people (VP, Clintons, Ambassadors) with security? If I was randomly going to target a wealthy family, I would hit someone that had few neighbors, not ones that were mere feet away.

My thoughts also.

Great Falls, McLean, Potomac - there's so many affluent homes in those areas literally tucked into the woods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe that a "professional" would ever be caught on video. This was a random act by at least two thugs....

+1

But didn't the family have a security system? At some point, someone could have signaled an alarm. And, if it was totally random, why would they pick this family and a house that is nestled near so many high-profile people (VP, Clintons, Ambassadors) with security? If I was randomly going to target a wealthy family, I would hit someone that had few neighbors, not ones that were mere feet away.

My thoughts also.

Great Falls, McLean, Potomac - there's so many affluent homes in those areas literally tucked into the woods.

But those homes in GF, McLean and Potomac probably have silent alarm systems, hidden interior and exterior cameras, and other devices in use. You'd be shocked at what I have seen caught on hidden cameras. Any chance this might involve an off kilter neighbor with a perceived slight?

[Anonymous]

Not sure why people seem so confused about not letting the first housekeeper call her husband herself. Presumably, she normally speaks to her husband in Spanish, and he would think it very odd if she spoke to him in English. If the murderers don't know Spanish, they wouldn't be able to know if she is saying "I won't be home tonight because I need to stay over" or "there are some men here in the house threatening us so please summon the police".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do speed and traffic cameras film continuously, or are they triggered only when someone is speeding/running a red light?

I think trafic cameras almost always have a different line of vision than personal property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Savvas was attempting to send out a veiled message of distress to his housekeeper Gutierrez, with the several voicemail messages and text she supposedly received from the family, you wonder why he didn't also reach out to a family member.

Perhaps call or text his sister, who he knows lives in Florida, and refer to her repeatedly by another name, not her own, as he asks her not to come over to the house tomorrow as planned. I know, though, that it is difficult to think of options when your family's life is threatened.

That could suggest that the perpetrators knew the family and their routine well enough to consider Gutierrez the only threat to the their plans, based on her schedule.

Or it could suggest that this family cared so much about their housekeeper, that even under great duress, they sought to prevent her from becoming part of the calamity.

This is a good point ... Under this line of thinking he could tell them someone else was supposed to stop by then text that person to set off an alarm. But, I suppose if the sister or anyone else texted back "what are you talking about? I'm not coming over" that could lead to the perpetrator hurting them and he didnt want to risk that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coincidence that the daughter suffered an "accidental" concussion severe enough to cause permanent brain damage a couple of years before the rest of the family dies from "blunt force" trauma? Perhaps the daughters were sent to boarding school to protect them?

Brain damage??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people seem so confused about not letting the first housekeeper call her husband herself. Presumably, she normally speaks to her husband in Spanish, and he would think it very odd if she spoke to him in English. If the murderers don't know Spanish, they wouldn't be able to know if she is saying "I won't be home tonight because I need to stay over" or "there are some men here in the house threatening us so please summon the police".

Agreed, the perpetrators were probably concerned that they could not control her message as readily as they could control his. Or else they had her tied up, or otherwise incapacitated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coincidence that the daughter suffered an "accidental" concussion severe enough to cause permanent brain damage a couple of years before the rest of the family dies from "blunt force" trauma? Perhaps the daughters were sent to boarding school to protect them?

If you are suggesting the accident wasn't one and they knew it, this family would have hired 24 hour security guards, bought weapons, had cameras everywhere, probably bullet proofed their Porsche - you name it. Money was no object to them. I doubt they would have shipped off the girls as a precaution and anyway what about the 10 year old? They just said fuck it to putting him out of harms way?

Accident was an accident, nothing more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people seem so confused about not letting the first housekeeper call her husband herself. Presumably, she normally speaks to her husband in Spanish, and he would think it very odd if she spoke to him in English. If the murderers don't know Spanish, they wouldn't be able to know if she is saying "I won't be home tonight because I need to stay over" or "there are some men here in the house threatening us so please summon the police".

Agreed, the perpetrators were probably concerned that they could not control her message as readily as they could control his. Or else they had her tied up, or otherwise incapacitated.

But I wonder why the first housekeeper's husband didn't call the police when his wife never came home. Housekeeper 2 says she gets the weird vm from the father that housekeeper #1 is spending the night but her phone battery is dead and doesn't have a charger so can #2 call #1s husband to tell him, which is so bizarre in so many ways. #2 says she didn't get the vm until Thursday morning , that #1 never spends the night and she thought that was super strange.

So where was #1s husband if his wife didn't come home and never spends the night at work. IN NO WAY am I implying the housekeepers husband was involved, NO WAY, but if my husband didn't come home from work and I had no contact from him I would be worried (think wife of DC lawyer who was found stabbed in the hotel, remember she called the police after her husband didn't come home).

[Anonymous]

I thought it was the son that had the concussion ?

Anyone hear this ?

"I'm surprised the police have not kept up with information from earlier reports (or they have, and we just don't know it) - but in one of the first reports, a younger man (hispanic) was sitting outside of the house with some of the other workers who had been escorted out. He stated that his brother had been working on heating at the house earlier, but had since lost contact with him/ had no idea where he was. A neighbor of the Savopouloses also mentioned that they saw a hispanic man driving the Porsche. Has no one thought to make this connection??"

It was in the comment section of the Washington Post story

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/housekeeper-of-dc-couple-found-dead-wondered-if-something-was-amiss/2015/05/16/08140154-fbf7-11e4-9030-b4732caefe81_story.html

It's the second time I've read this on two different sites.

[Anonymous]

"The police records also show that Savvas Savopoulos was working hard last week getting the Chantilly project ready for a Friday opening. The Chantilly property was closed Saturday and there were no obvious signs of a martial arts studio inside, but a business owner who works nearby said he has seen activity at the building in recent weeks."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people seem so confused about not letting the first housekeeper call her husband herself. Presumably, she normally speaks to her husband in Spanish, and he would think it very odd if she spoke to him in English. If the murderers don't know Spanish, they wouldn't be able to know if she is saying "I won't be home tonight because I need to stay over" or "there are some men here in the house threatening us so please summon the police".

Agreed, the perpetrators were probably concerned that they could not control her message as readily as they could control his. Or else they had her tied up, or otherwise incapacitated.

But I wonder why the first housekeeper's husband didn't call the police when his wife never came home. Housekeeper 2 says she gets the weird vm from the father that housekeeper #1 is spending the night but her phone battery is dead and doesn't have a charger so can #2 call #1s husband to tell him, which is so bizarre in so many ways. #2 says she didn't get the vm until Thursday morning , that #1 never spends the night and she thought that was super strange.

So where was #1s husband if his wife didn't come home and never spends the night at work. IN NO WAY am I implying the housekeepers husband was involved, NO WAY, but if my husband didn't come home from work and I had no contact from him I would be worried (think wife of DC lawyer who was found stabbed in the hotel, remember she called the police after her husband didn't come home).

I thought the Post reported that the husband of the first housekeeper went to the house Thursday morning to check on her, but got no answer when he rang the bell. At which point maybe he assumed they'd gone out or something. I don't have a housekeeper so I don't know what her duties would entail -- maybe she does the shopping or goes out for cleaning supplies or something. Also, he may not have wanted to contact the police for whatever reason, unless there were a clear reason to do so. Being told his wife was staying the night was unusual but perhaps not alarming. If my husband called and told me he was staying overnight at work I would be very surprised, but my mind would not jump immediately to "hostage." I would not expect to receive a call from my husband's co-worker or boss because I don't know them, but apparently the two housekeepers were reasonably close, so it's not so unusual that they would communicate outside of work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"The police records also show that Savvas Savopoulos was working hard last week getting the Chantilly project ready for a Friday opening. The Chantilly property was closed Saturday and there were no obvious signs of a martial arts studio inside, but a business owner who works nearby said he has seen activity at the building in recent weeks."

Doesn't it just take a wood floor, some pictures and a bunch of kids running around in gis? It's like a studio need a lot of fixtures and outfitting.