Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you have no qualms about killing 4 people, why bother calling the other housekeeper ?

I thought the same thing. Would they really go to such lengths to protect surviving housekeeper? She claims she got several messages. Also, she is now saying he sounded like he was trying to send her a message when he said the wife was sick (because he had told her earlier in the day his wife was going out that night). If he was sending a message wouldn't he have called her by the wrong name-a couple of times. That would have gotten her attention. Did he really have the presence of mind to remember he had told her earlier his wife was going out and saying she was sick would be a clue? Maybe he wasn't trying to send a clue though. Maybe he was hoping he could appease the intruders and just forgot what he told her earlier? But if he wasn't sending a clue, why not??? So anyway, the maid's story has bothered me from minute one.

My guess is that the perpetrators were paranoid about the other maid coming to the house and discover what was going on. For whatever reason they needed lots of time in the house and if someone with a key (I assume the other housekeeper has a key) just comes in, then they are discovered.

[Anonymous]

Funny thing, there are white buckets like the guy in the video seems to be carrying in the church yard.

Ah, then maybe he grabbed it after the fact to blend in and look like he is working at the church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have no qualms about killing 4 people, why bother calling the other housekeeper ?

I thought the same thing. Would they really go to such lengths to protect surviving housekeeper? She claims she got several messages. Also, she is now saying he sounded like he was trying to send her a message when he said the wife was sick (because he had told her earlier in the day his wife was going out that night). If he was sending a message wouldn't he have called her by the wrong name-a couple of times. That would have gotten her attention. Did he really have the presence of mind to remember he had told her earlier his wife was going out and saying she was sick would be a clue? Maybe he wasn't trying to send a clue though. Maybe he was hoping he could appease the intruders and just forgot what he told her earlier? But if he wasn't sending a clue, why not??? So anyway, the maid's story has bothered me from minute one.

My guess is that the perpetrators were paranoid about the other maid coming to the house and discover what was going on. For whatever reason they needed lots of time in the house and if someone with a key (I assume the other housekeeper has a key) just comes in, then they are discovered.

But why wouldn't they just figure on killing her when she showed up? Clearly killing doesn't bother them. Anyone who could kill a 10 year old should have no problem killing a (third) grown woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have no qualms about killing 4 people, why bother calling the other housekeeper ?

I thought the same thing. Would they really go to such lengths to protect surviving housekeeper? She claims she got several messages. Also, she is now saying he sounded like he was trying to send her a message when he said the wife was sick (because he had told her earlier in the day his wife was going out that night). If he was sending a message wouldn't he have called her by the wrong name-a couple of times. That would have gotten her attention. Did he really have the presence of mind to remember he had told her earlier his wife was going out and saying she was sick would be a clue? Maybe he wasn't trying to send a clue though. Maybe he was hoping he could appease the intruders and just forgot what he told her earlier? But if he wasn't sending a clue, why not??? So anyway, the maid's story has bothered me from minute one.

My guess is that the perpetrators were paranoid about the other maid coming to the house and discover what was going on. For whatever reason they needed lots of time in the house and if someone with a key (I assume the other housekeeper has a key) just comes in, then they are discovered.

I agree. Except they never made him call the lawn company to keep them away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming the family was being held hostage Wednesday night, the intruder(s) must have gotten there before the maid normally leaves and then waited for the father to come home. Why? If they needed the dad why not just come at three a.m. when you know he is home? And if they didn't need the dad, why hang out that long? They may have been there up to twenty-four hours.
It can't be random and have the car end up near the business. It wasn't art thieves. They don't stick around to murder their victims. I strongly suspect he/they needed the father to do something and used his family for incentive. Maybe they didn't come in the middle of the night because they didn't want to set off alarms. It had to be more than one person. And WHAT could that possibly be carrying? The whole point of torching everything was to destroy all the evidence. Then he walks away holding something?
FWIW though, I am against the 1984-ing of society. Too much potential for misuse and any perceived benefits are vastly outweighed by that. The family could have (and may have) had cameras in the home. We don't need every move in public recorded.

This theory is thought provoking. That is the million dollar question. Why did they stay at the home for so long? Several people have posited
that the thieves were waiting for the husband or the bank to open, they had to take everyone hostage and wait to get some bigger prize. I am curious what that will turn out to be?

We know the police aren't releasing all information. They might have asked certain individuals not to go public with their stories.
I'm just guessing.

If the murderers had forced the family to go to the bank, etc. on Thursday, don't you think someone from the bank would have come forward in the press, like the how the second housekeeper has. I know these scenarios play out in the movies, but I don't see how it could have happened IRL with this and no one has released any info by now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny thing, there are white buckets like the guy in the video seems to be carrying in the church yard.

Ah, then maybe he grabbed it after the fact to blend in and look like he is working at the church.

It's hard to blend when you're running that fast.

[Anonymous]

Maybe it was just that personal. They wanted the guy and his family. Maid number one in wrong place at wrong time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have no qualms about killing 4 people, why bother calling the other housekeeper ?

I thought the same thing. Would they really go to such lengths to protect surviving housekeeper? She claims she got several messages. Also, she is now saying he sounded like he was trying to send her a message when he said the wife was sick (because he had told her earlier in the day his wife was going out that night). If he was sending a message wouldn't he have called her by the wrong name-a couple of times. That would have gotten her attention. Did he really have the presence of mind to remember he had told her earlier his wife was going out and saying she was sick would be a clue? Maybe he wasn't trying to send a clue though. Maybe he was hoping he could appease the intruders and just forgot what he told her earlier? But if he wasn't sending a clue, why not??? So anyway, the maid's story has bothered me from minute one.

My guess is that the perpetrators were paranoid about the other maid coming to the house and discover what was going on. For whatever reason they needed lots of time in the house and if someone with a key (I assume the other housekeeper has a key) just comes in, then they are discovered.

But why wouldn't they just figure on killing her when she showed up? Clearly killing doesn't bother them. Anyone who could kill a 10 year old should have no problem killing a (third) grown woman.

If she was already dead, the housekeeper posed no risk of escape. Another adult entering the house raises the risk, especially if there was already blood or signs of a struggle near the door she entered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have no qualms about killing 4 people, why bother calling the other housekeeper ?

I thought the same thing. Would they really go to such lengths to protect surviving housekeeper? She claims she got several messages. Also, she is now saying he sounded like he was trying to send her a message when he said the wife was sick (because he had told her earlier in the day his wife was going out that night). If he was sending a message wouldn't he have called her by the wrong name-a couple of times. That would have gotten her attention. Did he really have the presence of mind to remember he had told her earlier his wife was going out and saying she was sick would be a clue? Maybe he wasn't trying to send a clue though. Maybe he was hoping he could appease the intruders and just forgot what he told her earlier? But if he wasn't sending a clue, why not??? So anyway, the maid's story has bothered me from minute one.

My guess is that the perpetrators were paranoid about the other maid coming to the house and discover what was going on. For whatever reason they needed lots of time in the house and if someone with a key (I assume the other housekeeper has a key) just comes in, then they are discovered.

I agree. Except they never made him call the lawn company to keep them away.

The lawn company served a purpose. It masked the noise. Still, that is curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have no qualms about killing 4 people, why bother calling the other housekeeper ?

I thought the same thing. Would they really go to such lengths to protect surviving housekeeper? She claims she got several messages. Also, she is now saying he sounded like he was trying to send her a message when he said the wife was sick (because he had told her earlier in the day his wife was going out that night). If he was sending a message wouldn't he have called her by the wrong name-a couple of times. That would have gotten her attention. Did he really have the presence of mind to remember he had told her earlier his wife was going out and saying she was sick would be a clue? Maybe he wasn't trying to send a clue though. Maybe he was hoping he could appease the intruders and just forgot what he told her earlier? But if he wasn't sending a clue, why not??? So anyway, the maid's story has bothered me from minute one.

My guess is that the perpetrators were paranoid about the other maid coming to the house and discover what was going on. For whatever reason they needed lots of time in the house and if someone with a key (I assume the other housekeeper has a key) just comes in, then they are discovered.

I agree. Except they never made him call the lawn company to keep them away.

The lawn company served a purpose. It masked the noise. Still, that is curious.

Maybe they didn't know re the lawn company. I have a regular service, but sometimes they just show up to mow, weed, mulch, etc. without calling ahead. Maybe they did call ahead, got no answer, left a vm, still came. IMO the lawn company coming is a coincidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why the car movements (at least out of Upper NW) cannot be tracked. There are so many traffic cameras all over...to get to the Beltway you need to go out River Road, Chain Bridge or through the city.

I don't understand why this car's movements cannot be tracked.

Totally. Except it was presumably driven from Woodley Park to Hyattsville. So, PGC and MoCo have tons of speed cameras too (Hyattsville is in PGC but not that far from MoCo). Or maybe the police have photos of this, but they cannot see who is driving.

[Anonymous]

Didn't the father's sister say she spoke to him Thursday ? Was it before the call/text to the housekeeper or after ? I wonder if he mentioned to anyone else his wife was feeling sick.

Why not just let the in house housekeeper use your phone if hers wasn't charged ? If one or the other didn't speak English as was noted in one article, could that housekeeper read English ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have no qualms about killing 4 people, why bother calling the other housekeeper ?

I thought the same thing. Would they really go to such lengths to protect surviving housekeeper? She claims she got several messages. Also, she is now saying he sounded like he was trying to send her a message when he said the wife was sick (because he had told her earlier in the day his wife was going out that night). If he was sending a message wouldn't he have called her by the wrong name-a couple of times. That would have gotten her attention. Did he really have the presence of mind to remember he had told her earlier his wife was going out and saying she was sick would be a clue? Maybe he wasn't trying to send a clue though. Maybe he was hoping he could appease the intruders and just forgot what he told her earlier? But if he wasn't sending a clue, why not??? So anyway, the maid's story has bothered me from minute one.

My guess is that the perpetrators were paranoid about the other maid coming to the house and discover what was going on. For whatever reason they needed lots of time in the house and if someone with a key (I assume the other housekeeper has a key) just comes in, then they are discovered.

I agree. Except they never made him call the lawn company to keep them away.

The lawn company served a purpose. It masked the noise. Still, that is curious.

Maybe they didn't know re the lawn company. I have a regular service, but sometimes they just show up to mow, weed, mulch, etc. without calling ahead. Maybe they did call ahead, got no answer, left a vm, still came. IMO the lawn company coming is a coincidence.

The housekeeper would be entering the home and the lawn company would remain outside and never notice what was going on inside. There is no reason to cancel the lawn service but the housekeeper needing to enter the house is different.

[Anonymous]

If Savvas was attempting to send out a veiled message of distress to his housekeeper Gutierrez, with the several voicemail messages and text she supposedly received from the family, you wonder why he didn't also reach out to a family member.

Perhaps call or text his sister, who he knows lives in Florida, and refer to her repeatedly by another name, not her own, as he asks her not to come over to the house tomorrow as planned. I know, though, that it is difficult to think of options when your family's life is threatened.

That could suggest that the perpetrators knew the family and their routine well enough to consider Gutierrez the only threat to the their plans, based on her schedule.

Or it could suggest that this family cared so much about their housekeeper, that even under great duress, they sought to prevent her from becoming part of the calamity.

[Anonymous]

Do speed and traffic cameras film continuously, or are they triggered only when someone is speeding/running a red light?