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Anonymous
When I took martial arts as a kid, it was a wood floor, a wall of mirrors, two small dressing rooms, a flag, and a couple things on the wall. It does seem like it shouldn't take that long to put up. But this was in the 80s. Maybe it's more sophisticated now. |
Anonymous
You are confused. I believe that Gutierrez reported that she allegedly received two voicemail messages from Savvas on Wednesday evening. In the first Wednesday evening message or conversation, Savvas "tensely" asks Gutierrez (she and Figueroa are good friends) to please call Figueroa's husband to inform him that Figueroa will be staying with the Savopoulos family at their home that evening. Savvas informs Gutierrez that Figueroa cannot call her family herself because she forgot to bring the charger for her cellphone, which is now dead. Gutierrez appears to have picked up that message or call on Wednesday evening, and there is no reason to believe that she did not convey the message to Figueroa's husband. Whoever made Savvas leave that first message was trying to buy themselves an additional 12-16 hours free from scrutiny. Without that call, Figueroa's husband might have come by the Savopoulos's house that evening and called the police upon receiving no answer. Or he might have been drawn into the calamity. With that phone call, Figueroa's husband might have been concerned, but not overly worried when he could not reach his wife that night. It was only the next morning that he became concerned enough to come looking for her at the house. Or else the message is part of a constructed alibi for someone. In the second Wednesday evening message, Savvas informs Gutierrez that his wife has been sick in bed all day. That message was not picked up by Gutierrez until the following morning, in about the same timeframe that she allegedly receives a text from Mrs. Savopoulos's cellphone asking her not to come by that morning for her regular cleaning duties because the entire family is sick. She supposedly called the family to see what was wrong, but no one answered her call. Again, whoever made Savvas leave that second message was trying to buy themselves 12-16 hours free from scrutiny, if and when no one could reach the mother Amy. Or, as mentioned before, the message is part of a complicated alibi construct. |
Anonymous
| ^^^ couple of things. I never read that she received the first message. But if that is true, then why did the husband come by the next morning? And if he came by because he was concerned, how did having no one answer the door where his wife is suppose to be working alleviate his concern? Also, why would husband leave two messages? That is strange. I don't get the concern over the maid (in this context, of course). I don't know. Her whole story has sounded strange from the beginning to me. And why wouldn't he send a better distress signal? Would have been easy to give her some verifiably wrong obvious fact that she would have instantly picked up on. And he apparently got to call her a couple of times. I think there is some monkey business with his business going on. |
Anonymous
| Maybe Maid G was in on it with whoever else did it? |
Anonymous
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"Whoever made Savvas leave that first message was trying to buy themselves an additional 12-16 hours free from scrutiny".
And this makes me think it wasn't just your run-of-the-mill home invasion/robbery. If you want to rob someone, you don't want to hang out at their house for half a day; even if the bank is closed and you're waiting for it to open in order to make your victim make a withdrawal. If you're after the money, you grab as much as you can (and there were some valuables, obviously, at the residence) and you take off. Missing money might be an attempt to make the case look like a robbery gone wrong. |
Anonymous
It is curious, perhaps, that the longtime housekeeper Gutierrez was the only person (or at least the only person to come forward publicly) who was contacted from Savvas's phone and Amy's phone more than once during the relevant timeframe, to essentially convey messages designed to keep her and others (like Figueroa's husband) away from the house. It might be simply because she was the only person who was absolutely, positively expected to be at the house the next day; and therefore the only one that the perpetrator needed to make absolutely certain would stay away. In re-reading the article, I admit, it is unclear whether the message Gutierrez picked up on Thursday morning was the one about Figueroa staying over, or about Amy being sick, or simply one message about both. The article says only that Gutierrez received a series of voicemails and/or text from Savvas's and Amy's phones. I assumed that those were two separate messages, one picked up on Wednesday evening and the other two (about the wife, and then everyone else, being sick) on Thursday morning. If there are some discrepancies, the police will certainly pick up on them, and those are the type of things to trip people up. As for why Figueroa's husband left after not receiving an answer at the Savoloupos's in the morning? That seems more clear. He is on his way to work himself, and he briefly and hurriedly stops by the house of his wife's longtime, trusted employer. Nothing seems amiss, he knows that his wife's phone is dead, and he assumes that - because it is morning - Savvas is already off to work, Amy is taking her son to school or has gone on a morning walk, and his beloved wife Figueroa is off running errands for the family. In that case, when there are perfectly plausible explanations as to why everyone in the house might be away in the morning, it would be embarrassing to call the police and create a drama for your wife's longtime employer just because you cannot readily locate or reach her. |
Anonymous
Maybe there's monkey business, maybe not... but in the non-monkey business scenario, if I were being held hostage with my spouse and child and being threatened with violence, making a phone call/sending a text with a knife to my throat or gun to my head or my child's head, I might not be thinking clearly enough to send a distress message that would be perfectly obvious to the recipient but would also seem perfectly normal to the guy with the gun. "Easy" my ass. |
Anonymous
Whatever. Call her by a different name? Call the other housekeeper by a different name? If he was a captive it was obviously stressful. But businessmen at his level know how to handle highly stressful situations. I don't care that you don't think it would be "easy". He already managed to remember she was scheduled to come the next day and dial her number and perform other tasks.... That is my opinion based on the strange and incomplete facts. |
Anonymous
Same here. |
Anonymous
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Just found this out
http://www.universityclubdc.com/default.aspx?p=ViewEventFlyer&ssid=94272&eventid=1734177 So now I have this question. If you are instructor level in the Martial Arts, why would a perp not take YOU out FIRST ? You are his major threat, being a man plus being trained to fight. Why beat and stab the weaker ones ? We only know how the mother, son, housekeeper died, not how he died. All were found on the second story. Were they attacked as they slept ? I wonder what they were wearing when found. |
Anonymous
Last I checked Martial Arts can't really beat a gun. It was also released in the press that he had blunt force trauma to the head. The mother did not. |
Anonymous
Please post where you found this information |
Anonymous
Is there some indication that the perps had a gun? |
Anonymous
| Why is the ceo of a successful business opening a martial arts studio in chantilly? |
Anonymous
I have been following this thread but perhaps I missed a page or two- I remember reading 3 out of 4 had injuries. So the only person who didn't was the father? That little boy was hit then? |