Coalition4TJ’s request to block TJ admissions process DENIED 6-3 by Supreme Court

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It is ironic that the Asian posters have trouble with math.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

And yet the biggest proponents of the TJ admissions reform were people like Sujatha Hampton, an Asian-American woman married to a Black man, along with Ricardy Anderson and Karen Keys Gamarra, two Black women on the School Board.

White families in FCPS mostly stopped caring about TJHSST a long time ago. To the extent some got involved with the admissions reforms, it wasn't because they wanted their kids at TJ; it was because they felt a sense of guilt towards Black people following the George Floyd killing. They understand their kids have societal advantages that will serve them well in life regardless of whether their kids go to TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

Hopefully your kids inherited your spouse’s aptitude for math/critical thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

interesting

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

http://www.fcag.org/TJHSSTClassof2025AdmissionsPressRelease.pdf

In a nutshell the report paints a very diff picture than what the previous poster claimed.

• Female students increased from 41.80% (2020-21) to 46.00%.
• Black students increased from 1.23% (2020-21) to 7.09%.
• Hispanic students increased from 3.29% (2020-21) to 11.27%.
• White students increased from 17.70% (2020-21) to 22.36%.
• Asian students continue to constitute a majority of the class at 54.36%.

interesting

Everyone increased but for Asian students who were purged.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

Hopefully your kids inherited your spouse’s aptitude for math/critical thinking.

Weak response. You know I am right.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

And yet the biggest proponents of the TJ admissions reform were people like Sujatha Hampton, an Asian-American woman married to a Black man, along with Ricardy Anderson and Karen Keys Gamarra, two Black women on the School Board.

White families in FCPS mostly stopped caring about TJHSST a long time ago. To the extent some got involved with the admissions reforms, it wasn't because they wanted their kids at TJ; it was because they felt a sense of guilt towards Black people following the George Floyd killing. They understand their kids have societal advantages that will serve them well in life regardless of whether their kids go to TJ.

The I have some black friends argument

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

And yet the biggest proponents of the TJ admissions reform were people like Sujatha Hampton, an Asian-American woman married to a Black man, along with Ricardy Anderson and Karen Keys Gamarra, two Black women on the School Board.

White families in FCPS mostly stopped caring about TJHSST a long time ago. To the extent some got involved with the admissions reforms, it wasn't because they wanted their kids at TJ; it was because they felt a sense of guilt towards Black people following the George Floyd killing. They understand their kids have societal advantages that will serve them well in life regardless of whether their kids go to TJ.

Such nobility. We won't solve the core issues. But let's target some uppity Asians while we assuage our guilt.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

And yet the biggest proponents of the TJ admissions reform were people like Sujatha Hampton, an Asian-American woman married to a Black man, along with Ricardy Anderson and Karen Keys Gamarra, two Black women on the School Board.

White families in FCPS mostly stopped caring about TJHSST a long time ago. To the extent some got involved with the admissions reforms, it wasn't because they wanted their kids at TJ; it was because they felt a sense of guilt towards Black people following the George Floyd killing. They understand their kids have societal advantages that will serve them well in life regardless of whether their kids go to TJ.

The I have some black friends argument

Maybe so, but either way it's not because they are itching for their own kids to attend TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

And yet the biggest proponents of the TJ admissions reform were people like Sujatha Hampton, an Asian-American woman married to a Black man, along with Ricardy Anderson and Karen Keys Gamarra, two Black women on the School Board.

White families in FCPS mostly stopped caring about TJHSST a long time ago. To the extent some got involved with the admissions reforms, it wasn't because they wanted their kids at TJ; it was because they felt a sense of guilt towards Black people following the George Floyd killing. They understand their kids have societal advantages that will serve them well in life regardless of whether their kids go to TJ.

Divide and rule has worked well for you. Pit blacks against Asians. Of course you don't care because your kids can't make it despite all the advantages. So now you don't care but care enough to target the Asians while making yourselves feel better. Have to admire the sheer genius.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

And yet the biggest proponents of the TJ admissions reform were people like Sujatha Hampton, an Asian-American woman married to a Black man, along with Ricardy Anderson and Karen Keys Gamarra, two Black women on the School Board.

White families in FCPS mostly stopped caring about TJHSST a long time ago. To the extent some got involved with the admissions reforms, it wasn't because they wanted their kids at TJ; it was because they felt a sense of guilt towards Black people following the George Floyd killing. They understand their kids have societal advantages that will serve them well in life regardless of whether their kids go to TJ.

The I have some black friends argument

Maybe so, but either way it's not because they are itching for their own kids to attend TJ.

Seems like the point you are making is that white people are highly noble and care about TJ although they don't care about TJ . They want to make it all good with Blacks by reducing some Asians. And Asian people bad and don't understand all the good things they have been bestowed and just let the wise white man kick them.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

Have a test and add experience factors instead of removing the test altogether. Removing test altogether only helps white kids.

26% is how many more white kids got in without test.

prep classes or not, if there is a test asian kids will do well. which is why you guys removed the test. it is obvious and as per the remarks found in discovery. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. that's what is the most galling thing. not blacks and hispanics getting more seats. all power to them.

Can you provide a citation for those numbers? What I read indicates your numbers are wrong. Black and Hispanic kids went up 2X-3X while Asian students went down a little but that was because they had made up 75% of all seats previously.

The data is available. Use a calculator. Asian kids went down 26% white kids went up 26%. the numbers are right however much you try to tirture them. As I said all power to black and hispanic kids. but the white parents just removed the test so that their delicate kids could get a leg up. shame.

So by your tortured interpretation of these numbers, Black population increased by 576% and Hispanic population increased by 343%. Sort of dwarfs that 26% number anyways.

The biggest lie that has been perpetuated by the Coalition grifters (who, by the way, have landed cushy jobs on the backs of YOUR manufactured grievance) is that white families were the biggest beneficiaries of admissions changes, when in fact the biggest beneficiaries have been low-income ASIAN families, whose population increased by over 600%!

So my numbers were right. The fact is Asians were targeted with a divide and rule campaign because white families can't compete.

Hopefully your kids inherited your spouse’s aptitude for math/critical thinking.

Weak response. You know I am right.

I know that only half of eligible white kids even bother to apply. So your narrative is fiction.

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After reading this forum for weeks I think TJ probably needs to go away. I hope that colleges take notice of how much division this one school has caused in the larger community.