2022 Olympics

[Anonymous]

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PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

Sorry, no, doesn't hold water.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

And its not just one country having this group of generationally talented girls, most of them come from one club in particular.

I guess you haven't followed skating long enough to remember a glorious run of Russian pairs. Or, much more recently, a glorious run of Japanese women, where it seemed they grasped every medal. Or (an older) tradition of American single women skaters with Olympic gold medals. Or a season of Chinese pairs. These things are cyclical.

DP. Not like this. Not this sudden huge leap forward from one coach, one club, from teenagers, in a country that was proven to be systematically illegally doping. You have to be willfully blind to not be suspicious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

And its not just one country having this group of generationally talented girls, most of them come from one club in particular.

I guess you haven't followed skating long enough to remember a glorious run of Russian pairs. Or, much more recently, a glorious run of Japanese women, where it seemed they grasped every medal. Or (an older) tradition of American single women skaters with Olympic gold medals. Or a season of Chinese pairs. These things are cyclical.

DP. Not like this. Not this sudden huge leap forward from one coach, one club, from teenagers, in a country that was proven to be systematically illegally doping. You have to be willfully blind to not be suspicious.

Why is it suspicious now and not when Moscow and St. Peterburg's school pairs hogged the podium?

[Anonymous]

I had to google what a wolf turn is and now I remember those from the summer olympics. Definitely super ugly!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

Sorry, no, doesn't hold water.

The Russian troll has found the thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

Sorry, no, doesn't hold water.

+1 - that's bull. The result was very clearly withheld to put her/Russia in the exact situation it is in now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

Sorry, no, doesn't hold water.

+1 - that's bull. The result was very clearly withheld to put her/Russia in the exact situation it is in now.

Do you mean they withheld the results so that the entire world would be aware tha the Russian athletes continue to cheat? Maybe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

Sorry, no, doesn't hold water.

+1 - that's bull. The result was very clearly withheld to put her/Russia in the exact situation it is in now.

Do you mean they withheld the results so that the entire world would be aware tha the Russian athletes continue to cheat? Maybe.

Do you have a theory as to why it took a Swedish lab until Feb 8 to process a sample submitted on Dec 25? You have to agree the timing stinks. To get the results AFTER she skates but BEFORE the medal ceremony?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

Sorry, no, doesn't hold water.

+1 - that's bull. The result was very clearly withheld to put her/Russia in the exact situation it is in now.

Do you mean they withheld the results so that the entire world would be aware tha the Russian athletes continue to cheat? Maybe.

Well....Russian ladies were favored to sweep the podium, an unprecedented result. It's not out of the question someone would hate this idea.

As to doping, anyone in elite sports will tell you they get lots and lots of pharmaceutical support bc their bodies are pushed to inhuman limits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

Sorry, no, doesn't hold water.

+1 - that's bull. The result was very clearly withheld to put her/Russia in the exact situation it is in now.

I'm more interesting in the child abuse and cheating angles than painting Russia as a victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

And its not just one country having this group of generationally talented girls, most of them come from one club in particular.

I guess you haven't followed skating long enough to remember a glorious run of Russian pairs. Or, much more recently, a glorious run of Japanese women, where it seemed they grasped every medal. Or (an older) tradition of American single women skaters with Olympic gold medals. Or a season of Chinese pairs. These things are cyclical.

DP. Not like this. Not this sudden huge leap forward from one coach, one club, from teenagers, in a country that was proven to be systematically illegally doping. You have to be willfully blind to not be suspicious.

Why is it suspicious now and not when Moscow and St. Peterburg's school pairs hogged the podium?

Well sure who knows, maybe they were doing it too, but the soviets/Russians have long been dominant in pairs. The strength in their ladies program has been a pretty recent development. There’s no doubt the trio in Beijing is extremely talented, but their superior endurance/consistency (from training up to 12hrs a day, reportedly) is suspicious. And if they are giving performance enhancing substances to their top skater, I find it hard to believe they’re not giving it to the others as well. When there’s a mouse, there’s mice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

And its not just one country having this group of generationally talented girls, most of them come from one club in particular.

I guess you haven't followed skating long enough to remember a glorious run of Russian pairs. Or, much more recently, a glorious run of Japanese women, where it seemed they grasped every medal. Or (an older) tradition of American single women skaters with Olympic gold medals. Or a season of Chinese pairs. These things are cyclical.

DP. Not like this. Not this sudden huge leap forward from one coach, one club, from teenagers, in a country that was proven to be systematically illegally doping. You have to be willfully blind to not be suspicious.

Why is it suspicious now and not when Moscow and St. Peterburg's school pairs hogged the podium?

Well sure who knows, maybe they were doing it too, but the soviets/Russians have long been dominant in pairs. The strength in their ladies program has been a pretty recent development. There’s no doubt the trio in Beijing is extremely talented, but their superior endurance/consistency (from training up to 12hrs a day, reportedly) is suspicious. And if they are giving performance enhancing substances to their top skater, I find it hard to believe they’re not giving it to the others as well. When there’s a mouse, there’s mice.

The country has been caught systematically doping. The fact that some of their athletes are testing clean now just means they've gotten better at hiding it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

Sorry, no, doesn't hold water.

+1 - that's bull. The result was very clearly withheld to put her/Russia in the exact situation it is in now.

NP. My first thought was that Russian officials were covering it up but someone from the inside leaked it because they don't like the harm it's causing to the Russian athletes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences. If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test. Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen). Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

Right now only the RUSADA is investigating her coaching staff, which is meaningless. The IOC press briefing mentioned that they would be looking at her entourage, but I also get the sense that they rather stay out of it. Maybe the US will prosecute her coaching staff, but they may drop it if they get their gold team medal.

I don't suppose anyone is interested in why the lab took from Dec 25 to Feb 8 to report the results of the test? Like, right after the skate but before the medal ceremony? That's hell of a coincidence. And it really doesn't take THAT long to test a pee jar.

There was a backlog due to a COVID outbreak, and figure skaters aren't high priority for testing. I think the only reason they ran it when they did was because she had just medaled, and needed to be cleared.

Sorry, no, doesn't hold water.

+1 - that's bull. The result was very clearly withheld to put her/Russia in the exact situation it is in now.

Do you mean they withheld the results so that the entire world would be aware tha the Russian athletes continue to cheat? Maybe.

Do you have a theory as to why it took a Swedish lab until Feb 8 to process a sample submitted on Dec 25? You have to agree the timing stinks. To get the results AFTER she skates but BEFORE the medal ceremony?

You could name a few countries that have something at stake here, but Sweden isn’t one of them.