Valor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Practicing year round is standard at all the clubs my kids have played at. Boy you really swallowed their marketing line hook and sinker.

Absolutely, it’s good marketing. Not all clubs in the area promise 2 practices per week during winter. Winter training for travel players varies club to club or coach to coach in NOVA. At some clubs you have to pay extra for winter training or their winter program is vague and irregular. At least I have a legitimate complaint with the club if they do not follow through as advertised.

Outdoor winter training is absolutely standard at most local clubs. Has anyone ever paid extra locally for outdoor, winter practices?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Read the tournament rules. Most tournaments only allow up to 5 guest players on 11 v 11. So guest players are not the “many” you claim. Valor plays within the rules. Also, Valor teams do mainly use guest players to help field a short-handed team so that they have enough subs for rest and injuries. These guest players and their parents VOLUNTEER their time to help lower level teams. Getting minutes is an incentive and normal for VOLUNTEERS. Why would a guest player and their parents travel 1–2 hours to sit on the bench for a tournament?

Again if you have a problem with your opponent’s roster, your team can challenge it with the referee before the game.

Valor had 8-9 ECNL RL players in their Black division 7 team at the Williamsburg Columbus Day Invitational tournament and they played in the lowest bracket. The ref and the tournament organizer didn't care.

NCSL allows 5 guest players as long as they're not from a higher division, read the rules.

[Anonymous]

The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Read the tournament rules. Most tournaments only allow up to 5 guest players on 11 v 11. So guest players are not the “many” you claim. Valor plays within the rules. Also, Valor teams do mainly use guest players to help field a short-handed team so that they have enough subs for rest and injuries. These guest players and their parents VOLUNTEER their time to help lower level teams. Getting minutes is an incentive and normal for VOLUNTEERS. Why would a guest player and their parents travel 1–2 hours to sit on the bench for a tournament?

Again if you have a problem with your opponent’s roster, your team can challenge it with the referee before the game.

Valor had 8-9 ECNL RL players in their Black division 7 team at the Williamsburg Columbus Day Invitational tournament and they played in the lowest bracket. The ref and the tournament organizer didn't care.

NCSL allows 5 guest players as long as they're not from a higher division, read the rules.

NCSL league rules have nothing to do with Williamsburg tournament rules, what are you nattering on about?

Tournaments allow guest players. However, reputable clubs do not play down kids from their top team to their 3rd or 4th or 5th team in tournaments. Its just so embarrassing for everyone involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

No thanks. I have integrity. You do you, though, Valor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

yes it's gross and remember, there is a fee to enter the tournament, so you're paying for VALOR cheating and stealing the cup

[Anonymous]

Somebody’s big mad that they lost to Valor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

yes it's gross and remember, there is a fee to enter the tournament, so you're paying for VALOR cheating and stealing the cup

Ya'll need to get a life. As long as the tournament rules aren't broken no one should be complaining. The brackets are completely subjective and the coach/manager submits their application based on where they think they fit. The tournament organizers can move a team up/down as they deem appropriate. They allow a handful of guest player spots so it's not unlimited. WTF is the big deal.

[Anonymous]

How many RL players did they bring to this basically rec tournament in Williamsburg to guest play with the Valor lowest level NCSL team?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many RL players did they bring to this basically rec tournament in Williamsburg to guest play with the Valor lowest level NCSL team?

If you are playing at the Williamsburg tournament you shouldn't be this upset. It's a small tournament that should be fun and if you loose to a better opponent, so be it. If you lost during ECNL playoffs or state cup because the other team had older kids playing or something I could understand. But this is just BS. Valor is a lot of things, but they aren't cheaters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many RL players did they bring to this basically rec tournament in Williamsburg to guest play with the Valor lowest level NCSL team?

they had 8

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many RL players did they bring to this basically rec tournament in Williamsburg to guest play with the Valor lowest level NCSL team?

If you are playing at the Williamsburg tournament you shouldn't be this upset. It's a small tournament that should be fun and if you loose to a better opponent, so be it. If you lost during ECNL playoffs or state cup because the other team had older kids playing or something I could understand. But this is just BS. Valor is a lot of things, but they aren't cheaters.

Bringing your ECNL RL team to the lowest bracket of a local tournament is cheating dude, Steve Lovgren said he put Valor Black at the bottom according to their previous season performance which was in Division 7, the rule is 5 guest players, they had 7 on the field

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many RL players did they bring to this basically rec tournament in Williamsburg to guest play with the Valor lowest level NCSL team?

they had 8

Good lord, that's an entire team almost. How many of their own 3rd team players were riding the bench? That's crazy.