Valor

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, they pull this nonsense all the time. Just take a look at the standings in NCSL. It's a piece of cake. You'll notice teams that your club has defeated in the standings, while those same teams have trounced the so-called 'valor' team with 5-0 score-lines, and suddenly, valor is winning 5-1 against your team 4-0. I can assure you, if you dig up their ECNL-R or VPSL for their upper # 1 team schedules, you'll find they had the luxury of guest players because they conveniently didn't have any games that weekend. On brand. With that mind, Valor would be the bottom team. You see Valor always push the NSCL schedule out further so once the VPSL season games end for the fall or spring those Division 1 or regional players can piggy back on lower division NCSL games. Other teams do this occasionally, but Valor will send 3-4 guest players at a time. You mind as well change the whole roster or just send the number 1 team. It’s laughable.

I can attest to this being true. My kid used to play for a Valor top team and when their VPSL season ended, they were asked to play in the last few NCSL games for a lower team along with a couple other top team kids. It was fun and extra playing time for them. Funny you say Valor does this on purpose because I remember not understanding how the NCSL teams’ seasons seemed to end so much later.

It’s also true that top Valor team kids aren’t necessarily top somewhere else. Our kid is on a different top team now but middle of the pack as opposed to one of the top 3. It’s good for them because they have to work for playing time and they get pushed much harder in their training. The technical skill gap is obvious. Valor really fails at giving kids the proper foundation at the younger ages and it shows as they get older. They can have some short term success with athletic kids, but they don’t instill the importance of ball mastery that they will need later. The few Valor success stories are from true natural talent, not anything the Valor coaches did.

exactly valor is not a touch club. The coaches just try to win with mostly athletic kids with a few technical players. They don't work on core skills like first touch, soccer moves and turning. And by time kids hit 11-12 they are too far behind. Valor practices consist of passing drills followed by scrimmages and minimal skill touches

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Anonymous wrote:Valor teams sandbagging all for the purpose of championing a post for wins on social media. Complete garbage, but why is anyone surprised, three years later pushing the same mantra.

How do we know if some, most or all of this is exaggerating or just outright lying? Someone simply mad that they lost to valor lol
Admitted the tournament officials knew meaning no rules were broken
How do we know if guest playeers were playing a year up?

Just a bunch of angry sore losers making crap up because they lost to a club they love to bash

Just look at their social media and then cross reference the wins with who they played. If takes you five minutes to Google. Unfortunately very few will ask they see a bunch of trophies and sign up thinking it's a good club with real development

lol
Research a team that beat you. So low and petty sore loser

Go ahead five minute google man. Show us your evidence
Still never answered question - were they kids guest playing a year or 2 up? Did they actually break any rules? Or you just can’t accept losing to valor so you make up exaggerated stuff

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Valor teams sandbagging all for the purpose of championing a post for wins on social media. Complete garbage, but why is anyone surprised, three years later pushing the same mantra.

How do we know if some, most or all of this is exaggerating or just outright lying? Someone simply mad that they lost to valor lol
Admitted the tournament officials knew meaning no rules were broken
How do we know if guest playeers were playing a year up?

Just a bunch of angry sore losers making crap up because they lost to a club they love to bash

dude Valor posted it on Instagram 😂 are you Edgar Recinos ?

you've lost 4 games and tied 2 this season and have 21 goals against but magically destroy other teams 8 to 0 playing against stronger teams at a tournament right ?

The guy in charge of the Williamsburg Columbus Day Invitational said he put Valor Black 2012B at the bottom because they suck but they show up with 8 ECNL RL player so they can post trophies on Facebook and Instagram. He said it was AGAINST the rules but preferred sweeping it under the rug so families wouldn't ask for their money back (AND THE HOTEL MONEY)

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Who coaches the RL team for that age group? He would have been in on it.

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Are the RL players in the photo?

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Anonymous wrote:Who coaches the RL team for that age group? He would have been in on it.

I think coach Egar Recinos is coaching Valor Black and didn' t know the name of his own ECNL RL players he brought to the tournament , Chesapeake SC parents have photos of their jerseys with RL emblems, they should have all filed chargebacks with their credit cards against the travel agency

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Valor teams sandbagging all for the purpose of championing a post for wins on social media. Complete garbage, but why is anyone surprised, three years later pushing the same mantra.

How do we know if some, most or all of this is exaggerating or just outright lying? Someone simply mad that they lost to valor lol
Admitted the tournament officials knew meaning no rules were broken
How do we know if guest playeers were playing a year up?

Just a bunch of angry sore losers making crap up because they lost to a club they love to bash

Just look at their social media and then cross reference the wins with who they played. If takes you five minutes to Google. Unfortunately very few will ask they see a bunch of trophies and sign up thinking it's a good club with real development

lol
Research a team that beat you. So low and petty sore loser

Go ahead five minute google man. Show us your evidence
Still never answered question - were they kids guest playing a year or 2 up? Did they actually break any rules? Or you just can’t accept losing to valor so you make up exaggerated stuff

That hit a nerve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, they pull this nonsense all the time. Just take a look at the standings in NCSL. It's a piece of cake. You'll notice teams that your club has defeated in the standings, while those same teams have trounced the so-called 'valor' team with 5-0 score-lines, and suddenly, valor is winning 5-1 against your team 4-0. I can assure you, if you dig up their ECNL-R or VPSL for their upper # 1 team schedules, you'll find they had the luxury of guest players because they conveniently didn't have any games that weekend. On brand. With that mind, Valor would be the bottom team. You see Valor always push the NSCL schedule out further so once the VPSL season games end for the fall or spring those Division 1 or regional players can piggy back on lower division NCSL games. Other teams do this occasionally, but Valor will send 3-4 guest players at a time. You mind as well change the whole roster or just send the number 1 team. It’s laughable.

I can attest to this being true. My kid used to play for a Valor top team and when their VPSL season ended, they were asked to play in the last few NCSL games for a lower team along with a couple other top team kids. It was fun and extra playing time for them. Funny you say Valor does this on purpose because I remember not understanding how the NCSL teams’ seasons seemed to end so much later.

It’s also true that top Valor team kids aren’t necessarily top somewhere else. Our kid is on a different top team now but middle of the pack as opposed to one of the top 3. It’s good for them because they have to work for playing time and they get pushed much harder in their training. The technical skill gap is obvious. Valor really fails at giving kids the proper foundation at the younger ages and it shows as they get older. They can have some short term success with athletic kids, but they don’t instill the importance of ball mastery that they will need later. The few Valor success stories are from true natural talent, not anything the Valor coaches did.

exactly valor is not a touch club. The coaches just try to win with mostly athletic kids with a few technical players. They don't work on core skills like first touch, soccer moves and turning. And by time kids hit 11-12 they are too far behind. Valor practices consist of passing drills followed by scrimmages and minimal skill touches

Some of kids can’t even dribble a ball.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who coaches the RL team for that age group? He would have been in on it.

I think coach Egar Recinos is coaching Valor Black and didn' t know the name of his own ECNL RL players he brought to the tournament , Chesapeake SC parents have photos of their jerseys with RL emblems, they should have all filed chargebacks with their credit cards against the travel agency

What age group?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, they pull this nonsense all the time. Just take a look at the standings in NCSL. It's a piece of cake. You'll notice teams that your club has defeated in the standings, while those same teams have trounced the so-called 'valor' team with 5-0 score-lines, and suddenly, valor is winning 5-1 against your team 4-0. I can assure you, if you dig up their ECNL-R or VPSL for their upper # 1 team schedules, you'll find they had the luxury of guest players because they conveniently didn't have any games that weekend. On brand. With that mind, Valor would be the bottom team. You see Valor always push the NSCL schedule out further so once the VPSL season games end for the fall or spring those Division 1 or regional players can piggy back on lower division NCSL games. Other teams do this occasionally, but Valor will send 3-4 guest players at a time. You mind as well change the whole roster or just send the number 1 team. It’s laughable.

I can attest to this being true. My kid used to play for a Valor top team and when their VPSL season ended, they were asked to play in the last few NCSL games for a lower team along with a couple other top team kids. It was fun and extra playing time for them. Funny you say Valor does this on purpose because I remember not understanding how the NCSL teams’ seasons seemed to end so much later.

It’s also true that top Valor team kids aren’t necessarily top somewhere else. Our kid is on a different top team now but middle of the pack as opposed to one of the top 3. It’s good for them because they have to work for playing time and they get pushed much harder in their training. The technical skill gap is obvious. Valor really fails at giving kids the proper foundation at the younger ages and it shows as they get older. They can have some short term success with athletic kids, but they don’t instill the importance of ball mastery that they will need later. The few Valor success stories are from true natural talent, not anything the Valor coaches did.

For sure…

Now, if you take a good look at some of these VPSL teams, typically finishing in the 20-25 range and landing dead last in the standings, what does that really indicate? Some of the comments claiming otherwise are just plain disingenuous. I've had parents, whom I still know, approach me during a game and confess that they had a bunch of guest players. No one is angry; we're just calling it out and keeping it real. The Valor folks here are upset because, let's face it, call a spade is a spade. Overall, the true strength of a Valor team isn't worth the salt they think they are. Just keeping it 100.

[Anonymous]

Valor sends a ton of teams every year to that low level tournament. Thats likely the reason the tournament turned a blind eye to the cheating. $$$$ talks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Somebody’s big mad that they lost to Valor.

Oh sure, nothing like sneaking in a few guest players to magically turn your ‘meh’ team into a powerhouse—because obviously that totally shows how strong you really are. Real skill? Nah, just a little extra help from your roster’s ‘secret sauce.’”

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Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

yes it's gross and remember, there is a fee to enter the tournament, so you're paying for VALOR cheating and stealing the cup

Ya'll need to get a life. As long as the tournament rules aren't broken no one should be complaining. The brackets are completely subjective and the coach/manager submits their application based on where they think they fit. The tournament organizers can move a team up/down as they deem appropriate. They allow a handful of guest player spots so it's not unlimited. WTF is the big deal.

Wow, subjective. So a div 1 playing on the bottom flight perfectly ok? STFU.

Trophy hunters are the worst kind of coaches and parents.

all I got to say is your teams are terrible if they are losing to valor. Valors top players are generally still not as good as bottom player on other top teams.

Don't worry, we don't. Even their top teams crash out after u13 on both boys and girls sides

Where did the players from the 2013 boys top team end up? I assume most if not all left valor? That team was really good but seem to be struggling this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, they pull this nonsense all the time. Just take a look at the standings in NCSL. It's a piece of cake. You'll notice teams that your club has defeated in the standings, while those same teams have trounced the so-called 'valor' team with 5-0 score-lines, and suddenly, valor is winning 5-1 against your team 4-0. I can assure you, if you dig up their ECNL-R or VPSL for their upper # 1 team schedules, you'll find they had the luxury of guest players because they conveniently didn't have any games that weekend. On brand. With that mind, Valor would be the bottom team. You see Valor always push the NSCL schedule out further so once the VPSL season games end for the fall or spring those Division 1 or regional players can piggy back on lower division NCSL games. Other teams do this occasionally, but Valor will send 3-4 guest players at a time. You mind as well change the whole roster or just send the number 1 team. It’s laughable.

I can attest to this being true. My kid used to play for a Valor top team and when their VPSL season ended, they were asked to play in the last few NCSL games for a lower team along with a couple other top team kids. It was fun and extra playing time for them. Funny you say Valor does this on purpose because I remember not understanding how the NCSL teams’ seasons seemed to end so much later.

It’s also true that top Valor team kids aren’t necessarily top somewhere else. Our kid is on a different top team now but middle of the pack as opposed to one of the top 3. It’s good for them because they have to work for playing time and they get pushed much harder in their training. The technical skill gap is obvious. Valor really fails at giving kids the proper foundation at the younger ages and it shows as they get older. They can have some short term success with athletic kids, but they don’t instill the importance of ball mastery that they will need later. The few Valor success stories are from true natural talent, not anything the Valor coaches did.

For sure…

Now, if you take a good look at some of these VPSL teams, typically finishing in the 20-25 range and landing dead last in the standings, what does that really indicate? Some of the comments claiming otherwise are just plain disingenuous. I've had parents, whom I still know, approach me during a game and confess that they had a bunch of guest players. No one is angry; we're just calling it out and keeping it real. The Valor folks here are upset because, let's face it, call a spade is a spade. Overall, the true strength of a Valor team isn't worth the salt they think they are. Just keeping it 100.

I've never seen more obnoxious parents at a game

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Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

yes it's gross and remember, there is a fee to enter the tournament, so you're paying for VALOR cheating and stealing the cup

Ya'll need to get a life. As long as the tournament rules aren't broken no one should be complaining. The brackets are completely subjective and the coach/manager submits their application based on where they think they fit. The tournament organizers can move a team up/down as they deem appropriate. They allow a handful of guest player spots so it's not unlimited. WTF is the big deal.

Wow, subjective. So a div 1 playing on the bottom flight perfectly ok? STFU.

Trophy hunters are the worst kind of coaches and parents.

all I got to say is your teams are terrible if they are losing to valor. Valors top players are generally still not as good as bottom player on other top teams.

Don't worry, we don't. Even their top teams crash out after u13 on both boys and girls sides

Where did the players from the 2013 boys top team end up? I assume most if not all left valor? That team was really good but seem to be struggling this year.

Oh, they all left! They went to NVA, FVU, SYC etc