Valor

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Read the tournament rules. Most tournaments only allow up to 5 guest players on 11 v 11. So guest players are not the “many” you claim. Valor plays within the rules. Also, Valor teams do mainly use guest players to help field a short-handed team so that they have enough subs for rest and injuries. These guest players and their parents VOLUNTEER their time to help lower level teams. Getting minutes is an incentive and normal for VOLUNTEERS. Why would a guest player and their parents travel 1–2 hours to sit on the bench for a tournament?

Again if you have a problem with your opponent’s roster, your team can challenge it with the referee before the game.

Valor had 8-9 ECNL RL players in their Black division 7 team at the Williamsburg Columbus Day Invitational tournament and they played in the lowest bracket. The ref and the tournament organizer didn't care.

NCSL allows 5 guest players as long as they're not from a higher division, read the rules.

Oh, they pull this nonsense all the time. Just take a look at the standings in NCSL. It's a piece of cake. You'll notice teams that your club has defeated in the standings, while those same teams have trounced the so-called 'valor' team with 5-0 score-lines, and suddenly, valor is winning 5-1 against your team 4-0. I can assure you, if you dig up their ECNL-R or VPSL for their upper # 1 team schedules, you'll find they had the luxury of guest players because they conveniently didn't have any games that weekend. On brand. With that mind, Valor would be the bottom team. You see Valor always push the NSCL schedule out further so once the VPSL season games end for the fall or spring those Division 1 or regional players can piggy back on lower division NCSL games. Other clubs do this occasionally, but Valor will send 3-4 guest players at a time. You mind as well change the whole roster or just send the number 1 team. It’s laughable.

[Anonymous]

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Read the tournament rules. Most tournaments only allow up to 5 guest players on 11 v 11. So guest players are not the “many” you claim. Valor plays within the rules. Also, Valor teams do mainly use guest players to help field a short-handed team so that they have enough subs for rest and injuries. These guest players and their parents VOLUNTEER their time to help lower level teams. Getting minutes is an incentive and normal for VOLUNTEERS. Why would a guest player and their parents travel 1–2 hours to sit on the bench for a tournament?

Again if you have a problem with your opponent’s roster, your team can challenge it with the referee before the game.

Valor had 8-9 ECNL RL players in their Black division 7 team at the Williamsburg Columbus Day Invitational tournament and they played in the lowest bracket. The ref and the tournament organizer didn't care.

NCSL allows 5 guest players as long as they're not from a higher division, read the rules.

Oh, they pull this nonsense all the time. Just take a look at the standings in NCSL. It's a piece of cake. You'll notice teams that your club has defeated in the standings, while those same teams have trounced the so-called 'valor' team with 5-0 score-lines, and suddenly, valor is winning 5-1 against your team 4-0. I can assure you, if you dig up their ECNL-R or VPSL for their upper # 1 team schedules, you'll find they had the luxury of guest players because they conveniently didn't have any games that weekend. On brand. With that mind, Valor would be the bottom team. You see Valor always push the NSCL schedule out further so once the VPSL season games end for the fall or spring those Division 1 or regional players can piggy back on lower division NCSL games. Other teams do this occasionally, but Valor will send 3-4 guest players at a time. You mind as well change the whole roster or just send the number 1 team. It’s laughable.

[Anonymous]

Oh, they pull this nonsense all the time. Just take a look at the standings in NCSL. It's a piece of cake. You'll notice teams that your club has defeated in the standings, while those same teams have trounced the so-called 'valor' team with 5-0 score-lines, and suddenly, valor is winning 5-1 against your team 4-0. I can assure you, if you dig up their ECNL-R or VPSL for their upper # 1 team schedules, you'll find they had the luxury of guest players because they conveniently didn't have any games that weekend. On brand. With that mind, Valor would be the bottom team. You see Valor always push the NSCL schedule out further so once the VPSL season games end for the fall or spring those Division 1 or regional players can piggy back on lower division NCSL games. Other teams do this occasionally, but Valor will send 3-4 guest players at a time. You mind as well change the whole roster or just send the number 1 team. It’s laughable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

yes it's gross and remember, there is a fee to enter the tournament, so you're paying for VALOR cheating and stealing the cup

Ya'll need to get a life. As long as the tournament rules aren't broken no one should be complaining. The brackets are completely subjective and the coach/manager submits their application based on where they think they fit. The tournament organizers can move a team up/down as they deem appropriate. They allow a handful of guest player spots so it's not unlimited. WTF is the big deal.

Wow, subjective. So a div 1 playing on the bottom flight perfectly ok? STFU.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

yes it's gross and remember, there is a fee to enter the tournament, so you're paying for VALOR cheating and stealing the cup

Ya'll need to get a life. As long as the tournament rules aren't broken no one should be complaining. The brackets are completely subjective and the coach/manager submits their application based on where they think they fit. The tournament organizers can move a team up/down as they deem appropriate. They allow a handful of guest player spots so it's not unlimited. WTF is the big deal.

Wow, subjective. So a div 1 playing on the bottom flight perfectly ok? STFU.

Trophy hunters are the worst kind of coaches and parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many RL players did they bring to this basically rec tournament in Williamsburg to guest play with the Valor lowest level NCSL team?

they had 8

Yup. Typical Valor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

yes it's gross and remember, there is a fee to enter the tournament, so you're paying for VALOR cheating and stealing the cup

+1000% gross. Yep, sounds like Valor.
We played them- lots of guest players, and still lost.


When we were with valor, they rarely allowed us to have guest players- it was like pulling teeth. Why the change now? Why are they allowing so many guest players? Rhetorical question!

So slimy! All of them. You know, who you are- CF!

[Anonymous]

Valor teams sandbagging all for the purpose of championing a post for wins on social media. Complete garbage, but why is anyone surprised, three years later pushing the same mantra.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

yes it's gross and remember, there is a fee to enter the tournament, so you're paying for VALOR cheating and stealing the cup

Ya'll need to get a life. As long as the tournament rules aren't broken no one should be complaining. The brackets are completely subjective and the coach/manager submits their application based on where they think they fit. The tournament organizers can move a team up/down as they deem appropriate. They allow a handful of guest player spots so it's not unlimited. WTF is the big deal.

Wow, subjective. So a div 1 playing on the bottom flight perfectly ok? STFU.

Trophy hunters are the worst kind of coaches and parents.

all I got to say is your teams are terrible if they are losing to valor. Valors top players are generally still not as good as bottom player on other top teams.

[Anonymous]

Which valor teams are the worst? Girls? Boys? Age group?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The classy thing to do for a lower level team needing more than 1 or 2 guest players is to bring guest players from the top team of the age group below. That helps the development of the younger players and makes for more even competition. Guest players from multiple levels above in your current age group screams trying to rack up wins so you can brag about it on social media.

You’re overthinking it. They’re all the same age, and one club’s top team might be equivalent to another club’s second or third team. Just play whoever’s in front of you and let the results take care of themselves.

That's not the situation. This is Valor, putting one of their 3rd-4th-5th rec level u-little teams into the bottom bracket of a low level tournament, and then sending many players from their first team to play in the games with their 3rd-4th-5th team against some other terrible teams. Its gross.

yes it's gross and remember, there is a fee to enter the tournament, so you're paying for VALOR cheating and stealing the cup

Ya'll need to get a life. As long as the tournament rules aren't broken no one should be complaining. The brackets are completely subjective and the coach/manager submits their application based on where they think they fit. The tournament organizers can move a team up/down as they deem appropriate. They allow a handful of guest player spots so it's not unlimited. WTF is the big deal.

Wow, subjective. So a div 1 playing on the bottom flight perfectly ok? STFU.

Trophy hunters are the worst kind of coaches and parents.

all I got to say is your teams are terrible if they are losing to valor. Valors top players are generally still not as good as bottom player on other top teams.

Don't worry, we don't. Even their top teams crash out after u13 on both boys and girls sides

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this a respected club?

The above is the first post of this thread.

How’re we feeling about this Ellis Fick and Sutherland? Messiah jumped ship like a rat tho

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Valor teams sandbagging all for the purpose of championing a post for wins on social media. Complete garbage, but why is anyone surprised, three years later pushing the same mantra.

How do we know if some, most or all of this is exaggerating or just outright lying? Someone simply mad that they lost to valor lol
Admitted the tournament officials knew meaning no rules were broken
How do we know if guest playeers were playing a year up?

Just a bunch of angry sore losers making crap up because they lost to a club they love to bash

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Valor teams sandbagging all for the purpose of championing a post for wins on social media. Complete garbage, but why is anyone surprised, three years later pushing the same mantra.

How do we know if some, most or all of this is exaggerating or just outright lying? Someone simply mad that they lost to valor lol
Admitted the tournament officials knew meaning no rules were broken
How do we know if guest playeers were playing a year up?

Just a bunch of angry sore losers making crap up because they lost to a club they love to bash

Just look at their social media and then cross reference the wins with who they played. If takes you five minutes to Google. Unfortunately very few will ask they see a bunch of trophies and sign up thinking it's a good club with real development

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, they pull this nonsense all the time. Just take a look at the standings in NCSL. It's a piece of cake. You'll notice teams that your club has defeated in the standings, while those same teams have trounced the so-called 'valor' team with 5-0 score-lines, and suddenly, valor is winning 5-1 against your team 4-0. I can assure you, if you dig up their ECNL-R or VPSL for their upper # 1 team schedules, you'll find they had the luxury of guest players because they conveniently didn't have any games that weekend. On brand. With that mind, Valor would be the bottom team. You see Valor always push the NSCL schedule out further so once the VPSL season games end for the fall or spring those Division 1 or regional players can piggy back on lower division NCSL games. Other teams do this occasionally, but Valor will send 3-4 guest players at a time. You mind as well change the whole roster or just send the number 1 team. It’s laughable.

I can attest to this being true. My kid used to play for a Valor top team and when their VPSL season ended, they were asked to play in the last few NCSL games for a lower team along with a couple other top team kids. It was fun and extra playing time for them. Funny you say Valor does this on purpose because I remember not understanding how the NCSL teams’ seasons seemed to end so much later.

It’s also true that top Valor team kids aren’t necessarily top somewhere else. Our kid is on a different top team now but middle of the pack as opposed to one of the top 3. It’s good for them because they have to work for playing time and they get pushed much harder in their training. The technical skill gap is obvious. Valor really fails at giving kids the proper foundation at the younger ages and it shows as they get older. They can have some short term success with athletic kids, but they don’t instill the importance of ball mastery that they will need later. The few Valor success stories are from true natural talent, not anything the Valor coaches did.