Valor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does Valor justifies a $3,000 + $300 kit to parents?
Results.
That’s why cheating is rooted at the company level, when you look them up
on Google tournaments results stand out the most and event organizers don’t enforce rules so they often bring older kids and ECNL players to play in their lowest teams

$3000 includes 2 practices per week during winter and tournament fees (not including hotel and transportation). Other travel clubs in the area do not hold regular practice in winter from mid-November to February. I know some parents paid more than $750 extra for winter training at other clubs to keep their child active, fit and game ready. 2 practices per week during winter makes the tuition justified.

Also, this assertion of cheating, is flat out false. All tournaments have rules and most allow guest players from higher level age group to play at a lower level team at the same age group. Guest what, most clubs in the area, have guest players. Team rosters are submitted and checked by tournament organizers before the start of a tournament. Then at game time, players check in with the referees. If you had concerns with an opponent’s roster, the coach and team manager can bring that to the attention of the referee before the match begins. This is the process, and if your team did not challenge your opponents roster then blame your team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Played them last weekend and they had the coach and an army of dads on the bench.

did you play the real team of the ECNL RL team?

Was at a RL game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Valor justifies a $3,000 + $300 kit to parents?
Results.
That’s why cheating is rooted at the company level, when you look them up
on Google tournaments results stand out the most and event organizers don’t enforce rules so they often bring older kids and ECNL players to play in their lowest teams

$3000 includes 2 practices per week during winter and tournament fees (not including hotel and transportation). Other travel clubs in the area do not hold regular practice in winter from mid-November to February. I know some parents paid more than $750 extra for winter training at other clubs to keep their child active, fit and game ready. 2 practices per week during winter makes the tuition justified.

Also, this assertion of cheating, is flat out false. All tournaments have rules and most allow guest players from higher level age group to play at a lower level team at the same age group. Guest what, most clubs in the area, have guest players. Team rosters are submitted and checked by tournament organizers before the start of a tournament. Then at game time, players check in with the referees. If you had concerns with an opponent’s roster, the coach and team manager can bring that to the attention of the referee before the match begins. This is the process, and if your team did not challenge your opponents roster then blame your team.

Who told you this? We have been at 3 different clubs who all held outdoor winter trainings. The only time off is typically in the summer, where they might do once a week free play or nothing for 6 weeks or so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Valor justifies a $3,000 + $300 kit to parents?
Results.
That’s why cheating is rooted at the company level, when you look them up
on Google tournaments results stand out the most and event organizers don’t enforce rules so they often bring older kids and ECNL players to play in their lowest teams

$3000 includes 2 practices per week during winter and tournament fees (not including hotel and transportation). Other travel clubs in the area do not hold regular practice in winter from mid-November to February. I know some parents paid more than $750 extra for winter training at other clubs to keep their child active, fit and game ready. 2 practices per week during winter makes the tuition justified.

Also, this assertion of cheating, is flat out false. All tournaments have rules and most allow guest players from higher level age group to play at a lower level team at the same age group. Guest what, most clubs in the area, have guest players. Team rosters are submitted and checked by tournament organizers before the start of a tournament. Then at game time, players check in with the referees. If you had concerns with an opponent’s roster, the coach and team manager can bring that to the attention of the referee before the match begins. This is the process, and if your team did not challenge your opponents roster then blame your team.

Its a question of class and appropriateness. If a team *needs* guest players to have subs, the most reputable clubs will use this as an opportunity to give a chance to kids on a lower team. For instance, playing up a second team player with the first team.

Using MANY guest players from the first team to play in a tournament with a 3rd or 4th team is distasteful, poor sportsmanship and frankly, cringe AF. If Valor has no problem doing this, its just another reason to avoid their organization. Kids from the 3rd team sitting on the bench during their own tournament while kids from the first team compete against another club's third team? ICK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Valor justifies a $3,000 + $300 kit to parents?
Results.
That’s why cheating is rooted at the company level, when you look them up
on Google tournaments results stand out the most and event organizers don’t enforce rules so they often bring older kids and ECNL players to play in their lowest teams

$3000 includes 2 practices per week during winter and tournament fees (not including hotel and transportation). Other travel clubs in the area do not hold regular practice in winter from mid-November to February. I know some parents paid more than $750 extra for winter training at other clubs to keep their child active, fit and game ready. 2 practices per week during winter makes the tuition justified.

Also, this assertion of cheating, is flat out false. All tournaments have rules and most allow guest players from higher level age group to play at a lower level team at the same age group. Guest what, most clubs in the area, have guest players. Team rosters are submitted and checked by tournament organizers before the start of a tournament. Then at game time, players check in with the referees. If you had concerns with an opponent’s roster, the coach and team manager can bring that to the attention of the referee before the match begins. This is the process, and if your team did not challenge your opponents roster then blame your team.

That’s surprising. Those two winter practices hardly ever happen with this club. If you have to bring in higher-level players just to compete at lower-level tournaments, that says a lot about where the real issue is.

[Anonymous]

Practicing year round is standard at all the clubs my kids have played at. Boy you really swallowed their marketing line hook and sinker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:coaches get raises based on performance, performance allows the club to raise sign up fees, low cost clubs with volunteering coaches are not so aggressive

Is that confirmed with Valor?

Is this confirmed with any other club in the area?

Coaches request raises based on previous year performances, I heard that some coaches at McLean had very unrealistic expectations

[Anonymous]

Ohh yay were rehashing the cost issue. 3000 including 5 tournaments is not significantly higher than the majority of the clubs in the immediate area.

[Anonymous]

Cost wise, they are on par with all other clubs in the area. You can debate the ROI on that cost, but let's not go crazy by saying they are over priced, etc.

[Anonymous]

Disagree, $3000 is roughly on par with other club's older RL teams.

Its overpriced for all their NCSL level teams and little kid teams. Most clubs prices vary based on competitive level.

[Anonymous]

Is Valor’s recent sharing of Trinity Rosman’s post on social media worthy of being labeled ‘damage control’?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is Valor’s recent sharing of Trinity Rosman’s post on social media worthy of being labeled ‘damage control’?

huh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Played them last weekend and they had the coach and an army of dads on the bench.

I'm sure having a bunch of idiots screaming at the kids is a lot of help. Rec program over there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Its a question of class and appropriateness. If a team *needs* guest players to have subs, the most reputable clubs will use this as an opportunity to give a chance to kids on a lower team. For instance, playing up a second team player with the first team.

Using MANY guest players from the first team to play in a tournament with a 3rd or 4th team is distasteful, poor sportsmanship and frankly, cringe AF. If Valor has no problem doing this, it’s just another reason to avoid their organization. Kids from the 3rd team sitting on the bench during their own tournament while kids from the first team compete against another club's third team? ICK.

Read the tournament rules. Most tournaments only allow up to 5 guest players on 11 v 11. So guest players are not the “many” you claim. Valor plays within the rules. Also, Valor teams do mainly use guest players to help field a short-handed team so that they have enough subs for rest and injuries. These guest players and their parents VOLUNTEER their time to help lower level teams. Getting minutes is an incentive and normal for VOLUNTEERS. Why would a guest player and their parents travel 1–2 hours to sit on the bench for a tournament?

Again if you have a problem with your opponent’s roster, your team can challenge it with the referee before the game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Practicing year round is standard at all the clubs my kids have played at. Boy you really swallowed their marketing line hook and sinker.

Absolutely, it’s good marketing. Not all clubs in the area promise 2 practices per week during winter. Winter training for travel players varies club to club or coach to coach in NOVA. At some clubs you have to pay extra for winter training or their winter program is vague and irregular. At least I have a legitimate complaint with the club if they do not follow through as advertised.