Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:The commended student notification issue was nonsense to me manufactures by Asra. Commended is a pretty irrelevant honor and it’s ridiculous that college board didn’t notify students themselves. The administrators had plenty going on with back to in person learning and it was obvious it was an oversight not a “war on merit” as asra tried to argue.

This is a completely different issue. Its clear that fcps has been covering up intentional cheating and has stood by hayfield even when evidence was found. Asra has redeemed herself in my mind.

Nope. There are colleges that give scholarships to finalists. It was a big deal and intent has nothing to do with it. It was FCPS’ reaction that was horrible.

True - my kiddo is a semifinalist and received a offer of full ride including housing if she was named a finalist - snd tuition only as semifinalist. Another offered 6k if named a finalist. The most important is to be able to put it down on your college apps .

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Anonymous wrote:So when Reid stood up at that meeting in August and said everything was legit and the coach and principal had her full confidence, she knew that multiple football transfers had claimed to be homeless and that five kids all claimed the same address....

In fact, the Hayfield letter to VHSL defended five at the same address as evidence of the expensive nature of northern Virginia housing.

Wait, let me see if I understand this. Over the summer, people in the know at Hayfield request an investigation of a large number of potentially ineligible transfers. Instead of setting up an impartial outside investigation, FCPS decides to carry out the invesigation themselves. Of the 30 kids, they conduct a surprise drop-in of a sample to see if they are actually living at their alleged address. And it turns out that the majority of this small number of kids who got "verified" were the five kids at the same address?!

This is beyond cynical. This isn't even following the letter of the law,

Correct.

Hayfield referred 14 students to Gatehouse for residency checks in May 2024. Gatehouse didn’t complete the residency checks until August 26, 2024.
Reid announced on August 27 that the players were cleared. On August 29, the three skeptical school board members asked for an outside investigation but were voted down.

The Hayfield letter to VHSL says “shared housing is leveraged as an affordable living option for some families, particularly in urban areas with high cost housing…shared housing is not evidence that any family intends for their residency to be less than permanent and thus is not evidence of violation of the Transfer Rule (28A-7).”

Dont fall for it. This is what Reid wants everyone to focus on and the narrative strategy of her 3 letters- for everyone to focus on residency. The residency does NOT matter, but if she can get everyone fighting over that, she hopes they focus on the only 2 things that do matter and that are slam dunks - the violations for recruiting and spirit of game.

Reid’s new narrative strategy is to continue to mention the irrelevant eligibility and now also say that the college landscape changing so VHSL rules don’t work anymore. She is running FCPS by picking the rules she wants to agree or ignore with at the time.

She should have no vote of confidence from any family in FCPS that’s not the parent of the Hayfield starting football team. The time and $ on this mess that she could and should have stopped long before is staggering. Parents of students who are having problems other than whether they can play a football game, how heard do you feel right now? Thanks Reid and School Board for putting one principal’s football dream above everything else.

Can you explain what you mean about the eligibility being irrelevant? And the college landscape changing? How would that affect county residency rules?

It should impact residence rules and is another distraction, but idea is football now big business bc players can get $ beyond tuition. So coaches like Overton have their own businesses where they train kids (outside of school, but he has consistently been investigated for using school resources/facilities/$ for his own business). Some want to argue in name of equity that players should be able to transfer to whatever school want to play football wherever they want. Anything short of that is not equitable.

But again, THIS IS DISTACTION designed to gain sympathy for liars and cheaters.

Have fun enforcing any boundaries changes if make sports Wild West.

We need to do what is done in most of Europe. Kids who want to be athletes attend different schools and the public schools have intramural level sports that everyone has to be involved in.

No one wants either of these scenarios.

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Anonymous wrote:So when Reid stood up at that meeting in August and said everything was legit and the coach and principal had her full confidence, she knew that multiple football transfers had claimed to be homeless and that five kids all claimed the same address....

In fact, the Hayfield letter to VHSL defended five at the same address as evidence of the expensive nature of northern Virginia housing.

Wait, let me see if I understand this. Over the summer, people in the know at Hayfield request an investigation of a large number of potentially ineligible transfers. Instead of setting up an impartial outside investigation, FCPS decides to carry out the invesigation themselves. Of the 30 kids, they conduct a surprise drop-in of a sample to see if they are actually living at their alleged address. And it turns out that the majority of this small number of kids who got "verified" were the five kids at the same address?!

This is beyond cynical. This isn't even following the letter of the law,

Correct.

Hayfield referred 14 students to Gatehouse for residency checks in May 2024. Gatehouse didn’t complete the residency checks until August 26, 2024.
Reid announced on August 27 that the players were cleared. On August 29, the three skeptical school board members asked for an outside investigation but were voted down.

The Hayfield letter to VHSL says “shared housing is leveraged as an affordable living option for some families, particularly in urban areas with high cost housing…shared housing is not evidence that any family intends for their residency to be less than permanent and thus is not evidence of violation of the Transfer Rule (28A-7).”

Dont fall for it. This is what Reid wants everyone to focus on and the narrative strategy of her 3 letters- for everyone to focus on residency. The residency does NOT matter, but if she can get everyone fighting over that, she hopes they focus on the only 2 things that do matter and that are slam dunks - the violations for recruiting and spirit of game.

Reid’s new narrative strategy is to continue to mention the irrelevant eligibility and now also say that the college landscape changing so VHSL rules don’t work anymore. She is running FCPS by picking the rules she wants to agree or ignore with at the time.

She should have no vote of confidence from any family in FCPS that’s not the parent of the Hayfield starting football team. The time and $ on this mess that she could and should have stopped long before is staggering. Parents of students who are having problems other than whether they can play a football game, how heard do you feel right now? Thanks Reid and School Board for putting one principal’s football dream above everything else.

Can you explain what you mean about the eligibility being irrelevant? And the college landscape changing? How would that affect county residency rules?

It should impact residence rules and is another distraction, but idea is football now big business bc players can get $ beyond tuition. So coaches like Overton have their own businesses where they train kids (outside of school, but he has consistently been investigated for using school resources/facilities/$ for his own business). Some want to argue in name of equity that players should be able to transfer to whatever school want to play football wherever they want. Anything short of that is not equitable.

But again, THIS IS DISTACTION designed to gain sympathy for liars and cheaters.

Have fun enforcing any boundaries changes if make sports Wild West.

We need to do what is done in most of Europe. Kids who want to be athletes attend different schools and the public schools have intramural level sports that everyone has to be involved in.

No one wants either of these scenarios.

Maybe? So many HS kids’ sports are becoming bigger outside of the HS. We are seeing this already is soccer, baseball and basketball are getting there, …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You should see the Instagram handle hayfield.barstool. The Hayfield football players make a barely audible threat to Fritts.

Feel bad for all the players that moved to Hayfield solely for academics and not football, they wasted a good senior skip day to prep for football game their principal didn’t let them play:

https://www.instagram.com/hayfield.barstool/p/DCu-as8S9bQ/

A lot of gang signs, use of the N word in videos, and tattooed players. Nice representation of FCPS.

Honest question, don't you have to be 18 to get a tattoo?

If you are ESOL or have certain special ed accommodations, you can attend high school until you turn 22 years old. So feasibly, these tattooed young men could easily be age 18 (the typical senior age in the US) or could be as old as age 21 depending on whether they are ESOL desigated or have a special ed accomodation.

This is a federal mandate (I don't think it is law, just a dept of education regulation).

Like many well intentioned mandates, the intention is good (help special ed students take a little extra time to successfully transition to adulthood) but the execution can have terrible consequences (allowing 21 year old men in high schools with young 13 and 14 year old freshman boys and girls, or in the case of secondary schools, having 21 year old men in schools with 11, 12 and 13 year old 7th and 8th graders.)

I am not familiar with how this works for sports, but imagine it could easily be abused into a red shirting on steroids.

Does VHSL have a hard age cut off for sports participation?

Do adult high school students (19, 20, 21 years old) receiving sped or esol accommodations also receive accommodations that allow them to play on sports teams past the normal age range of 18 years max?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The commended student notification issue was nonsense to me manufactures by Asra. Commended is a pretty irrelevant honor and it’s ridiculous that college board didn’t notify students themselves. The administrators had plenty going on with back to in person learning and it was obvious it was an oversight not a “war on merit” as asra tried to argue.

This is a completely different issue. Its clear that fcps has been covering up intentional cheating and has stood by hayfield even when evidence was found. Asra has redeemed herself in my mind.

Nope. There are colleges that give scholarships to finalists. It was a big deal and intent has nothing to do with it. It was FCPS’ reaction that was horrible.

True - my kiddo is a semifinalist and received a offer of full ride including housing if she was named a finalist - snd tuition only as semifinalist. Another offered 6k if named a finalist. The most important is to be able to put it down on your college apps .

Yes, but your kid was a semi finalist. The failure to notify was only for commended students. Commended students are not semifinalists or finalists. It is not a meaningful achievement to colleges who can already see your SAT score and it does not lead to scholarships. Hate to keep derailing this thread so will stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The commended student notification issue was nonsense to me manufactures by Asra. Commended is a pretty irrelevant honor and it’s ridiculous that college board didn’t notify students themselves. The administrators had plenty going on with back to in person learning and it was obvious it was an oversight not a “war on merit” as asra tried to argue.

This is a completely different issue. Its clear that fcps has been covering up intentional cheating and has stood by hayfield even when evidence was found. Asra has redeemed herself in my mind.

Nope. There are colleges that give scholarships to finalists. It was a big deal and intent has nothing to do with it. It was FCPS’ reaction that was horrible.

A commended student is not a finalist. Semi finalists become finalists if they meet certain qualifications. And the college board informs semi finalists directly. Commended is nothing. Yes, schools should’ve decided their job and notified students but it wasn’t intentional like this cover up is.

Commended isn't "nothing." Only the top 3-5% of students get it. Those students would have been semi-finalists if they lived in other states.

Whether commending “means anything is not relevant. Even more so if was not a big deal, Reid should have been willing to be transparent about the investigation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Consenting for your child to get a tattoo is so incredibly trashy i cant even

Good thing no one cares what you think!

Good thing that you are trash and of no concern for me.

Same, trust.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Consenting for your child to get a tattoo is so incredibly trashy i cant even

Good thing no one cares what you think!

Literally 99.99 percent of white people think this.

Fixed it for you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You should see the Instagram handle hayfield.barstool. The Hayfield football players make a barely audible threat to Fritts.

Feel bad for all the players that moved to Hayfield solely for academics and not football, they wasted a good senior skip day to prep for football game their principal didn’t let them play:

https://www.instagram.com/hayfield.barstool/p/DCu-as8S9bQ/

A lot of gang signs, use of the N word in videos, and tattooed players. Nice representation of FCPS.

Honest question, don't you have to be 18 to get a tattoo?

If you are ESOL or have certain special ed accommodations, you can attend high school until you turn 22 years old. So feasibly, these tattooed young men could easily be age 18 (the typical senior age in the US) or could be as old as age 21 depending on whether they are ESOL desigated or have a special ed accomodation.

This is a federal mandate (I don't think it is law, just a dept of education regulation).

Like many well intentioned mandates, the intention is good (help special ed students take a little extra time to successfully transition to adulthood) but the execution can have terrible consequences (allowing 21 year old men in high schools with young 13 and 14 year old freshman boys and girls, or in the case of secondary schools, having 21 year old men in schools with 11, 12 and 13 year old 7th and 8th graders.)

I am not familiar with how this works for sports, but imagine it could easily be abused into a red shirting on steroids.

Does VHSL have a hard age cut off for sports participation?

Do adult high school students (19, 20, 21 years old) receiving sped or esol accommodations also receive accommodations that allow them to play on sports teams past the normal age range of 18 years max?

yes.
28A-1-1 Age Rule - The student shall not have reached the age of 19 on or before the first day of August of the school year in which he/she wishes to compete.

So a student could have an August 2 birthday, turn 20, and still compete in school sports that school year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should see the Instagram handle hayfield.barstool. The Hayfield football players make a barely audible threat to Fritts.

Feel bad for all the players that moved to Hayfield solely for academics and not football, they wasted a good senior skip day to prep for football game their principal didn’t let them play:

https://www.instagram.com/hayfield.barstool/p/DCu-as8S9bQ/

A lot of gang signs, use of the N word in videos, and tattooed players. Nice representation of FCPS.

Honest question, don't you have to be 18 to get a tattoo?

If you are ESOL or have certain special ed accommodations, you can attend high school until you turn 22 years old. So feasibly, these tattooed young men could easily be age 18 (the typical senior age in the US) or could be as old as age 21 depending on whether they are ESOL desigated or have a special ed accomodation.

This is a federal mandate (I don't think it is law, just a dept of education regulation).

Like many well intentioned mandates, the intention is good (help special ed students take a little extra time to successfully transition to adulthood) but the execution can have terrible consequences (allowing 21 year old men in high schools with young 13 and 14 year old freshman boys and girls, or in the case of secondary schools, having 21 year old men in schools with 11, 12 and 13 year old 7th and 8th graders.)

I am not familiar with how this works for sports, but imagine it could easily be abused into a red shirting on steroids.

Does VHSL have a hard age cut off for sports participation?

Do adult high school students (19, 20, 21 years old) receiving sped or esol accommodations also receive accommodations that allow them to play on sports teams past the normal age range of 18 years max?

yes.
28A-1-1 Age Rule - The student shall not have reached the age of 19 on or before the first day of August of the school year in which he/she wishes to compete.

So a student could have an August 2 birthday, turn 20, and still compete in school sports that school year.

Thank you.

I thought there was away for adult men to compete in sports against teenagers.

It seems this can easily be abused by someone with nefarious intentions, such as the Hayfield leadership and coaches, completely against the spirit of the accommodation.

Do you know if this is an actual law, or if it is a Dept of Ed regulation that could be struck down based on that recent Supreme Court decision against agencies trying to create laws?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should see the Instagram handle hayfield.barstool. The Hayfield football players make a barely audible threat to Fritts.

Feel bad for all the players that moved to Hayfield solely for academics and not football, they wasted a good senior skip day to prep for football game their principal didn’t let them play:

https://www.instagram.com/hayfield.barstool/p/DCu-as8S9bQ/

A lot of gang signs, use of the N word in videos, and tattooed players. Nice representation of FCPS.

Honest question, don't you have to be 18 to get a tattoo?

If you are ESOL or have certain special ed accommodations, you can attend high school until you turn 22 years old. So feasibly, these tattooed young men could easily be age 18 (the typical senior age in the US) or could be as old as age 21 depending on whether they are ESOL desigated or have a special ed accomodation.

This is a federal mandate (I don't think it is law, just a dept of education regulation).

Like many well intentioned mandates, the intention is good (help special ed students take a little extra time to successfully transition to adulthood) but the execution can have terrible consequences (allowing 21 year old men in high schools with young 13 and 14 year old freshman boys and girls, or in the case of secondary schools, having 21 year old men in schools with 11, 12 and 13 year old 7th and 8th graders.)

I am not familiar with how this works for sports, but imagine it could easily be abused into a red shirting on steroids.

Does VHSL have a hard age cut off for sports participation?

Do adult high school students (19, 20, 21 years old) receiving sped or esol accommodations also receive accommodations that allow them to play on sports teams past the normal age range of 18 years max?

yes.
28A-1-1 Age Rule - The student shall not have reached the age of 19 on or before the first day of August of the school year in which he/she wishes to compete.

So a student could have an August 2 birthday, turn 20, and still compete in school sports that school year.

Thank you.

I thought there was away for adult men to compete in sports against teenagers.

It seems this can easily be abused by someone with nefarious intentions, such as the Hayfield leadership and coaches, completely against the spirit of the accommodation.

Do you know if this is an actual law, or if it is a Dept of Ed regulation that could be struck down based on that recent Supreme Court decision against agencies trying to create laws?

Can either of you comprehend what you read?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So when Reid stood up at that meeting in August and said everything was legit and the coach and principal had her full confidence, she knew that multiple football transfers had claimed to be homeless and that five kids all claimed the same address....

In fact, the Hayfield letter to VHSL defended five at the same address as evidence of the expensive nature of northern Virginia housing.

Wait, let me see if I understand this. Over the summer, people in the know at Hayfield request an investigation of a large number of potentially ineligible transfers. Instead of setting up an impartial outside investigation, FCPS decides to carry out the invesigation themselves. Of the 30 kids, they conduct a surprise drop-in of a sample to see if they are actually living at their alleged address. And it turns out that the majority of this small number of kids who got "verified" were the five kids at the same address?!

This is beyond cynical. This isn't even following the letter of the law,

Correct.

Hayfield referred 14 students to Gatehouse for residency checks in May 2024. Gatehouse didn’t complete the residency checks until August 26, 2024.
Reid announced on August 27 that the players were cleared. On August 29, the three skeptical school board members asked for an outside investigation but were voted down.

The Hayfield letter to VHSL says “shared housing is leveraged as an affordable living option for some families, particularly in urban areas with high cost housing…shared housing is not evidence that any family intends for their residency to be less than permanent and thus is not evidence of violation of the Transfer Rule (28A-7).”

Dont fall for it. This is what Reid wants everyone to focus on and the narrative strategy of her 3 letters- for everyone to focus on residency. The residency does NOT matter, but if she can get everyone fighting over that, she hopes they focus on the only 2 things that do matter and that are slam dunks - the violations for recruiting and spirit of game.

Reid’s new narrative strategy is to continue to mention the irrelevant eligibility and now also say that the college landscape changing so VHSL rules don’t work anymore. She is running FCPS by picking the rules she wants to agree or ignore with at the time.

She should have no vote of confidence from any family in FCPS that’s not the parent of the Hayfield starting football team. The time and $ on this mess that she could and should have stopped long before is staggering. Parents of students who are having problems other than whether they can play a football game, how heard do you feel right now? Thanks Reid and School Board for putting one principal’s football dream above everything else.

Can you explain what you mean about the eligibility being irrelevant? And the college landscape changing? How would that affect county residency rules?

It should impact residence rules and is another distraction, but idea is football now big business bc players can get $ beyond tuition. So coaches like Overton have their own businesses where they train kids (outside of school, but he has consistently been investigated for using school resources/facilities/$ for his own business). Some want to argue in name of equity that players should be able to transfer to whatever school want to play football wherever they want. Anything short of that is not equitable.

But again, THIS IS DISTACTION designed to gain sympathy for liars and cheaters.

Have fun enforcing any boundaries changes if make sports Wild West.

We need to do what is done in most of Europe. Kids who want to be athletes attend different schools and the public schools have intramural level sports that everyone has to be involved in.

No one wants either of these scenarios.

Most high schools in Europe don’t have facilities or fields to support sports of any kind. There are sometimes council run sports leagues however, depending on local budgets, but those programs are independent of the schools. Interscholastic athletics simply don’t exist in Europe and that’s by design. The focus is on education. Do the majority of Americans want that? I’m not sure, but I doubt it. Most parents have fond memories of the friday night lights and of basketball tryouts, or marching band, etc. Schools are much more than grades for Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should see the Instagram handle hayfield.barstool. The Hayfield football players make a barely audible threat to Fritts.

Feel bad for all the players that moved to Hayfield solely for academics and not football, they wasted a good senior skip day to prep for football game their principal didn’t let them play:

https://www.instagram.com/hayfield.barstool/p/DCu-as8S9bQ/

A lot of gang signs, use of the N word in videos, and tattooed players. Nice representation of FCPS.

Honest question, don't you have to be 18 to get a tattoo?

If you are ESOL or have certain special ed accommodations, you can attend high school until you turn 22 years old. So feasibly, these tattooed young men could easily be age 18 (the typical senior age in the US) or could be as old as age 21 depending on whether they are ESOL desigated or have a special ed accomodation.

This is a federal mandate (I don't think it is law, just a dept of education regulation).

Like many well intentioned mandates, the intention is good (help special ed students take a little extra time to successfully transition to adulthood) but the execution can have terrible consequences (allowing 21 year old men in high schools with young 13 and 14 year old freshman boys and girls, or in the case of secondary schools, having 21 year old men in schools with 11, 12 and 13 year old 7th and 8th graders.)

I am not familiar with how this works for sports, but imagine it could easily be abused into a red shirting on steroids.

Does VHSL have a hard age cut off for sports participation?

Do adult high school students (19, 20, 21 years old) receiving sped or esol accommodations also receive accommodations that allow them to play on sports teams past the normal age range of 18 years max?

yes.
28A-1-1 Age Rule - The student shall not have reached the age of 19 on or before the first day of August of the school year in which he/she wishes to compete.

So a student could have an August 2 birthday, turn 20, and still compete in school sports that school year.

Thank you.

I thought there was away for adult men to compete in sports against teenagers.

It seems this can easily be abused by someone with nefarious intentions, such as the Hayfield leadership and coaches, completely against the spirit of the accommodation.

Do you know if this is an actual law, or if it is a Dept of Ed regulation that could be struck down based on that recent Supreme Court decision against agencies trying to create laws?

Can either of you comprehend what you read? :lol:

???

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Anonymous wrote:I naively thought Reid would be put on leave today.

Thanksgiving Break started today, I think we will get announcements Sunday evening.

There’s no way.

Americans have voted cheating, corruption, and cover-ups are completely acceptable-Reid will be just fine.

I'm going to stand behind her....if "men" in power can lie and cover up and still have their job so should she. It can't be one and not the other.

Pathetic. She helped screw over so many kids and you're going to stand with her as a feminist? I'm a feminist and want her fired yesterday.

Wow! How did we get here?

how do you know I'm female?

[Anonymous]

Students, regardless of age only have 4 years of high school sports eligibility. If a student takes 5 years to graduate, they don't get to play 5 years of a sport.