Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

I'm going to ignore the personal jap ("disappointing to see people like you") and will ask: have you ever met a Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian, or Syrian? Or is your view solely based on reading coverage that portrays them as religious fanatics that seek to destroy Israel?

DP.

Have you seen the polling on Palestinian attitudes towards Israel?

A clear majority favors the destruction of Israel over a 2-state solution (or any other peaceful resolution).

And these polls were conducted before 10/7.

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

I'm going to ignore the personal jap ("disappointing to see people like you") and will ask: have you ever met a Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian, or Syrian? Or is your view solely based on reading coverage that portrays them as religious fanatics that seek to destroy Israel?

DP.

Have you seen the polling on Palestinian attitudes towards Israel?

A clear majority favors the destruction of Israel over a 2-state solution (or any other peaceful resolution).

And these polls were conducted before 10/7.

I don’t understand the Israeli position that despite everything, EVERYTHING they are doing to every palestinian they can touch, that the Palestinians somehow owe them deference , respect and validation.

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

I'm going to ignore the personal jap ("disappointing to see people like you") and will ask: have you ever met a Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian, or Syrian? Or is your view solely based on reading coverage that portrays them as religious fanatics that seek to destroy Israel?

DP.

Have you seen the polling on Palestinian attitudes towards Israel?

A clear majority favors the destruction of Israel over a 2-state solution (or any other peaceful resolution).

And these polls were conducted before 10/7.

I don’t understand the Israeli position that despite everything, EVERYTHING they are doing to every palestinian they can touch, that the Palestinians somehow owe them deference , respect and validation.

It’s perplexing. Zionists argue that Palestinians seek to kill all Jews and to form an ethno-state where Israel exists today. Palestinians have actually experienced - for over 80 years now - the Zionists doing exactly that - except to them.

It must be maddening to endure your abusive oppressor accusing you of the exact actions they have violently imposed on you for decades. Might be cause for some of the hostility in the Palestinian camp, but I’m not sure.

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

I'm going to ignore the personal jap ("disappointing to see people like you") and will ask: have you ever met a Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian, or Syrian? Or is your view solely based on reading coverage that portrays them as religious fanatics that seek to destroy Israel?

DP.

Have you seen the polling on Palestinian attitudes towards Israel?

A clear majority favors the destruction of Israel over a 2-state solution (or any other peaceful resolution).

And these polls were conducted before 10/7.

I don’t understand the Israeli position that despite everything, EVERYTHING they are doing to every palestinian they can touch, that the Palestinians somehow owe them deference , respect and validation.

It’s perplexing. Zionists argue that Palestinians seek to kill all Jews and to form an ethno-state where Israel exists today. Palestinians have actually experienced - for over 80 years now - the Zionists doing exactly that - except to them.

It must be maddening to endure your abusive oppressor accusing you of the exact actions they have violently imposed on you for decades. Might be cause for some of the hostility in the Palestinian camp, but I’m not sure.

+1. And we keep hearing that "Israel has a right to defend itself." Are the Palestinians allowed to defend themselves? Or should they just quietly accept the massacres, rapes, torture, evictions, land theft, and violations of international law and humbly shuffle off to ... where exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

I'm going to ignore the personal jap ("disappointing to see people like you") and will ask: have you ever met a Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian, or Syrian? Or is your view solely based on reading coverage that portrays them as religious fanatics that seek to destroy Israel?

DP.

Have you seen the polling on Palestinian attitudes towards Israel?

A clear majority favors the destruction of Israel over a 2-state solution (or any other peaceful resolution).

And these polls were conducted before 10/7.

Well

Are you an idiot? Every month before Oct 7 the Palestinians suffer an Oct 7 at the hands of the Israeli. The same Israeli who refuse to recognize the Palestinians and are actually killing them.

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

I'm going to ignore the personal jap ("disappointing to see people like you") and will ask: have you ever met a Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian, or Syrian? Or is your view solely based on reading coverage that portrays them as religious fanatics that seek to destroy Israel?

DP.

Have you seen the polling on Palestinian attitudes towards Israel?

A clear majority favors the destruction of Israel over a 2-state solution (or any other peaceful resolution).

And these polls were conducted before 10/7.

Well

Are you an idiot? Every month before Oct 7 the Palestinians suffer an Oct 7 at the hands of the Israeli. The same Israeli who refuse to recognize the Palestinians and are actually killing them.

Anything’s possible, I suppose, but the objective measurables suggest quite the contrary.

Seems more likely that you didn’t read the prior post or understand the point.

So we’ll go with that as the most likely explanation absent compelling evidence to the contrary.

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

I'm going to ignore the personal jap ("disappointing to see people like you") and will ask: have you ever met a Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian, or Syrian? Or is your view solely based on reading coverage that portrays them as religious fanatics that seek to destroy Israel?

DP.

Have you seen the polling on Palestinian attitudes towards Israel?

A clear majority favors the destruction of Israel over a 2-state solution (or any other peaceful resolution).

And these polls were conducted before 10/7.

I don’t understand the Israeli position that despite everything, EVERYTHING they are doing to every palestinian they can touch, that the Palestinians somehow owe them deference , respect and validation.

It’s perplexing. Zionists argue that Palestinians seek to kill all Jews and to form an ethno-state where Israel exists today. Palestinians have actually experienced - for over 80 years now - the Zionists doing exactly that - except to them.

It must be maddening to endure your abusive oppressor accusing you of the exact actions they have violently imposed on you for decades. Might be cause for some of the hostility in the Palestinian camp, but I’m not sure.

+1. And we keep hearing that "Israel has a right to defend itself." Are the Palestinians allowed to defend themselves? Or should they just quietly accept the massacres, rapes, torture, evictions, land theft, and violations of international law and humbly shuffle off to ... where exactly?

Every Palestinian has as much character and courage as 100 Israelis. All the Zionists have is money and weapons. Otherwise they are cowards.

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Almost all Palestinians including Hamas have family members in Israel as citizens so it’s not true all Palestinians hate Israel when many (20% of Israel is Arab). Obviously many were pragmatic enough to accept Israel and live in peace. Being a Palestinian is not dependent on having statehood. They understand they won’t stop having an identity just because they’re in someone else’s country or don’t have their own and they realize immigrating to the US or elsewhere would not be any more
Noble as they are the funders of the idf anyway

It’s also not true Israel wants to genocide all Palestinians or Arabs. In fact they love the Arab Israelis. You barely see any ashkenazi cultural markers at all in israel. I think they even be lying about it only being 20% Arab. From what I saw it looks and sounds more to be 35%

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

I'm going to ignore the personal jap ("disappointing to see people like you") and will ask: have you ever met a Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian, or Syrian? Or is your view solely based on reading coverage that portrays them as religious fanatics that seek to destroy Israel?

DP.

Have you seen the polling on Palestinian attitudes towards Israel?

A clear majority favors the destruction of Israel over a 2-state solution (or any other peaceful resolution).

And these polls were conducted before 10/7.

I don’t understand the Israeli position that despite everything, EVERYTHING they are doing to every palestinian they can touch, that the Palestinians somehow owe them deference , respect and validation.

It’s perplexing. Zionists argue that Palestinians seek to kill all Jews and to form an ethno-state where Israel exists today. Palestinians have actually experienced - for over 80 years now - the Zionists doing exactly that - except to them.

It must be maddening to endure your abusive oppressor accusing you of the exact actions they have violently imposed on you for decades. Might be cause for some of the hostility in the Palestinian camp, but I’m not sure.

+1. And we keep hearing that "Israel has a right to defend itself." Are the Palestinians allowed to defend themselves? Or should they just quietly accept the massacres, rapes, torture, evictions, land theft, and violations of international law and humbly shuffle off to ... where exactly?

Every Palestinian has as much character and courage as 100 Israelis. All the Zionists have is money and weapons. Otherwise they are cowards.

Don't forget all Zionists posses some combination of ignorance and evil.

And no, one does not need to be Jewish or Christian to be a zionist, just racist. Palestinian equality is inherently incompatible with Zionism and hence the need for apartheid and occupation rather than a one state solution.

This was clearly evident even 50 years ago in UN Resolution 3379, which declared Zionism to be “a form of racism and racial discrimination"

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Anonymous wrote:In short, Israel has not cut the head off their snake. Instead, they are searching the other tall grasses to project strength to everyone and show that 10/7 doesn’t mean their weaknsss but won’t victimizing more people only increase their chances of less protection and actually cause Hamas and Hezbollah to actually collaborate? It makes no sense to go after Lebanon. Israel couldn’t even handle Lebanon in 2006 when Hezbollah was significantly weaker compared
To where they are
Today. Hezbollah still managed to cause much loss for them and Israelis were demoralized very fast by the whole Lebanon project because they know the war was not necessary for protection just Israel being Israel

Hezbollah was already collaborating with Hamas by firing rockets into Israel in support of Oct 7. In case you haven't been watching the news, Israel has severely weakened both Hamas and Hezbollah.

Both groups have existed for 40 years Wars do not weaken but only strengthen these groups. Do you what weakens these groups? Peace.

Their whole MO is Israel is evil and a terror state. It’s hard for the average Joe Schmoe to disagree there when their house or family is blown up. Israel helps fuel these groups not end them

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Anonymous wrote:Almost all Palestinians including Hamas have family members in Israel as citizens so it’s not true all Palestinians hate Israel when many (20% of Israel is Arab). Obviously many were pragmatic enough to accept Israel and live in peace. Being a Palestinian is not dependent on having statehood. They understand they won’t stop having an identity just because they’re in someone else’s country or don’t have their own and they realize immigrating to the US or elsewhere would not be any more
Noble as they are the funders of the idf anyway

It’s also not true Israel wants to genocide all Palestinians or Arabs. In fact they love the Arab Israelis. You barely see any ashkenazi cultural markers at all in israel. I think they even be lying about it only being 20% Arab. From what I saw it looks and sounds more to be 35%

That’s because Arab food, music and flavor is obviously superior to their ashkenazi counterparts. Whenever a place bills itself as serving “Israeli food”, it’s not gefilte fish on the menu. Ain’t nobody wants to eat that.

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Wow, what ever happened to never again

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Anonymous wrote:

Wow, what ever happened to never again

You're mistaken - it's actually never US again. No big deal if it's brown people or moslems getting genocided