Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the IDF were able to kill Sinwar in a firefight today. I've seen the pictures. I'd be very surprised if it's not him. Looks like him. Same teeth. Even wearing a Rolex. Since Sinwar did spend time in an Israeli prison, the IDF should be able to confirm it's him soon. Now if the Palestinians would just release the remaining 97 unaccounted hostages, this war will be all over. Let's hope.

This campaign may be over, but Israel has ensured the larger war will continue. By killing so many innocent people, Israel has ensured future generations committed to the destruction of Zionism and all it stands for - ethno-religious supremacy, violence, apartheid, and genocide. Many Zionists will die in the future to atone for what Netanyahu and his henchmen have done, and if that prospect bothers some Jews they are Zionists first and Jews second. Because these thugs have made a complete mockery of Judaism as well and rendered it synonymous with terror, death, and the slaughter of innocents for many decades if not centuries to come. The students know this better than anyone else, and the sense of overriding shame among many Jewish-American students is part of what drives their movement.

This is a pervasive and profoundly silly talking point.

The "larger" war will continue until (a) someone "wins", or (b) a durable peace agreement is reached.

What has happened in the last year doesn't change this calculus in any way, shape or form.

The silliness is Israel thinking it can “win” when everything it’s done for years just makes it more of a global pariah, especially among the young. Again, they win battles and lose the larger war. Most of the world would now love to see Israel wiped off the map.

You're very out of touch. The majority of the globe - including most of the Arab world - is very pleased to see Israel destroy Iranian proxy armies like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Iran completely overreached when they had Hamas invade Israel, not to mention the thousands of rocket attacks launched by Hezbollah, which forced tens of thousands to flee their homes in northern Israel. The Iranian ballistic missile attack earlier this month was the last straw. I can assure you that Israel's retaliation will be done with the full cooperation of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan and other partners in the region. The entire world is unified in halting Iranian aggression.

Actually for some of Iran's regional adversaries, this war Israel is engaged in with Iranian proxies is a win/win -- it degrades Iran's offensive capabilities AND everyone can also lambaste the country doing the fighting.

It's totally a win-win for the Arab world. Everyone is rooting for Israel to seriously degrade Iran's military capabilities in the region, particularly the proxy armies - Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and the various militias in Syria and Iraq. The only place you'll find a protest against Israel is on an American college campus. Meanwhile, the Arab world quietly stands with Israel.

+1. This is the most observant and important comment I’ve seen after reading thousands of comments on the chains on DC urban moms.

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

Oh yes, Israel must protect itself from Palestinian babies, so it kills them. That's not genocide, that's protection. So productive.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the IDF were able to kill Sinwar in a firefight today. I've seen the pictures. I'd be very surprised if it's not him. Looks like him. Same teeth. Even wearing a Rolex. Since Sinwar did spend time in an Israeli prison, the IDF should be able to confirm it's him soon. Now if the Palestinians would just release the remaining 97 unaccounted hostages, this war will be all over. Let's hope.

This campaign may be over, but Israel has ensured the larger war will continue. By killing so many innocent people, Israel has ensured future generations committed to the destruction of Zionism and all it stands for - ethno-religious supremacy, violence, apartheid, and genocide. Many Zionists will die in the future to atone for what Netanyahu and his henchmen have done, and if that prospect bothers some Jews they are Zionists first and Jews second. Because these thugs have made a complete mockery of Judaism as well and rendered it synonymous with terror, death, and the slaughter of innocents for many decades if not centuries to come. The students know this better than anyone else, and the sense of overriding shame among many Jewish-American students is part of what drives their movement.

This is a pervasive and profoundly silly talking point.

The "larger" war will continue until (a) someone "wins", or (b) a durable peace agreement is reached.

What has happened in the last year doesn't change this calculus in any way, shape or form.

The silliness is Israel thinking it can “win” when everything it’s done for years just makes it more of a global pariah, especially among the young. Again, they win battles and lose the larger war. Most of the world would now love to see Israel wiped off the map.

You're very out of touch. The majority of the globe - including most of the Arab world - is very pleased to see Israel destroy Iranian proxy armies like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Iran completely overreached when they had Hamas invade Israel, not to mention the thousands of rocket attacks launched by Hezbollah, which forced tens of thousands to flee their homes in northern Israel. The Iranian ballistic missile attack earlier this month was the last straw. I can assure you that Israel's retaliation will be done with the full cooperation of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan and other partners in the region. The entire world is unified in halting Iranian aggression.

Actually for some of Iran's regional adversaries, this war Israel is engaged in with Iranian proxies is a win/win -- it degrades Iran's offensive capabilities AND everyone can also lambaste the country doing the fighting.

It's totally a win-win for the Arab world. Everyone is rooting for Israel to seriously degrade Iran's military capabilities in the region, particularly the proxy armies - Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and the various militias in Syria and Iraq. The only place you'll find a protest against Israel is on an American college campus. Meanwhile, the Arab world quietly stands with Israel.

+1. This is the most observant and important comment I’ve seen after reading thousands of comments on the chains on DC urban moms.

hmm. Have you seen this article? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/20/world/middleeast/israel-saudi-arabia-iran-gulf.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Tk4.1UqI.9p7tasCWRLeK&smid=url-share

The lead in: "Before Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks, Saudi Arabia was open to forging stronger ties with the Israelis. Now, a year into the war in Gaza, it is warming up to its traditional enemy, Iran."

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

I'm going to ignore the personal jap ("disappointing to see people like you") and will ask: have you ever met a Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian, or Syrian? Or is your view solely based on reading coverage that portrays them as religious fanatics that seek to destroy Israel?

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

Israel's similarities to Nazi Germany have nothing at all to do with the religion of most Israelis and everything to do with their behavior. It is a red herring to bring the specific religion into the equation. Behavior must be judged by its motives and consequences rather than by the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In the comparison, it is only relevant that a particular religious or ethnic group demands asymmetrical power and status.

Imagine that the Druze decided they wanted their own country, a special Druze state in what is now Israel, and took it by force by killing and expelling the majority of non-Druze occupants of the region (which is exactly what happened during the Nakba and continues in the West Bank). Oh, they might let a few remain, as long as they can be kept to a minority so they can't threaten the theocratic dominance of the Druze state. Or imagine that a group of U.S. citizens decided they wanted to create their own theocratic and predominantly white Baptist state, so they invaded part of Mexico, ethnically cleansed most of the inhabitants, and declared the region a sovereign Baptist nation. This is exactly what Zionist terrorist gangs and the nascent IDF did during the Nakba and continue to do in Gaza and the West Bank. Are you suggesting that the religion of most Zionists gives them a pass on fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing?

There are strong parallels between Israeli extremists such as Daniella Weiss, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, on the one hand, and Nazis on the other. The afore-mentioned people, and other members of the Israeli hard right, lack all humanity. They regard Palestinians as an inconvenience at best and a plague at worst. Hitler, in Mein Kampf, opined that Germany should expand eastward to gain "Lebensraum," evicting, enslaving, or exterminating the Slavs in the process. How can you deny that many Israelis want to do exactly the same to the Palestinians? Or that they have in fact evicted and exterminated them in the past and continue to do the same today? Or that Jewish Israeli schoolchildren in some cases gain approval from their teachers when they talk about blowing up mosques and making Palestinians their slaves? Or sing, "Burn their villages"? Consider that the Nazis considered relocating Jews to Madagascar to get rid of them, while Netanyahu-not some fringe radical but Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel-has been in talks with the Congo and other countries about dumping Palestinians there once Gaza has been made uninhabitable. Just as the Nazis planned to expand the Reich, Smotrich would like to expand Israel to include all or parts of Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. How is this NOT similar to Nazi policy?

As for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, it is inevitable that resistance movements will arise in the face of enormous injustice. One cannot approve of their methods, but one also has to consider that the world has for decades allowed terrible injustices against the Palestinians, and diplomacy has been ineffective.

Zionist ideology privileges one ethnic group at the expense of others, just as Nazism privileged "Aryans" over Jews, Slavs, Romany, etc. It's important to make a distinction between Jewish people in general and Zionists, just as one should distinguish between Germans and Nazis. Many Jewish people, including those in my family, are sickened and disgusted by what Israel is doing. They do not want to be associated with it in any way. It is deeply wrong to suggest all Jews are Zionists, or even that all Zionists approve of Israel's genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The people in power in Israel at the moment are, sad to say, emulating Nazism. I don't see how one can avoid that conclusion, whatever one's preconceptions.

So, in answer to your question, nobody is trying to "degrade and debase a country of Jews." Please don't play the race card in an effort to excuse genocide or shut down criticism of Israel. Most of us want Israel to be held accountable for its atrocities and to be forced to comply with international law. Israel should make reparations to Palestinians as demanded by UN Resolution 194. We also want to stop arming the Israeli regime. As an American taxpayer, I am horrified that I am contributing financially to Israel's obscene savagery and ethnosupremacist ideals.

+1. And I would just add for anyone who doesn’t believe your points, please speak to a Palestinian. I know a few and they are crystal clear things not about religion.

Iran’s policies and the way it treats women are far closer to Nazi Germany than the way Israel treats Palestinians.

Israel and Hamas are in a war. Despite you trying to oversimplify and act like Hamas and other “resistance fighters” are a product that exists solely due to Israel’s mistreatment, the facts belie your conclusion. Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a group of freedom or resistance fighters. Hamas only exists to destroy Israel, Jews, and take the land.

It’s so disappointing to see people like you. This is not genocide on the part of Jews. It’s self protection. And screaming from the roof tops about genocide only prevents productive conversations from happening.

Iran is not trying to exterminate women or expel them en masse from their homes and homeland. One wants to avoid the logical fallacy of relative privation, which is what you are doing when you try to deflect from Israeli atrocities by pointing to problems elsewhere.

Your remaining circular arguments are unconvincing. Human rights experts have found "reasonable grounds" that Israel is perpetrating genocide: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976

To quote Francesca Albanese in the above article: "Specifically, Israel has committed three acts of genocide with the requisite intent: causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group ... the genocide in Gaza is the most extreme stage of a long-standing settler colonial process of erasure of the native Palestinians."

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I don’t get how Israel is accomplishing self protection by fighting Lebanon and Iran.

It seems more like self destruction than self protection.

Those countries have nothing to do with the Palestinians or Hamas’s logistical support and weapons for 10/7 which comes from Qatars money and the Russians Wagner Group based in Sudan via Egypt.

10/7 came South from Africa and even had non Palestinian Sudanese Wagner soldiers participating with Hamas. Israel knows it.

Israel knows 10/7 is Putins birthday. Israel knows Hezbollah and Iran knew nothing about 10/7 but Putin did. Israel knows that Putin knew that since 10/7 the U.S. would be distracted in the ME and fund Israel over Ukraine with weapons. Putin was recently as of this year only able to win back much ground in Ukraine that he LOST because the Ukrainian army was out of American shells. They were at empty and Zelensky was begging Americans to not forget Ukraine because 10/7 became a big distraction for Putin and a way for Hamas to destroy the Saudi/Israeli peace deal.

Israel knows Egypt and Qatar were the negotiators and they knew where Hamas /Sinwar were this entire time
Most Likely. They know Iran doesn’t
Speak The same language as Arabs and more Hamas speak Hebrew and have social
Media catfishing /honeypot relationships with Israelis than they do Iranians.

Israel knows it’s focus should be South on the Sinai where Hamas almost certainly has tunnels and where Sinwar was found and not in Lebanon miles and miles north and not even sharing a border with Gaza

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In short, Israel has not cut the head off their snake. Instead, they are searching the other tall grasses to project strength to everyone and show that 10/7 doesn’t mean their weaknsss but won’t victimizing more people only increase their chances of less protection and actually cause Hamas and Hezbollah to actually collaborate? It makes no sense to go after Lebanon. Israel couldn’t even handle Lebanon in 2006 when Hezbollah was significantly weaker compared
To where they are
Today. Hezbollah still managed to cause much loss for them and Israelis were demoralized very fast by the whole Lebanon project because they know the war was not necessary for protection just Israel being Israel

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As you can see from the last several responses the anger towards Israel is just increasing. If that’s happening in an anonymous message message board with posters safe from any harm just imagine the hatred on the ground and’s throughout the ME region that Israel is stirring up. I can’t say I blame them - I look at the photos and read the stories and it’s horrible. I don’t see how this ends well for Israel. Sure they have the military upper hand but to live in peace long term they need to win hearts and minds.

People have justified all the killing based n what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq post 9-11. The key difference is that we could leave the region. Assuming that Israel does want to remain a country, it doesn’t have that luxury.

Those responses are all from the same poster. And this one might be as well.

I don't think one need assume those responses are from a single poster. Anger toward Israel is burgeoning throughout the world, and there's plenty to go round. The recent scenes of hospital patients in tents outside Al-Aqsa Hospital, some of them attached to IVs, being burned to death as the result of an Israeli airstrike are so horrifying that they have magnified the outrage. The stories of innocent Palestinians being killed or injured and evicted, in contradiction of international law, from homes in the WB where their families have lived for generations, are also stirring up outrage. Israel has become a rogue state with many similarities to Nazi Germany. It's taking an unconscionably long time for the international community to react, but genocide won't be tolerated forever.

In terms of similarities to Nazi Germany, consider Hitler's plans for "lebensraum" included colonizing areas to the east of Germany and either evicting or exterminating the Slavs who lived there. This is exactly what Israel is doing and has done for decades to the Palestinians.

Just curious. If Israel wasn’t the only Jewish country in the world would you be using Nazis as the comparison point? Because very little about Israel resembles the actions of the Nazi Party if we want to go point-by-point. And also there are players in the region (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) that do resemble the Nazis in terms of sworn ideology, actions, explicit commitment to eradicate Jews from the world, and who have actually ethnically cleansed Jews from the MENA region - very much what Hitler hoped to do in Europe.

So is that you find the best way to degrade and debase a country of Jews is to summon the accusation of Nazi?

None of the groups you listed are explicitly committed to eradicating Jews from the world OR have ethnically cleansed them from the MENA region.

[Anonymous]

we all knew this, but it is rather shocking to see it in black and white

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In short, Israel has not cut the head off their snake. Instead, they are searching the other tall grasses to project strength to everyone and show that 10/7 doesn’t mean their weaknsss but won’t victimizing more people only increase their chances of less protection and actually cause Hamas and Hezbollah to actually collaborate? It makes no sense to go after Lebanon. Israel couldn’t even handle Lebanon in 2006 when Hezbollah was significantly weaker compared
To where they are
Today. Hezbollah still managed to cause much loss for them and Israelis were demoralized very fast by the whole Lebanon project because they know the war was not necessary for protection just Israel being Israel

Hezbollah was already collaborating with Hamas by firing rockets into Israel in support of Oct 7. In case you haven't been watching the news, Israel has severely weakened both Hamas and Hezbollah.

[Anonymous]

We all knew it wasn't about the hostages too, but rather ethnically cleansing and taking Palestinian land

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-10-16/ty-article/.premium/netanyahus-likud-party-issues-invitation-to-event-titled-preparing-to-settle-gaza/00000192-95b6-d9c2-a7f3-9db676f40000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:we all knew this, but it is rather shocking to see it in black and white

So obvious, not surprising considering they've killed more hostages via the Hannibal directive than they've rescued

[Anonymous]

They're lining up male adults and children for torture camps ... Looks kinda familiar

https://x.com/kennardmatt/status/1847680467643801623