Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on DCUM claimed that Charlie Kirk condoned the stoning of gay people. That sounded extreme, so I started looking into it. I came across a news story titled, “Stephen King Apologizes for Claiming Charlie Kirk ‘Advocated Stoning Gays’: ‘This Is What I Get for Reading X Without Fact-Checking.’” (https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/stephen-king-apologizes-charlie-kirk-stoning-gays-1236516429/)

It made me wonder: how many of the extreme, hateful claims attributed to Kirk are actually false? And how much did these falsehoods contribute to the climate that led to his assassination? He was compared to a Nazi, an accusation that, if widely accepted, would make his death something to be celebrated by many. But was that comparison fair?

Before he was assassinated, I had never even heard of him. Afterward, I read an article compiling his most well-known quotes (listed below). They were definitely conservative, but none struck me as Nazi-like. From what I saw, he was simply an American with right-leaning views, open to debate like anyone else in a democratic society.

Well-known Quotes of Charlie Kirk:
“Our founders did not establish this nation and shed their blood to see it become the world’s greatest debtor nation.”

“It is the responsibility of the individual to protect their own freedom and secure their own happiness.”

“Freedom is not about doing what feels good; it’s about doing what’s right.”

“The government does not create wealth, it simply redistributes it.”

“America is not perfect, but it is the greatest nation in the history of the world.”

“Capitalism is not a system that guarantees equal outcomes, but it is a system that guarantees equal opportunity.”

“Conservatism is not about status quo; it’s about returning to the principles that have stood the test of time.”

“The government’s job is not to make us equal, but to give us all equal rights.”

“Education should focus on teaching students how to think, not what to think.”

“Liberals believe in the power of government, conservatives believe in the power of the individual.”

“The left loves diversity of thought as long as everyone agrees with them.”

“The greatest threat to freedom is the temptation to trade it for security.”

“The government should be limited, not the dreams and ambitions of its citizens.”

“Success is not about who you know, it’s about what you know and what you do with it.”

“Patriotism is not about blind loyalty, but about recognizing the greatness and potential of your country.”

“Liberty is not a gift from government, it is a right bestowed upon us by our Creator.”

“The culture war is not about right vs. left, it’s about right vs. wrong.”

“Freedom is not free; it must be fought for and defended.”

“Big government is not the solution; it’s the problem.”

“Self-reliance is the fuel of success; dependency is the road to mediocrity.”

“The American Dream is not a guarantee, it’s an opportunity.”

“We are not entitled to anything; we must earn what we want in life.”

“Conservatism is not about hating change; it’s about preserving what is good and proven.”

“The principles that made America great are timeless; they are not bound by time, culture, or political correctness.”

“Progressivism is not about progress; it’s about control.”

“Liberty is not just a word, it’s a way of life.”

“The pursuit of happiness is not about material possessions, but about finding meaning and purpose in life.”

“Capitalism is not perfect, but it is the best economic system ever created.”

“The left wants to create equality of outcome, while the right seeks to create equality of opportunity.”

“The greatness of our nation lies in the power and potential of its individuals.”

The stoning thing is true though. The clip has been posted repeatedly. He doesn’t say it as directly as represented but he definitely endorsed stoning gay people as a way to teach them what God’s law is.

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Anonymous wrote:What we know about Robinson
At the press conference, Cox said Robinson had become "more political in recent years."

Robinson mentioned during a dinner conversation with a family member that Kirk would be visiting Utah Valley University, according to Cox. Robinson and the family members discussed why they didn't like Kirk and his viewpoints, and the family member stated Kirk was "full of hate and spreading hate," Cox said.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359

If the suspect was a MAGA, why did he think Kirk was spreading hate?

Perhaps because he was indeed spreading hate?

I have family members who are MAGA. They do indeed have a moral compass and are against the spreading of hate.

From the guardian Suspect's high school classmate says Robinson was the only 'leftist' in a family of 'very hard' Republicans
Anna Betts

In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.

The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.

When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.

Oh wow. A former high school classmate that hasn't seen him for years. Case cracked wide open.

So what evidence has the news reported other than this that you have read? Post the link.

Absolutely hilarious that MAGAs are trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

Absolutely hilarious democrats aren’t trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

They trust every anonymous source otherwise.

Democrats do not trust every anonymous source.

The source--if a liar trying to shape narrative--would indeed go to a left leaning paper to establish credibility

You think someone called the Guardian and said they knew the shooter and the Guardian didn’t make sure the source was legitimate?

Someone could call the Guardian and actually be a legitimate source who actually knows the shooter, and then make up a lie that the shooter is a loony leftist to support a narrative. There isn’t any other source backing up that information, and this world is full of liars and trolls.

But I continue in my amusement at your vigorous defense of anonymous sourcing in the “liberal media.”

Quoting myself calling this accurately.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Turning Points is done completely, but without their main figure, they certainly won’t be putting out as much content anymore. Didn’t they sponsor a big meeting/convention every year? I’m sure that will continue, but stuff like the super high profile college visits are going to have to stop for now.

Who is their financial backer anyway ? I'm surprised left leaning sleuths haven't explored this route . A community college drop out doesn't get funding for his hate-filled factory out of thin air .

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Anonymous wrote:Erika Kirk is creepy. Watch a few videos of her. There is one in which she and Charlie confer about how she is "far more conservative than he is" and she proudly proclaims to be "very far right." She was also 5-6 years older than he was which is really atypical for their culture.

It’s so weird the alt-right and these super religious people have this weird look in their eyes.

You can tell when somebody is just pretending from moneybecause they don’t have crazy eyes

yep. she comes across very harsh.
There is nothing soft, Jesus-like, submissive wife about her which is weird because that is her message but her persona says she'd cut a bi$%tch in about 5 seconds flat.
I went down a whole Erika Kirk video rabbit trail the other night.

It’ll be interesting to see if she can continue TP. She certainly sounds as divisive as he was.

Erika Kirk vowed in a speech today to continue her husband’s movement and said that “the cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry,” USA Today reports.

Said Kirk: “If you thought that my husband’s mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you’ve just unleashed across this entire country, and this world. You have no idea the fire you’ve ignited within this wife.”

Battle cry? She's outright calling for political violence.

I'll give her some time to grieve as we all should, but this is still highly inappropriate and anyone echoing her sentiment calling for battle and violence should be shut down.

+1 but she won't be because calling for violence against "leftists" is okay and exactly what MAGA leadership wants

Anyone calling for political violence is just as horrible as the person who shot Charlie Kirk. Period.

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Wow! This is quite a widow’s battle cry.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Turning Points is done completely, but without their main figure, they certainly won’t be putting out as much content anymore. Didn’t they sponsor a big meeting/convention every year? I’m sure that will continue, but stuff like the super high profile college visits are going to have to stop for now.

Who is their financial backer anyway ? I'm surprised left leaning sleuths haven't explored this route . A community college drop out doesn't get funding for his hate-filled factory out of thin air .

Charlie Kirk's father worked for Trump and is tied in to Trump's network. That's how Charlie was able to build his organization.

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A lot of Kirk’s quotes are in this article from the Guardian. As a good Christian, the quote are full of love/s

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Turning Points is done completely, but without their main figure, they certainly won’t be putting out as much content anymore. Didn’t they sponsor a big meeting/convention every year? I’m sure that will continue, but stuff like the super high profile college visits are going to have to stop for now.

Charlie Kirk was 1 of 1. He was whip smart, was fearless, and would take on anyone in debate. He related to the younger crowd. There will never be another Charlie Kirk.
But, if you think this assassination and his death slows down this movement - you couldn't be more wrong.
It will be bigger, louder, stronger, and have more followers than before. You will not silence him. As someone said, his assassination has created a million more Charlie Kirks. The format of the college visits may be different, but they will continue. Just watch.

Whip smart college dropout lol yeah.

Stupid person’s idea of a smart person.

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One thing he did stand for was free speech.

His raison d’etre was shutting up college professors he didn’t like. That’s where everything else came from.
https://www.professorwatchlist.org/

He was only in favor of free speech for his diatribes.

This. He literally had a website dedicated to professors whose speech he disagreed with for his fans to harass.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are MAGA and you’re in denial that these radicals are your people, read this. If you have a son, read this:

https://jaredyatessexton.substack.com/p/the-threat-no-one-wants-to-talk-about

I’m bringing this article from page 297 up to here. This is a really important and good article about the online radicalization going on - primarily aimed at young men.

It is very clear this is the world that the killer lived in. His bright future somehow got derailed that first semester at college, he retreated into the online world and was increasingly isolated from society. The Fuentes/ Loomer world gave him some kind of validation that the loneliness he faced wasn’t his fault and a place he could channel his anger.

I also fear that although it is very clear this is what happened, that the Trump administration/ FBU is going to do all that it can to squelch this story. I wouldn’t put it past them to do a plea deal where if he pleads guilty and claims he was on the left that he can avoid the death penalty. It’s like Jan 6. At first most Republicans were also horrified by it. But then they came up with some talking points that enabled them all to shift the blame and not take responsibility.

So look carefully at what Trump and Patel say. This is a right on right issue that needs to be addressed. Don’t let them blame and vilify the Democrats for their radicalization issue.

And yes, make sure you are talking to your sons. There are a lot of them holed up in their game rooms in dialogue on discord and 4chan about a lot of these vile views.

Nope, drop your trope. It’s been proven false.

Wrong. It has NOT been "proven false" - but here you are falsely claiming it has, in disingenuous desperation to try and deflect attention away from the massive and very real alt-right radicalization problem we have afflicting young white males in America.

Lead investigator and Utah governor address this Friday.

Not because DCUM has its usual conspiracy theories and believes the whole country is the same, but because they’ve interviewed Tyler’s current roommate, family, socials/computer and him himself.

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Kirk made Kyle Rittenhouse out to be a hero and even had him speak to his teen groups as such.

Kirk harassed professors and encouraged his fans to do the same.

Kirk said it would be patriotic to bail out Pelosi’s husband’s attacker.

Kirk said that if his 10 year old was sexually assaulted, he would make her carry the baby.

Kirk’s group sent people to Jan 6.

Stop pretending there’s anything decent, reasonable, or Christian about him.

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sorry, David Shuster is not "disgraced" just because he used to work for MSNBC. He also worked for FOX, doesn't that raise his stature?

There is a lot of evidence coming out and it all points to the killer being immersed in a dark gaming world that is highly influenced by the alt-right. The only so-called evidence of left ideology is a clear misinterpretation, given that the reference is obviously to gaming, not to WWII (please, can we listen to the kids who are familiar with his world and stop pretending he was a history scholar?)

If new totally contradictory evidence comes out to show that he was in fact a radical leftist, I for one promise to come back to this thread and say, "I was wrong."

I'll take the opinion of a person who is close to the investigation - the Governor of Utah - over a reporter who evidently cannot hold a job very long at any given network and who knows nothing about the investigation and chooses to speculate about it. He has provided zero evidence of his claim.
And as for that "left ideology," all I need to hear was "Hey Fascist! Catch!" Sounds A LOT like the language the left has been spouting for about 10 years now.

Sure the Utah Gov is completely unbiased and has no horse in this race at all that would influence his opinions /s

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Anonymous wrote:If you are MAGA and you’re in denial that these radicals are your people, read this. If you have a son, read this:

https://jaredyatessexton.substack.com/p/the-threat-no-one-wants-to-talk-about

I’m bringing this article from page 297 up to here. This is a really important and good article about the online radicalization going on - primarily aimed at young men.

It is very clear this is the world that the killer lived in. His bright future somehow got derailed that first semester at college, he retreated into the online world and was increasingly isolated from society. The Fuentes/ Loomer world gave him some kind of validation that the loneliness he faced wasn’t his fault and a place he could channel his anger.

I also fear that although it is very clear this is what happened, that the Trump administration/ FBU is going to do all that it can to squelch this story. I wouldn’t put it past them to do a plea deal where if he pleads guilty and claims he was on the left that he can avoid the death penalty. It’s like Jan 6. At first most Republicans were also horrified by it. But then they came up with some talking points that enabled them all to shift the blame and not take responsibility.

So look carefully at what Trump and Patel say. This is a right on right issue that needs to be addressed. Don’t let them blame and vilify the Democrats for their radicalization issue.

And yes, make sure you are talking to your sons. There are a lot of them holed up in their game rooms in dialogue on discord and 4chan about a lot of these vile views.

Nope, drop your trope. It’s been proven false.

Wrong. It has NOT been "proven false" - but here you are falsely claiming it has, in disingenuous desperation to try and deflect attention away from the massive and very real alt-right radicalization problem we have afflicting young white males in America.

Lead investigator and Utah governor address this Friday.

Not because DCUM has its usual conspiracy theories and believes the whole country is the same, but because they’ve interviewed Tyler’s current roommate, family, socials/computer and him himself.

If they had left-wing evidence, they'd be out there on the front page with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on DCUM claimed that Charlie Kirk condoned the stoning of gay people. That sounded extreme, so I started looking into it. I came across a news story titled, “Stephen King Apologizes for Claiming Charlie Kirk ‘Advocated Stoning Gays’: ‘This Is What I Get for Reading X Without Fact-Checking.’” (https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/stephen-king-apologizes-charlie-kirk-stoning-gays-1236516429/)

It made me wonder: how many of the extreme, hateful claims attributed to Kirk are actually false? And how much did these falsehoods contribute to the climate that led to his assassination? He was compared to a Nazi, an accusation that, if widely accepted, would make his death something to be celebrated by many. But was that comparison fair?

Before he was assassinated, I had never even heard of him. Afterward, I read an article compiling his most well-known quotes (listed below). They were definitely conservative, but none struck me as Nazi-like. From what I saw, he was simply an American with right-leaning views, open to debate like anyone else in a democratic society.

Well-known Quotes of Charlie Kirk:
“Our founders did not establish this nation and shed their blood to see it become the world’s greatest debtor nation.”

“It is the responsibility of the individual to protect their own freedom and secure their own happiness.”

“Freedom is not about doing what feels good; it’s about doing what’s right.”

“The government does not create wealth, it simply redistributes it.”

“America is not perfect, but it is the greatest nation in the history of the world.”

“Capitalism is not a system that guarantees equal outcomes, but it is a system that guarantees equal opportunity.”

“Conservatism is not about status quo; it’s about returning to the principles that have stood the test of time.”

“The government’s job is not to make us equal, but to give us all equal rights.”

“Education should focus on teaching students how to think, not what to think.”

“Liberals believe in the power of government, conservatives believe in the power of the individual.”

“The left loves diversity of thought as long as everyone agrees with them.”

“The greatest threat to freedom is the temptation to trade it for security.”

“The government should be limited, not the dreams and ambitions of its citizens.”

“Success is not about who you know, it’s about what you know and what you do with it.”

“Patriotism is not about blind loyalty, but about recognizing the greatness and potential of your country.”

“Liberty is not a gift from government, it is a right bestowed upon us by our Creator.”

“The culture war is not about right vs. left, it’s about right vs. wrong.”

“Freedom is not free; it must be fought for and defended.”

“Big government is not the solution; it’s the problem.”

“Self-reliance is the fuel of success; dependency is the road to mediocrity.”

“The American Dream is not a guarantee, it’s an opportunity.”

“We are not entitled to anything; we must earn what we want in life.”

“Conservatism is not about hating change; it’s about preserving what is good and proven.”

“The principles that made America great are timeless; they are not bound by time, culture, or political correctness.”

“Progressivism is not about progress; it’s about control.”

“Liberty is not just a word, it’s a way of life.”

“The pursuit of happiness is not about material possessions, but about finding meaning and purpose in life.”

“Capitalism is not perfect, but it is the best economic system ever created.”

“The left wants to create equality of outcome, while the right seeks to create equality of opportunity.”

“The greatness of our nation lies in the power and potential of its individuals.”

The stoning thing is true though. The clip has been posted repeatedly. He doesn’t say it as directly as represented but he definitely endorsed stoning gay people as a way to teach them what God’s law is.

NO HE DIDN’T!!!!

Even lefty Stephen King understands his point.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Turning Points is done completely, but without their main figure, they certainly won’t be putting out as much content anymore. Didn’t they sponsor a big meeting/convention every year? I’m sure that will continue, but stuff like the super high profile college visits are going to have to stop for now.

Charlie Kirk was 1 of 1. He was whip smart, was fearless, and would take on anyone in debate. He related to the younger crowd. There will never be another Charlie Kirk.
But, if you think this assassination and his death slows down this movement - you couldn't be more wrong.
It will be bigger, louder, stronger, and have more followers than before. You will not silence him. As someone said, his assassination has created a million more Charlie Kirks. The format of the college visits may be different, but they will continue. Just watch.

Whip smart college dropout lol yeah.

Stupid person’s idea of a smart person.

+1. The bar is so low Dems - we can do it!