Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Turning Points is done completely, but without their main figure, they certainly won’t be putting out as much content anymore. Didn’t they sponsor a big meeting/convention every year? I’m sure that will continue, but stuff like the super high profile college visits are going to have to stop for now.

While I knew who Charlie Kirk was, I never paid much attention to him or understood how big his movement was.

After watching clips of him debating with college students, he is going to be difficult to replace. He was brilliant in his ability to come back with statistics and information.
Agree or disagree, he listened to others and had responses. You might not agree with him, but he was in control of his point of view and likely made a lot of young people think about what they stand for.

Some things he supported were common sense.
i agree with a lot of what he said--but not all.

I recommend listening to some of those debates that he took under challenging circumstances.

One thing he did stand for was free speech.

Meh. Memorizing talking points is not “brilliant.” Hundreds/thousands of kids learn to do that in college and HS debate every year. What is notable is his steadfast devotion to using that parlor trick to further the cause of his hateful views.

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sorry, David Shuster is not "disgraced" just because he used to work for MSNBC. He also worked for FOX, doesn't that raise his stature?

There is a lot of evidence coming out and it all points to the killer being immersed in a dark gaming world that is highly influenced by the alt-right. The only so-called evidence of left ideology is a clear misinterpretation, given that the reference is obviously to gaming, not to WWII (please, can we listen to the kids who are familiar with his world and stop pretending he was a history scholar?)

If new totally contradictory evidence comes out to show that he was in fact a radical leftist, I for one promise to come back to this thread and say, "I was wrong."

I'll take the opinion of a person who is close to the investigation - the Governor of Utah - over a reporter who evidently cannot hold a job very long at any given network and who knows nothing about the investigation and chooses to speculate about it. He has provided zero evidence of his claim.
And as for that "left ideology," all I need to hear was "Hey Fascist! Catch!" Sounds A LOT like the language the left has been spouting for about 10 years now.

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One thing he did stand for was free speech.

His raison d’etre was shutting up college professors he didn’t like. That’s where everything else came from.
https://www.professorwatchlist.org/

He was only in favor of free speech for his diatribes.

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Anonymous wrote:Erika Kirk is creepy. Watch a few videos of her. There is one in which she and Charlie confer about how she is "far more conservative than he is" and she proudly proclaims to be "very far right." She was also 5-6 years older than he was which is really atypical for their culture.

It’s so weird the alt-right and these super religious people have this weird look in their eyes.

You can tell when somebody is just pretending from moneybecause they don’t have crazy eyes

yep. she comes across very harsh.
There is nothing soft, Jesus-like, submissive wife about her which is weird because that is her message but her persona says she'd cut a bi$%tch in about 5 seconds flat.
I went down a whole Erika Kirk video rabbit trail the other night.

It’ll be interesting to see if she can continue TP. She certainly sounds as divisive as he was.

Erika Kirk vowed in a speech today to continue her husband’s movement and said that “the cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry,” USA Today reports.

Said Kirk: “If you thought that my husband’s mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you’ve just unleashed across this entire country, and this world. You have no idea the fire you’ve ignited within this wife.”

Hmm. Sorry, gravy train will stop:
1.Her husband had some warmth and charisma, she doesn't.
2. Also, the conservative ecosystem wants its males to lead large movements. Women influencers in the conservative sphere, of which there are many, have to fight for a much smaller slice of the pie and usually their followers are other conservative women.

This family is done for now. Maybe in the fullness of time she can marry another male influencer and carry him to success. This appears to be her talent: pushing a husband to lead. I respect that. It's no small feat.

Yes. She's the JD Vance of the pairing. No charisma, no warmth, no likability. Charlie had charisma in spades and just the right amount of good looks that appealed to both men and women, young people and their middle aged mothers.

Are you...blind? Charlie Kirk was hideous, almost deformed.

+1 His wife is beautiful, he wasn’t. His head and face were weird.

So, we are at the place in the discussion where you are criticizing the appearance of someone brutally murdered and the "charisma" of his widow.
DCUM never fails to disappoint in the shallowness of discussion. You people could have learned something from Charlie Kirk.

We did. Empathy is dangerous.

Amazing that people who say this also claim to be devout Christians

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Anonymous wrote:

sorry, David Shuster is not "disgraced" just because he used to work for MSNBC. He also worked for FOX, doesn't that raise his stature?

There is a lot of evidence coming out and it all points to the killer being immersed in a dark gaming world that is highly influenced by the alt-right. The only so-called evidence of left ideology is a clear misinterpretation, given that the reference is obviously to gaming, not to WWII (please, can we listen to the kids who are familiar with his world and stop pretending he was a history scholar?)

If new totally contradictory evidence comes out to show that he was in fact a radical leftist, I for one promise to come back to this thread and say, "I was wrong."

I'll take the opinion of a person who is close to the investigation - the Governor of Utah - over a reporter who evidently cannot hold a job very long at any given network and who knows nothing about the investigation and chooses to speculate about it. He has provided zero evidence of his claim.
And as for that "left ideology," all I need to hear was "Hey Fascist! Catch!" Sounds A LOT like the language the left has been spouting for about 10 years now.

It's a quote from a video game, which is obvious since those words were followed by keyboard symbols.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

sorry, David Shuster is not "disgraced" just because he used to work for MSNBC. He also worked for FOX, doesn't that raise his stature?

There is a lot of evidence coming out and it all points to the killer being immersed in a dark gaming world that is highly influenced by the alt-right. The only so-called evidence of left ideology is a clear misinterpretation, given that the reference is obviously to gaming, not to WWII (please, can we listen to the kids who are familiar with his world and stop pretending he was a history scholar?)

If new totally contradictory evidence comes out to show that he was in fact a radical leftist, I for one promise to come back to this thread and say, "I was wrong."

I'll take the opinion of a person who is close to the investigation - the Governor of Utah - over a reporter who evidently cannot hold a job very long at any given network and who knows nothing about the investigation and chooses to speculate about it. He has provided zero evidence of his claim.
And as for that "left ideology," all I need to hear was "Hey Fascist! Catch!" Sounds A LOT like the language the left has been spouting for about 10 years now.

I don't know how many times people have to tell you this. Can you read? Spencer Cox misspoke. Read the primary source. That is NOT what the family member said.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

sorry, David Shuster is not "disgraced" just because he used to work for MSNBC. He also worked for FOX, doesn't that raise his stature?

There is a lot of evidence coming out and it all points to the killer being immersed in a dark gaming world that is highly influenced by the alt-right. The only so-called evidence of left ideology is a clear misinterpretation, given that the reference is obviously to gaming, not to WWII (please, can we listen to the kids who are familiar with his world and stop pretending he was a history scholar?)

If new totally contradictory evidence comes out to show that he was in fact a radical leftist, I for one promise to come back to this thread and say, "I was wrong."

I'll take the opinion of a person who is close to the investigation - the Governor of Utah - over a reporter who evidently cannot hold a job very long at any given network and who knows nothing about the investigation and chooses to speculate about it. He has provided zero evidence of his claim.
And as for that "left ideology," all I need to hear was "Hey Fascist! Catch!" Sounds A LOT like the language the left has been spouting for about 10 years now.

Sure, hold out hope. The MAGA government and its rabid fanbase are like alligators at feeding time waiting for "leftist" evidence. If it existed, Trump would be the first one out there with it.

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Hmmm

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/charlie-kirk-shooting-arrest-tyler-robinson/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Turning Points is done completely, but without their main figure, they certainly won’t be putting out as much content anymore. Didn’t they sponsor a big meeting/convention every year? I’m sure that will continue, but stuff like the super high profile college visits are going to have to stop for now.

While I knew who Charlie Kirk was, I never paid much attention to him or understood how big his movement was.

After watching clips of him debating with college students, he is going to be difficult to replace. He was brilliant in his ability to come back with statistics and information.
Agree or disagree, he listened to others and had responses. You might not agree with him, but he was in control of his point of view and likely made a lot of young people think about what they stand for.

Some things he supported were common sense.
i agree with a lot of what he said--but not all.

I recommend listening to some of those debates that he took under challenging circumstances.

One thing he did stand for was free speech.

He did agree with free speech. And what happened to him is horrific.

He was only brilliant when debating below average college students. Try looking some debates with smart kids and he's not so brilliant. I am not saying this to be mean. Ben Shapiro comes across as someone articulate with quick processing speed. Charlie Kirk only looks brilliant next to the most mediocre interlocutors.

He did NOT believe in free speech. Kirk and TPUSA engaged in concerted campaigns to get professors fired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erika Kirk is creepy. Watch a few videos of her. There is one in which she and Charlie confer about how she is "far more conservative than he is" and she proudly proclaims to be "very far right." She was also 5-6 years older than he was which is really atypical for their culture.

It’s so weird the alt-right and these super religious people have this weird look in their eyes.

You can tell when somebody is just pretending from moneybecause they don’t have crazy eyes

yep. she comes across very harsh.
There is nothing soft, Jesus-like, submissive wife about her which is weird because that is her message but her persona says she'd cut a bi$%tch in about 5 seconds flat.
I went down a whole Erika Kirk video rabbit trail the other night.

It’ll be interesting to see if she can continue TP. She certainly sounds as divisive as he was.

Erika Kirk vowed in a speech today to continue her husband’s movement and said that “the cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry,” USA Today reports.

Said Kirk: “If you thought that my husband’s mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you’ve just unleashed across this entire country, and this world. You have no idea the fire you’ve ignited within this wife.”

Hmm. Sorry, gravy train will stop:
1.Her husband had some warmth and charisma, she doesn't.
2. Also, the conservative ecosystem wants its males to lead large movements. Women influencers in the conservative sphere, of which there are many, have to fight for a much smaller slice of the pie and usually their followers are other conservative women.

This family is done for now. Maybe in the fullness of time she can marry another male influencer and carry him to success. This appears to be her talent: pushing a husband to lead. I respect that. It's no small feat.

Yes. She's the JD Vance of the pairing. No charisma, no warmth, no likability. Charlie had charisma in spades and just the right amount of good looks that appealed to both men and women, young people and their middle aged mothers.

Good looks ???? 😀😀😀😀😀😀

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Anonymous wrote:He went to college campuses for the same reason that Scientology has a presence on college campuses.

I’m trying to understand why Charlie Kirk going to a college campus to inject extreme right wing views into the discourse is “reasonable, common sense discussion”, but a college professor teaching a subject in their field of expertise is “liberal brainwashing and indoctrination”. Seems backwards.

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Can someone explain how the term groyper came to be. I thought it was a play on the Yiddish word goy, a person who is non-jewish. Coming from someone like Fuentes, it seemed fitting.

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Someone on DCUM claimed that Charlie Kirk condoned the stoning of gay people. That sounded extreme, so I started looking into it. I came across a news story titled, “Stephen King Apologizes for Claiming Charlie Kirk ‘Advocated Stoning Gays’: ‘This Is What I Get for Reading X Without Fact-Checking.’” (https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/stephen-king-apologizes-charlie-kirk-stoning-gays-1236516429/)

It made me wonder: how many of the extreme, hateful claims attributed to Kirk are actually false? And how much did these falsehoods contribute to the climate that led to his assassination? He was compared to a Nazi, an accusation that, if widely accepted, would make his death something to be celebrated by many. But was that comparison fair?

Before he was assassinated, I had never even heard of him. Afterward, I read an article compiling his most well-known quotes (listed below). They were definitely conservative, but none struck me as Nazi-like. From what I saw, he was simply an American with right-leaning views, open to debate like anyone else in a democratic society.

Well-known Quotes of Charlie Kirk:
“Our founders did not establish this nation and shed their blood to see it become the world’s greatest debtor nation.”

“It is the responsibility of the individual to protect their own freedom and secure their own happiness.”

“Freedom is not about doing what feels good; it’s about doing what’s right.”

“The government does not create wealth, it simply redistributes it.”

“America is not perfect, but it is the greatest nation in the history of the world.”

“Capitalism is not a system that guarantees equal outcomes, but it is a system that guarantees equal opportunity.”

“Conservatism is not about status quo; it’s about returning to the principles that have stood the test of time.”

“The government’s job is not to make us equal, but to give us all equal rights.”

“Education should focus on teaching students how to think, not what to think.”

“Liberals believe in the power of government, conservatives believe in the power of the individual.”

“The left loves diversity of thought as long as everyone agrees with them.”

“The greatest threat to freedom is the temptation to trade it for security.”

“The government should be limited, not the dreams and ambitions of its citizens.”

“Success is not about who you know, it’s about what you know and what you do with it.”

“Patriotism is not about blind loyalty, but about recognizing the greatness and potential of your country.”

“Liberty is not a gift from government, it is a right bestowed upon us by our Creator.”

“The culture war is not about right vs. left, it’s about right vs. wrong.”

“Freedom is not free; it must be fought for and defended.”

“Big government is not the solution; it’s the problem.”

“Self-reliance is the fuel of success; dependency is the road to mediocrity.”

“The American Dream is not a guarantee, it’s an opportunity.”

“We are not entitled to anything; we must earn what we want in life.”

“Conservatism is not about hating change; it’s about preserving what is good and proven.”

“The principles that made America great are timeless; they are not bound by time, culture, or political correctness.”

“Progressivism is not about progress; it’s about control.”

“Liberty is not just a word, it’s a way of life.”

“The pursuit of happiness is not about material possessions, but about finding meaning and purpose in life.”

“Capitalism is not perfect, but it is the best economic system ever created.”

“The left wants to create equality of outcome, while the right seeks to create equality of opportunity.”

“The greatness of our nation lies in the power and potential of its individuals.”

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Turning Points is done completely, but without their main figure, they certainly won’t be putting out as much content anymore. Didn’t they sponsor a big meeting/convention every year? I’m sure that will continue, but stuff like the super high profile college visits are going to have to stop for now.

Charlie Kirk was 1 of 1. He was whip smart, was fearless, and would take on anyone in debate. He related to the younger crowd. There will never be another Charlie Kirk.
But, if you think this assassination and his death slows down this movement - you couldn't be more wrong.
It will be bigger, louder, stronger, and have more followers than before. You will not silence him. As someone said, his assassination has created a million more Charlie Kirks. The format of the college visits may be different, but they will continue. Just watch.

Whip smart college dropout lol yeah.

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Anonymous wrote:

sorry, David Shuster is not "disgraced" just because he used to work for MSNBC. He also worked for FOX, doesn't that raise his stature?

There is a lot of evidence coming out and it all points to the killer being immersed in a dark gaming world that is highly influenced by the alt-right. The only so-called evidence of left ideology is a clear misinterpretation, given that the reference is obviously to gaming, not to WWII (please, can we listen to the kids who are familiar with his world and stop pretending he was a history scholar?)

If new totally contradictory evidence comes out to show that he was in fact a radical leftist, I for one promise to come back to this thread and say, "I was wrong."

I'll take the opinion of a person who is close to the investigation - the Governor of Utah - over a reporter who evidently cannot hold a job very long at any given network and who knows nothing about the investigation and chooses to speculate about it. He has provided zero evidence of his claim.
And as for that "left ideology," all I need to hear was "Hey Fascist! Catch!" Sounds A LOT like the language the left has been spouting for about 10 years now.

It's a quote from a video game, which is obvious since those words were followed by keyboard symbols.

At this point, whoever is still using that fascist line as leftwing evidence is just intellectually challenged, willfully ignorant, or deliberately spreading misinformation.