Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question…why do people with kids already in Oakton HS care?

I don't have any high schoolers but perhaps property value concerns?

That’s fair but is that something known that would actually happen? I mean are homes in FF zoned to Chantilly different in price than those zoned to Oakton?

I just did a look at houses for sale in the neighborhoods being considered for KAA. It depends mostly on the size of the houses. Similar houses in the neighborhoods go for similar prices. No extreme differences that I can tell in pricing. The Franklin Farm houses zoned for Chantilly are, in some cases, a little smaller. But, they go for very good prices.
People generally really like Chantily High School, but they know it is very crowded and realize KAA will be a good school, too. They do not want a magnet, though.

Thank you for doing that, I was under the same impression. All the schools in the area have some great merits but as you have rightfully pointed out Chantilly and Centreville are frequently highly rated for academics alongside obviously Oakton.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question…why do people with kids already in Oakton HS care?

I don't have any high schoolers but perhaps property value concerns?

That’s fair but is that something known that would actually happen? I mean are homes in FF zoned to Chantilly different in price than those zoned to Oakton?

No

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Anonymous wrote:If less crossfield family go to the new high school. It will save a lot spots for the surrounding ES that will be impact by the new school boundary, and less split feeder issues too. Plus many of the western schools are way overcapacity and have a stronger need.

Crossfield stay in oakton does not hurting my interest a single bit, but bring my kids more opportunity

Let us stop playing this jealousy jargon.

Please stop posting.

Why?

There is truth to what PP said. I don’t know why people are mad at the Crossfield parents who want to stay.

If they don’t go to KAA, then let the others go. It’s not a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:If less crossfield family go to the new high school. It will save a lot spots for the surrounding ES that will be impact by the new school boundary, and less split feeder issues too. Plus many of the western schools are way overcapacity and have a stronger need.

Crossfield stay in oakton does not hurting my interest a single bit, but bring my kids more opportunity

Let us stop playing this jealousy jargon.

Please stop posting.

Why?

There is truth to what PP said. I don’t know why people are mad at the Crossfield parents who want to stay.

If they don’t go to KAA, then let the others go. It’s not a big deal.

We all know you’re the same poster again who doesn’t know when to stop talking at the meetings. You seem to have no understanding of how boundaries work. People aren’t going to get to choose after 2 years. The most vocal people are going to get to choose for their own kids while denying younger families the chance to go to a closer school with friends from middle school. Moving Crossfield aligns with two of the school board’s stated goals: reducing transportation times and reducing split feeders. Those are facts. Sorry you don’t like them. You want to be guaranteed to go to a particular high school? Move close to it.

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Anonymous wrote:If less crossfield family go to the new high school. It will save a lot spots for the surrounding ES that will be impact by the new school boundary, and less split feeder issues too. Plus many of the western schools are way overcapacity and have a stronger need.

Crossfield stay in oakton does not hurting my interest a single bit, but bring my kids more opportunity

Let us stop playing this jealousy jargon.

Please stop posting.

Why?

There is truth to what PP said. I don’t know why people are mad at the Crossfield parents who want to stay.

If they don’t go to KAA, then let the others go. It’s not a big deal.

We all know you’re the same poster again who doesn’t know when to stop talking at the meetings. You seem to have no understanding of how boundaries work. People aren’t going to get to choose after 2 years. The most vocal people are going to get to choose for their own kids while denying younger families the chance to go to a closer school with friends from middle school. Moving Crossfield aligns with two of the school board’s stated goals: reducing transportation times and reducing split feeders. Those are facts. Sorry you don’t like them. You want to be guaranteed to go to a particular high school? Move close to it.

Some valid points but even living close to a school doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed to be zoned there now or ever.

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Anonymous wrote:If less crossfield family go to the new high school. It will save a lot spots for the surrounding ES that will be impact by the new school boundary, and less split feeder issues too. Plus many of the western schools are way overcapacity and have a stronger need.

Crossfield stay in oakton does not hurting my interest a single bit, but bring my kids more opportunity

Let us stop playing this jealousy jargon.

Please stop posting.

Why?

There is truth to what PP said. I don’t know why people are mad at the Crossfield parents who want to stay.

If they don’t go to KAA, then let the others go. It’s not a big deal.

We all know you’re the same poster again who doesn’t know when to stop talking at the meetings. You seem to have no understanding of how boundaries work. People aren’t going to get to choose after 2 years. The most vocal people are going to get to choose for their own kids while denying younger families the chance to go to a closer school with friends from middle school. Moving Crossfield aligns with two of the school board’s stated goals: reducing transportation times and reducing split feeders. Those are facts. Sorry you don’t like them. You want to be guaranteed to go to a particular high school? Move close to it.

Dp

Sounds like your resigned to crossfield staying with Oakton.

People are free to speak their mind. Why did only one person stand up and interrupt the meeting then to advocate for crossfield to move to western? I mean if that's what the community wants surely they would speak up more often

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Anonymous wrote:If less crossfield family go to the new high school. It will save a lot spots for the surrounding ES that will be impact by the new school boundary, and less split feeder issues too. Plus many of the western schools are way overcapacity and have a stronger need.

Crossfield stay in oakton does not hurting my interest a single bit, but bring my kids more opportunity

Let us stop playing this jealousy jargon.

Please stop posting.

Why?

There is truth to what PP said. I don’t know why people are mad at the Crossfield parents who want to stay.

If they don’t go to KAA, then let the others go. It’s not a big deal.

We all know you’re the same poster again who doesn’t know when to stop talking at the meetings. You seem to have no understanding of how boundaries work. People aren’t going to get to choose after 2 years. The most vocal people are going to get to choose for their own kids while denying younger families the chance to go to a closer school with friends from middle school. Moving Crossfield aligns with two of the school board’s stated goals: reducing transportation times and reducing split feeders. Those are facts. Sorry you don’t like them. You want to be guaranteed to go to a particular high school? Move close to it.

Not at all. I just know a few Crossfield parents.

People became unnecessarily nasty toward the Crossfield parents who want to stay.

They have every right to express their opinion and pitch their case just like everyone else.

If you don’t agree, you can also speak up at the meetings and email the board.

In the end, it’s the board that will make the decision.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone without a dog in the fight for Oakton, the hate for Herndon residents advocating to stay there is pretty over the top.

Because demanding to be zoned to a specific school when there are closer schools is pretty eyeroll worthy.

Depends on where you live, not everyone is a Franklin farm person. It's a shorter drive to oakton for me than western.

There is no place in the Crossfield boundary that is closer to Oakton HS than the new Western HS, not even close.

Check the drive times.

Their drive time is not judged by you. If their parents do not mind the drive. Why would you?

Because some of the parents think the drive time is too long and want to go to the new school. Some parents are very devoted to Oakton regardless of the drive time. The schools population is divided, like every other school in this process. The Oakton split seems to be massive with the parents who want to move being worried about the social implications of loudly saying that they want to move and angering the families that want to stay.

It seems like many more are in support of staying.

Agree. It's hard to believe the claim that there's this great majority being pressured into silence by elementary school social dynamics. One or two social groups, sure. But a lot of people?

These boundary debates always devolve in the same manner. No one wants to be given what they perceive as a downgrade in schools.

Nobody is being pressured into silence, it's just that there is a very vocal and organized minority that consists primarily of parents with older children who have known each other for years. People with younger kids don't know each other/aren't on Facebook/are having a harder time organizing. Also it's tough to go against the PTO Board.

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Anonymous wrote:As suspected, Meren was putting her own slant on the Western HS timeline in her newsletter. KMcDaniel's just came in my email:

Western High School Update
The new Western High School represents one of the most significant opportunities for Fairfax County in decades, and the first new public high school to open in nearly twenty years.

This acquisition is both strategic and fiscally responsible. Building a new high school in that area from scratch, which has been planned for years, was estimated to cost over $400 million plus an additional $150 million to acquire the land. By purchasing this property for $150 million, FCPS saved taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars and delivered a turn-key asset immediately. The facility will serve 2,000 students and is planned to open for the 2026-27 school year.

Community engagement is underway, and I wanted to thank those who have shared their feedback. Nearly 1,000 families and students attended the October 25 open house to tour the campus and hear firsthand the planning that is ongoing.

The Superintendent has recommended, and I agree with her recommendation, that the school be a “traditional” comprehensive high school with geographic boundaries to alleviate capacity and transportation challenges in the western Fairfax County communities.

Following extensive public comment, the Superintendent is also recommending that the window for public input be extended into the spring, after the ongoing County-wide boundary review process has completed. I agree with this recommendation as it allows more time for programming decisions to be made and for more public input on the boundaries. That being said, this would not change the planned opening for the 2026-2027 school year, and I would not support delaying the opening in any way.

Lastly, I have heard from several families regarding the phasing plans for the new school. These plans will ultimately be approved by the School Board, and my view is that they are generous and allow for opting into or out of the school for the first few years of its opening, with a very clear cut-off date for phasing. The boundaries are still being formulated, but I would anticipate impacts to Westfield, South Lakes, Oakton, Chantilly, and Centreville High Schools. Please continue to reach out to me or your district representative with feedback.

Yes, but doesn't Kyle McDaniel benefit financially from any aviation magnet program that gets added to this high school?

No, you or someone else has been trying to push this narrative, but so far I've found him to be the person that is providing the most information on the progress of the high school and what the board is actually doing. Plus, there's no magnet or any other program going in at least for another 5-10 years. They just need to get the school open.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above... the school doesn't have a full set of fields and interior layout doesn't lend itself to a traditional high school. Instead of spending TENS OF MILLIONS more to make it a traditional high school, house a variety of specialty and choice programs and academies (fine arts, AI and data science, aerospace, early childhood, IB, etc.). Attendance doesn't need to be limited exclusively to Western HS but obviously will be heavily slanted that way (can even reserve a minimum set of seats for other Western HS to ensure their capacity is addressed, though I think self-selection due to travel times will address this sufficiently).

This provides the needed capacity relief to western HS, expands and diversifies FCPS' program offerings, and kids can continue to play sports at their base schools if they want that experience on top of the specialty programming.

Turning this school into a traditional neighborhood school would be squandering a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for FCPS.

You want the equivalent of a DC Charter School. Turning it into a school housing a variety of specialty and choice programs and academies (fine arts, AI and data science, aerospace, early childhood, IB, etc.) would be squandering a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for FCPS.

By that statement, FCPS should have opened South County as an opt-in site with a variety of special programs. SCSS opened with grades 7-11 for SY2005-06. SY2006-07 had grade 12. SY2023-13 the middle school opened.

This has a middle school, Carson. FCPS should clean up all the AAP MS shuffles and boundaries as part of this endeavor for Liberty, Stone, Rocky Run, Franklin, Carson.

Correct, I'm advocating that we learn from our mistakes rather than repeat them. The shortsighted one-size-fits-all approach, especially for a facility that was physically constructed in a unique way not easily compatible with a traditional comprehensive high school model, unfortunately seems to be full steam ahead.

LOL, no you're just "rooted in Oakton".

https://rootedinoakton.com/

Imagine that, they're using the phony, made up $60 million renovation cost number. The 'repeat a lie until you convince other people it's true' approach we're all familiar with.

Their website is FULL OF LIES. I will never donate to the Crossfield PTO ever again.

Sounds almost exactly like the posts from the FairFacts poster on Nextdoor.

Have you read the website, LOL!

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question…why do people with kids already in Oakton HS care?

I don't have any high schoolers but perhaps property value concerns?

That's pathetic. Have you looked at property values in the area? There are $1-2M houses zoned to South Lakes, Westfield, and Chantilly. Your property value will not decline with a rezone to Western.

Your property value may have originally been high because of the school it was zoned to, but NOW it's high because of location and proximity to all the tech companies in Reston/Herndon/Loudoun and ease of access to the Dulles Toll Road, 66, and 28.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys! Crossfield is not asking to move to the new school like some SL family asked to move to the new school. All crossfield family is asking with no change for them and stay within boundary that they have been assigned to prior to this boundary review mass.

Why you guys hate crossfield/Oakton, no need.

The Crossfield people asking to stay are just trying to get their older kids through with no changes. Those of us with younger kids can see how Oakton will be overcrowded very soon and know our kids will have to get moved. We'd rather be at the new school than at South Lakes.

Why do you assume that everyone only has older kids?

Because if they had younger kids they'd put a little thought into it and realize the decision for their younger kids is between the new Western HS or South Lakes. Oakton is off the table for us if you have just a few brain cells to rub together and look at what's coming.

There's a ton of what ifs. You make it sound like it's a done deal.

Within south lakes current borders you have all of the development going on near the new metro stations which will expand their student population. There's a lot of cleared land around the metro with new condos and townhouses as well.

Who knows what a new board will do in the future let alone the composition of a new board.

Anyone with more than a few braincells might see this as increased density closer to south lakes builds up.

If Crossfield doesn't go to the Western HS now then Fox Mill will. South Lakes will have a ton of capacity in that case. Oakton is already projected over 100% next year. Someone else posted like 6 different very large residential developments already approved for the Oakton boundary a few pages ago - literally thousands of homes. The metro condos and townhouses pale in comparison and will yield fewer children per unit than developments further from metro. Oakton, Chantilly, and the new Western school will all be too full for Crossfield. Where do you think we'll end up?

Did you see how many new units are coming into whelie?

The 2 new 30 story condo.buildijgs just opened. That's BVLD and Marriot adding another 500 units the Issac Newton redevelopment zoned for 2100 homes per the master plan, the two office buildings are coming down for an ETA development for 1100 units. comstock has a development there with at least 421 units.

that's 4100+ units coming online shortly within south lakes current boundary, but sure let's make the sudden conclusion that crossfield is getting moved to South lakes...

Use those few braincells and you might see that south lakes may need an expansion soon.

Friend, use your brain cells - very few condo dwellers have high schoolers. Those are for young tech workers who are then going to get married, have kids, and buy your house in Franklin Farm when you age out (thus keeping your property value high - regardless of what HS it is zoned to) because it's close to where they work.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys! Crossfield is not asking to move to the new school like some SL family asked to move to the new school. All crossfield family is asking with no change for them and stay within boundary that they have been assigned to prior to this boundary review mass.

Why you guys hate crossfield/Oakton, no need.

The Crossfield people asking to stay are just trying to get their older kids through with no changes. Those of us with younger kids can see how Oakton will be overcrowded very soon and know our kids will have to get moved. We'd rather be at the new school than at South Lakes.

Why do you assume that everyone only has older kids?

Because if they had younger kids they'd put a little thought into it and realize the decision for their younger kids is between the new Western HS or South Lakes. Oakton is off the table for us if you have just a few brain cells to rub together and look at what's coming.

There's a ton of what ifs. You make it sound like it's a done deal.

Within south lakes current borders you have all of the development going on near the new metro stations which will expand their student population. There's a lot of cleared land around the metro with new condos and townhouses as well.

Who knows what a new board will do in the future let alone the composition of a new board.

Anyone with more than a few braincells might see this as increased density closer to south lakes builds up.

If Crossfield doesn't go to the Western HS now then Fox Mill will. South Lakes will have a ton of capacity in that case. Oakton is already projected over 100% next year. Someone else posted like 6 different very large residential developments already approved for the Oakton boundary a few pages ago - literally thousands of homes. The metro condos and townhouses pale in comparison and will yield fewer children per unit than developments further from metro. Oakton, Chantilly, and the new Western school will all be too full for Crossfield. Where do you think we'll end up?

Did you see how many new units are coming into whelie?

The 2 new 30 story condo.buildijgs just opened. That's BVLD and Marriot adding another 500 units the Issac Newton redevelopment zoned for 2100 homes per the master plan, the two office buildings are coming down for an ETA development for 1100 units. comstock has a development there with at least 421 units.

that's 4100+ units coming online shortly within south lakes current boundary, but sure let's make the sudden conclusion that crossfield is getting moved to South lakes...

Use those few braincells and you might see that south lakes may need an expansion soon.

Friend, use your brain cells - very few condo dwellers have high schoolers. Those are for young tech workers who are then going to get married, have kids, and buy your house in Franklin Farm when you age out (thus keeping your property value high - regardless of what HS it is zoned to) because it's close to where they work.

There are several new construction three bedroom townhouse condo developments in South Lakes boundary, as well.

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So does this mean Franklin farm want to go to the new high school, non franklin farm want to stay? Where is Franklin farm?

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys! Crossfield is not asking to move to the new school like some SL family asked to move to the new school. All crossfield family is asking with no change for them and stay within boundary that they have been assigned to prior to this boundary review mass.

Why you guys hate crossfield/Oakton, no need.

The Crossfield people asking to stay are just trying to get their older kids through with no changes. Those of us with younger kids can see how Oakton will be overcrowded very soon and know our kids will have to get moved. We'd rather be at the new school than at South Lakes.

Why do you assume that everyone only has older kids?

Because if they had younger kids they'd put a little thought into it and realize the decision for their younger kids is between the new Western HS or South Lakes. Oakton is off the table for us if you have just a few brain cells to rub together and look at what's coming.

There's a ton of what ifs. You make it sound like it's a done deal.

Within south lakes current borders you have all of the development going on near the new metro stations which will expand their student population. There's a lot of cleared land around the metro with new condos and townhouses as well.

Who knows what a new board will do in the future let alone the composition of a new board.

Anyone with more than a few braincells might see this as increased density closer to south lakes builds up.

If Crossfield doesn't go to the Western HS now then Fox Mill will. South Lakes will have a ton of capacity in that case. Oakton is already projected over 100% next year. Someone else posted like 6 different very large residential developments already approved for the Oakton boundary a few pages ago - literally thousands of homes. The metro condos and townhouses pale in comparison and will yield fewer children per unit than developments further from metro. Oakton, Chantilly, and the new Western school will all be too full for Crossfield. Where do you think we'll end up?

Did you see how many new units are coming into whelie?

The 2 new 30 story condo.buildijgs just opened. That's BVLD and Marriot adding another 500 units the Issac Newton redevelopment zoned for 2100 homes per the master plan, the two office buildings are coming down for an ETA development for 1100 units. comstock has a development there with at least 421 units.

that's 4100+ units coming online shortly within south lakes current boundary, but sure let's make the sudden conclusion that crossfield is getting moved to South lakes...

Use those few braincells and you might see that south lakes may need an expansion soon.

Friend, use your brain cells - very few condo dwellers have high schoolers. Those are for young tech workers who are then going to get married, have kids, and buy your house in Franklin Farm when you age out (thus keeping your property value high - regardless of what HS it is zoned to) because it's close to where they work.

Did you read the master plan for that area?

It's high density for sure, but not all condos.

I don't live in Franklin Farm. I live on the east side of west ox with low density housing. You know the ones closer to... OAKTON