So what kind of King will Charles be?

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Anonymous wrote:Charles promoted William to PoW the second the Queen passed. It’s petty of him to hold out on the Edinburgh title for his brother who by all accounts has served loyally.

Which one? Edward or Andrew?

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Anonymous wrote:Shall we place bets on who Charles gives new titles to? I think Edward will be named Duke of edinborough, but Archie and Lili will not be named prince or princess due to “slimming down the monarchy. Going forward George’s children will have titles but not Charlotte or Louis’s children.

The Sussex children became prince and princess as soon as their grandfather became king.

Theoretically. But not officially. Check the Royal website. The Wales were updated but not Archie and Lili.

https://www.royal.uk/succession

It’s possible it’s not going to happen.

There’s nothing official. They are prince and princess, providing their parents want to call them that. The only question is whether they get the HRH.

If they are going to be Prince and Princess, that sight will be updated. Someone has made a conscious choice not to do it (yet.) I’d be surprised if they are given HRH being that their parents are not allowed to use HRH.

I have to admit it would irritate me to no end that there's a Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie and my kids didn't get the same title. And I understand there is protocol and minutiae and differentiation between HRH and Prince/Princess, but it's these little digs that continue to drive gossip and create more ill will. If I was Charles, that would be my primary concern with my family legacy. Because there's no mistake about it, if God forbid a plague wipes out everyone from Charles to Louis, Harry is the monarch. Everyone knows that. Don't create an artificial distinction under the guise of slimming down the Royal family. It can be decided/implemented in William's generation.

You say you do and then say to change it. If everyone is killed by a plague who is the king will be the last thing people worry about.

But Beatrice and Eugenia are grand kids, not great grand kids. Do their children have titles?

Harry's children are the grandchildren of the current King. I'm saying if you are going to cut grandkids out of titles, start it in a generation where it's expected. Like put it into policy (or whatever) now that after Charles only the children and grandchildren of the direct descendant/first in line to the throne will receive the title Prince and Princess, restricting it to George's children when William is King and then George's firstborn child's children when George is King.

Seems like a streamlined process that everyone understand like 20-25 years in advance so we don't have to read endless stories about it being a shock or whatever.

+1, this makes better sense from the perspective of public perception (which is everything for the monarchy at this point) because if there is a clear rule that is applied across the board, it feels formal and fair (or at least as fair as titles that are literally handed down based on what family you were born to can be, but anyway). When these things are left to the discretion of the monarch AND the monarch seems to hedge on them and dole them out on her favorites or when she is in a good mood, the whole thing looks petty and corrupt and dumb.

Elizabeth was very good at certain aspects of her job but one of her weaknesses was that she 100% played favorites and when that played out in a public way (such as when doling out titles), it only gave people opposed to the monarchy on principle ammunition. Charles wants to take that ammunition away -- he wants to streamline everything so that when people look at who represents the royal family and where money is spent, they can explicitly say "these are the formal duties and charitable activities of this person, and here is how their hard work supports England and is to the benefit of its people." Or at least that's where he is reportedly leaning. And I think it's shrewd. If he wants to protect his sons and their children and the institution to which he has dedicated his entire life, he needs to think critically like this.

They would not give them a christening at Windsor or a public photo with the Queen, you think they will give them princely titles? Charles will want to repair the personal relationship but never at the expense of the institution or the legacy of the family. Harry was given an awesome start in life and tens of millions dollars of seed money, time to make his own way in life. The Royal family has let them be and moved on with their lives and jobs.

His seed money came from Diana. I wonder if he got more than William.

No, most came from Queen Mother who did in fact leave the bulk to Harry because William would be king and a billionaire. Also, Charles cut them a large check when they left the Royal Family. Plus Diana's money. Plus the money from the book deal. Harry left the Royal Family a very wealthy man. He wants billionaire status and lifestyle. I don't think that will materialize, but it's not because he did not start out with a shit ton of money, connections and privilege's.

Why would the QM put Harry above all her other great grandchildren?

Harry is a granchild not great granchild fyi

Harry is indeed a great-grandchild of the Queen Mother.

Sorry I thought we were talking about Queen Elizabeth II his grandmother. Who has time to go back and read every bit?

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Anonymous wrote:Charles promoted William to PoW the second the Queen passed. It’s petty of him to hold out on the Edinburgh title for his brother who by all accounts has served loyally.

Which one? Edward or Andrew?

Edward wants the Duke of Edinburg title. It’s Charles to grant or not grant.

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Anonymous wrote:Charles promoted William to PoW the second the Queen passed. It’s petty of him to hold out on the Edinburgh title for his brother who by all accounts has served loyally.

Which one? Edward or Andrew?

Edward wants the Duke of Edinburg title. It’s Charles to grant or not grant.

I guess we shall see!

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Charles first action will be changing the law so that Andrew and Beatrice and maybe Harry depending on what they negotiate are off the council and not in line to sit in for the monarch.

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Pettiness over who gets titles and who doesn’t get titles is ultimately going to do the royal family in.

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Anonymous wrote:Charles first action will be changing the law so that Andrew and Beatrice and maybe Harry depending on what they negotiate are off the council and not in line to sit in for the monarch.

I get Harry and Andrew but, why Beatrice?

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Anonymous wrote:Charles first action will be changing the law so that Andrew and Beatrice and maybe Harry depending on what they negotiate are off the council and not in line to sit in for the monarch.

I get Harry and Andrew but, why Beatrice?

I believe it’s the first 5 adults in the line of succession. Charles wants to remove non-working royals from this list and Beatrice is not a working royal. Anne or Edward would be better, even though they are technically lower in the LOS.

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What is a working royal? How exactly do they work?

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Anonymous wrote:What is a working royal? How exactly do they work?

Select number of members of the Royal Family that assist the Monarch carry out “Head of State” and other constitutional responsibilities for the UK and several Commonwealth countries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_the_United_Kingdom

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Anonymous wrote:DoE has only been used three times since 1726. Charles doesn’t have to give it to anyone and may pass down to William when he is King. It will continue to pass down to next generation. I know they could create Duchess of E but does the Edinburg title to males?

It was announced that Prince Phillip, the Queen, and the then Prince of Wales agreed that Edward would get it. Because Charles was the eldest son, he automatically inherited it, and the Queen couldn’t just give it to someone else. Now that Charles is king, the title is part of the Crown, so Charles can hand it out. Edward and Sophie have kept their noses very clean, so no way Charles doesn’t do it,

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Anonymous wrote:Pettiness over who gets titles and who doesn’t get titles is ultimately going to do the royal family in.

Really? You think that's going to be the final straw? Just like Charles would never be King, right?

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Anonymous wrote:DoE has only been used three times since 1726. Charles doesn’t have to give it to anyone and may pass down to William when he is King. It will continue to pass down to next generation. I know they could create Duchess of E but does the Edinburg title to males?

It was announced that Prince Phillip, the Queen, and the then Prince of Wales agreed that Edward would get it. Because Charles was the eldest son, he automatically inherited it, and the Queen couldn’t just give it to someone else. Now that Charles is king, the title is part of the Crown, so Charles can hand it out. Edward and Sophie have kept their noses very clean, so no way Charles doesn’t do it,

Hmm more like they’ve kept their noses brown.

I think he’ll try to avoid it. His reference clearly is to not have extra royals around and Edward is not a friend. If he delays, it will force Edward and Sophie to either keep their mouths shut graciously and stay out of sight (meaning people forget about them and they never get it) or Sophie amps up her press leaking to get sympathy stories which could piss off Charles. If there is too much press either in getting the title or lobbying for it, the press may go after outing Edward.

Without Harry and Megan around, the press needs a villain or scandal. Andrew can keep them busy on that front but Edward being gay will be on the table. The palace would likely trade an Edward is gay reveal to bury another William cheating story.

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Anonymous wrote:Charles promoted William to PoW the second the Queen passed. It’s petty of him to hold out on the Edinburgh title for his brother who by all accounts has served loyally.

Which one? Edward or Andrew?

Edward wants the Duke of Edinburg title. It’s Charles to grant or not grant.

When Edward dies does he title fo back to the crown or to Edward’s son or daughter?

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Anonymous wrote:DoE has only been used three times since 1726. Charles doesn’t have to give it to anyone and may pass down to William when he is King. It will continue to pass down to next generation. I know they could create Duchess of E but does the Edinburg title to males?

It was announced that Prince Phillip, the Queen, and the then Prince of Wales agreed that Edward would get it. Because Charles was the eldest son, he automatically inherited it, and the Queen couldn’t just give it to someone else. Now that Charles is king, the title is part of the Crown, so Charles can hand it out. Edward and Sophie have kept their noses very clean, so no way Charles doesn’t do it,

Hmm more like they’ve kept their noses brown.

I think he’ll try to avoid it. His reference clearly is to not have extra royals around and Edward is not a friend. If he delays, it will force Edward and Sophie to either keep their mouths shut graciously and stay out of sight (meaning people forget about them and they never get it) or Sophie amps up her press leaking to get sympathy stories which could piss off Charles. If there is too much press either in getting the title or lobbying for it, the press may go after outing Edward.

Without Harry and Megan around, the press needs a villain or scandal. Andrew can keep them busy on that front but Edward being gay will be on the table. The palace would likely trade an Edward is gay reveal to bury another William cheating story.

Oh, its you again. I was wondering when you would bring up William's "cheating" and Edward's "gayness" again.