New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just went to the site and counted the amount of D1 programs at the GA event. what the x account said is right and the decline from the previous year is correct. don't understand what the issue is? did he say something wrong?

it's not that he said something wrong, GA posted information that looked good for GA, so right on brand for ImYouthSoccer they posted something negative to GA to make ECNL look better. The post was only 27 D1 programs were at the GA Finals. Someone posted they don't think its a GA "quality" issue due to only 8 teams are playing at the u16 and u17 age and the travel for that doesn't make sense on an ROI due to cost and their season is close to starting and they just saw these same players a few weeks ago.

IYS then response about GA is declining every year and then someone followed up that ECNL only had 22 D1 coaches registered for their finals and then silence, but the post stays. again, 27 is not wrong ... but just curious at the timing as it is not truly a needed post but it was a post right after GA posted data that made them look good. its just on brand for IYS.

Its actually even worse for ECNL than that.

GA is holding its national talent id during finals. Many D1 coaches will choose to attend this over either finals.

The talent ID is now. ECNL finals are next week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just went to the site and counted the amount of D1 programs at the GA event. what the x account said is right and the decline from the previous year is correct. don't understand what the issue is? did he say something wrong?

it's not that he said something wrong, GA posted information that looked good for GA, so right on brand for ImYouthSoccer they posted something negative to GA to make ECNL look better. The post was only 27 D1 programs were at the GA Finals. Someone posted they don't think its a GA "quality" issue due to only 8 teams are playing at the u16 and u17 age and the travel for that doesn't make sense on an ROI due to cost and their season is close to starting and they just saw these same players a few weeks ago.

IYS then response about GA is declining every year and then someone followed up that ECNL only had 22 D1 coaches registered for their finals and then silence, but the post stays. again, 27 is not wrong ... but just curious at the timing as it is not truly a needed post but it was a post right after GA posted data that made them look good. its just on brand for IYS.

Its actually even worse for ECNL than that.

GA is holding its national talent id during finals. Many D1 coaches will choose to attend this over either finals.

exactly. GA hats thought they had one on ECNL but as usually, can't check the data. GA hats thinking they in the big leagues but haven't realized they still hitting off a kids tee.

The talent ID is now. ECNL finals are next week.

[Anonymous]

Just like usual ECNL hats dont know how to post responses.

[Anonymous]

So this argument is in some ways pointless…what is happening here is the same thing that happened in basketball decades ago….the shoe companies are now involved, Nike-ECNL, and Adidas-GA. Look behind the curtain and that is likely what is driving this to a large extent. It is just early in the process but in the coming years you will see Nike vs. Adidas where kids are “guided” to certain schools based on shoe company preferences. This is/will be the path moving forward and will start on the girls side of things initially. Time takes time but this is likely the end result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this argument is in some ways pointless…what is happening here is the same thing that happened in basketball decades ago….the shoe companies are now involved, Nike-ECNL, and Adidas-GA. Look behind the curtain and that is likely what is driving this to a large extent. It is just early in the process but in the coming years you will see Nike vs. Adidas where kids are “guided” to certain schools based on shoe company preferences. This is/will be the path moving forward and will start on the girls side of things initially. Time takes time but this is likely the end result.

Decades ago, people in the USA cared about basketball on both the college and pro levels. There was a lot of money there even "decades ago"

There is no money in American soccer. And comparing college soccer to college basketball is laughable as well.

We've been waiting since 1994 for American soccer culture to hold its own vs other sports. It never happened. And it's not happening now.

Get your head out of the sand

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this argument is in some ways pointless…what is happening here is the same thing that happened in basketball decades ago….the shoe companies are now involved, Nike-ECNL, and Adidas-GA. Look behind the curtain and that is likely what is driving this to a large extent. It is just early in the process but in the coming years you will see Nike vs. Adidas where kids are “guided” to certain schools based on shoe company preferences. This is/will be the path moving forward and will start on the girls side of things initially. Time takes time but this is likely the end result.

You mean something like this...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Adidas_Cup

Its already happening on the boys side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this argument is in some ways pointless…what is happening here is the same thing that happened in basketball decades ago….the shoe companies are now involved, Nike-ECNL, and Adidas-GA. Look behind the curtain and that is likely what is driving this to a large extent. It is just early in the process but in the coming years you will see Nike vs. Adidas where kids are “guided” to certain schools based on shoe company preferences. This is/will be the path moving forward and will start on the girls side of things initially. Time takes time but this is likely the end result.

Decades ago, people in the USA cared about basketball on both the college and pro levels. There was a lot of money there even "decades ago"

There is no money in American soccer. And comparing college soccer to college basketball is laughable as well.

We've been waiting since 1994 for American soccer culture to hold its own vs other sports. It never happened. And it's not happening now.

Get your head out of the sand

Come on you have to admit we're in a better place than 1994 - It might still be niche, but you can ACTUALLY WATCH top level teams all over the world easily. Those fans passionate about soccer are very passionate, even if it's a small group. Funny thing is that every single sport has massively declining tv ratings (other than the NFL) because we're not one big monoculture anymore.

Plenty of $$$ in the sport as well, even if it's all being siphoned out at the youth level

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this argument is in some ways pointless…what is happening here is the same thing that happened in basketball decades ago….the shoe companies are now involved, Nike-ECNL, and Adidas-GA. Look behind the curtain and that is likely what is driving this to a large extent. It is just early in the process but in the coming years you will see Nike vs. Adidas where kids are “guided” to certain schools based on shoe company preferences. This is/will be the path moving forward and will start on the girls side of things initially. Time takes time but this is likely the end result.

Decades ago, people in the USA cared about basketball on both the college and pro levels. There was a lot of money there even "decades ago"

There is no money in American soccer. And comparing college soccer to college basketball is laughable as well.

We've been waiting since 1994 for American soccer culture to hold its own vs other sports. It never happened. And it's not happening now.

Get your head out of the sand

Come on you have to admit we're in a better place than 1994 - It might still be niche, but you can ACTUALLY WATCH top level teams all over the world easily. Those fans passionate about soccer are very passionate, even if it's a small group. Funny thing is that every single sport has massively declining tv ratings (other than the NFL) because we're not one big monoculture anymore.

Plenty of $$$ in the sport as well, even if it's all being siphoned out at the youth level

Women's soccer used to never be on the TV now I see it all the time. MLS is stagnant but consistant.

What's missing is all the crazy club drama and out of this world player paychecks you get in a true Academy style league where the clubs are all their own entities vs MLS franchises. Its like going to a party and the only thing to drink is bud light. Sure things will get crazy now and then. But, it's nothing compared to a party with a full open bar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GA showcase and playoff just finished. 159 D1 colleges showed up. down from 172 last year. what is happening to the GA? every time I walked by the playoff games there were coaches but the regular showcase games were barely 5-8 college coaches on the sideline watching. very worrisome

Actually it seems ECNL really must be worried about GA gaining ground with all these seemingly never-ending attacks.

They are, its that simple. It's also why they're trying so hard to say anything negative about GA.

Here's what they're really worried about. Every player that commits from a GA club ECNL parents see as one less ECNL committment. With the new 28 player max rosters theres going to be even less spots to be had.

For girls what will happen over time is GA/ECNL will get 80%-90% of all the college players.

The last sentence reminds me of the old Stacey King joke when he told a reporter the he and Jordan combined for 70 points in the game.............Jordan had 64 and Stacey had 6.

[Anonymous]

The most hypocritical thing I have seen from Imyouthsoccer guy is "polling" where to put the recruiting numbers for those ECNL teams that moved to GA, in ECNL or GA. The response was ECNL because that is where they were developed.

Until someone asked where they put the Nationals numbers and he said ECNL but that was different.

He is clearly a shill of the highest order. At one point I thought I knew who it was (hint: Chicago based ECNL parent) but dont have enough evidence to truly support that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The most hypocritical thing I have seen from Imyouthsoccer guy is "polling" where to put the recruiting numbers for those ECNL teams that moved to GA, in ECNL or GA. The response was ECNL because that is where they were developed.

Until someone asked where they put the Nationals numbers and he said ECNL but that was different.

He is clearly a shill of the highest order. At one point I thought I knew who it was (hint: Chicago based ECNL parent) but dont have enough evidence to truly support that.

man, you are really bitter. your daughter must not have made ECNL or RL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The most hypocritical thing I have seen from Imyouthsoccer guy is "polling" where to put the recruiting numbers for those ECNL teams that moved to GA, in ECNL or GA. The response was ECNL because that is where they were developed.

Until someone asked where they put the Nationals numbers and he said ECNL but that was different.

He is clearly a shill of the highest order. At one point I thought I knew who it was (hint: Chicago based ECNL parent) but dont have enough evidence to truly support that.

I noticed this as well.

He puts up stats about youth clubs with players playing D1 soccer. But, while the club might be in XYZ league now back when the college player was on one of their teams it was in ABC league.

Its deliberately done to favor ECNL. Unfortunately the youngers parents that haven't been around for a while arent able to see through the BS.

[Anonymous]

Please - the same holds true of MLs Next and GA- they have their patsy’s all over social media trying to position things. Stating opinions as facts and hearing toward GA (and MLs Next) as the next coming of Christ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please - the same holds true of MLs Next and GA- they have their patsy’s all over social media trying to position things. Stating opinions as facts and hearing toward GA (and MLs Next) as the next coming of Christ.

MLSNext and GA are about the players! ECNL is only about money!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please - the same holds true of MLs Next and GA- they have their patsy’s all over social media trying to position things. Stating opinions as facts and hearing toward GA (and MLs Next) as the next coming of Christ.

Ahh yes, the good old: When they expose your lies, shift to saying the other side does it too as your new argument. WhatAboutism 101. Well played.