Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Navy parent with an older kid who is completely indifferent about the move to Chantilly. They are both great schools. And for all of the talk of community, my child is in middle school with a lot of kids who will go to Chantilly. So it is hard to make friends and know you won't see them in high school. But if Navy gets zoned out of Oakton, then Crossfield should as well. It would make no sense to leave Crossfield there.

Crossfield mounted a huge defense and a website. They’re not only successfully petitioned to stay at Oakton, but also now have successfully been given permission to come to Franklin MS, even though Carson is closer to them. They now don’t want Carson because Carson will feed to Skyview.

How do you know they have been successful?

Looking at the options from XYZ, it appears that they just moved pieces around with no understanding at all of the purpose and results.

Because each of their 3 scenarios has them going to Franklin MS. None left them at Carson.

It’s also on their own Rooted in Oakton website. They specifically asked to be moved to Franklin MS so their cohort could remain whole and move together with more kids to Oakton to continue their “community.”

Setting aside how annoying the RIO group is, it does make sense for them to move to Franklin if they are staying at Oakton. Shifting schools moving to Skyview between Franklin and Carson to limit split feeders is a logical thing to do.

Except in doing that, they will displace Navy families who are also going to Oakton HS and Chantilly HS. One of the scenarios has Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and then back to Oakton HS, as well as Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and Chantilly HS. So Navy will now feed into 2 middle schools all so Crossfield can go to one MS (Franklin) and stay together at Oakton HS. Does that sound fair to you?

Right now Crossfield is split between 3 middle schools Franklin - Hughes - Carson and 3 high schools. In the new scenarios, it still splits between into Franklin and Hughes. Everyone ripping on Crossfield but what you're calling unfair is what we've been doing for years.

There is only one neighborhood that goes to Hughes from Crossfield and you know it. They are totally isolated over at Hughes. All of their friends are at Carson.

I think we're on the same side here.. Crossfield should stay together, unless you're saying those kids like being isolated at Hughes

Sure but not by moving all of Crossfield to Franklin MS and displacing Navy families. Currently Navy elementary feeds 100% to Franklin MS. Our elementary is already a split feeder to 2 high schools. We are used to that. Now we are faced with yet another split feeder in middle school all becuase Crossfield wants to move to Franklin MS? I don’t get why Crossfield can’t remain zoned to Carson. Crossfield can handle split feeder middle schools because won’t they all join back again for high school? Navy never gets to do that.

No they don't get to do that... Hughes goes to South Lakes, Carson goes to Oakton, Franklin goes to Chantilly... With the new scenarios Franklin goes to Westfield, Franklin goes to South Lakes, and Franklin goes to Oakton or Skyview

I don't see that scenario at all. Which one sends Franklin to South Lakes or Westfield?

And, as to Lee's Corner, I think what a lot of people are missing is that there is a very large gap on the map that has no housing but lots of traffic and traffic lights.

Scenario 2 has the Crossfield kids that go to South Lakes moving to Franklin. It creates a 4 way split feeder at Franklin.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Navy parent with an older kid who is completely indifferent about the move to Chantilly. They are both great schools. And for all of the talk of community, my child is in middle school with a lot of kids who will go to Chantilly. So it is hard to make friends and know you won't see them in high school. But if Navy gets zoned out of Oakton, then Crossfield should as well. It would make no sense to leave Crossfield there.

Crossfield mounted a huge defense and a website. They’re not only successfully petitioned to stay at Oakton, but also now have successfully been given permission to come to Franklin MS, even though Carson is closer to them. They now don’t want Carson because Carson will feed to Skyview.

How do you know they have been successful?

Looking at the options from XYZ, it appears that they just moved pieces around with no understanding at all of the purpose and results.

Because each of their 3 scenarios has them going to Franklin MS. None left them at Carson.

It’s also on their own Rooted in Oakton website. They specifically asked to be moved to Franklin MS so their cohort could remain whole and move together with more kids to Oakton to continue their “community.”

Setting aside how annoying the RIO group is, it does make sense for them to move to Franklin if they are staying at Oakton. Shifting schools moving to Skyview between Franklin and Carson to limit split feeders is a logical thing to do.

Except in doing that, they will displace Navy families who are also going to Oakton HS and Chantilly HS. One of the scenarios has Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and then back to Oakton HS, as well as Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and Chantilly HS. So Navy will now feed into 2 middle schools all so Crossfield can go to one MS (Franklin) and stay together at Oakton HS. Does that sound fair to you?

Right now Crossfield is split between 3 middle schools Franklin - Hughes - Carson and 3 high schools. In the new scenarios, it still splits between into Franklin and Hughes. Everyone ripping on Crossfield but what you're calling unfair is what we've been doing for years.

There is only one neighborhood that goes to Hughes from Crossfield and you know it. They are totally isolated over at Hughes. All of their friends are at Carson.

I think we're on the same side here.. Crossfield should stay together, unless you're saying those kids like being isolated at Hughes

Sure but not by moving all of Crossfield to Franklin MS and displacing Navy families. Currently Navy elementary feeds 100% to Franklin MS. Our elementary is already a split feeder to 2 high schools. We are used to that. Now we are faced with yet another split feeder in middle school all becuase Crossfield wants to move to Franklin MS? I don’t get why Crossfield can’t remain zoned to Carson. Crossfield can handle split feeder middle schools because won’t they all join back again for high school? Navy never gets to do that.

No they don't get to do that... Hughes goes to South Lakes, Carson goes to Oakton, Franklin goes to Chantilly... With the new scenarios Franklin goes to Westfield, Franklin goes to South Lakes, and Franklin goes to Oakton or Skyview

I don't see that scenario at all. Which one sends Franklin to South Lakes or Westfield?

And, as to Lee's Corner, I think what a lot of people are missing is that there is a very large gap on the map that has no housing but lots of traffic and traffic lights.

Look up Blue Spruce on the explorer tool. Scenario 2 has them going Franklin to South Lakes

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Navy parent with an older kid who is completely indifferent about the move to Chantilly. They are both great schools. And for all of the talk of community, my child is in middle school with a lot of kids who will go to Chantilly. So it is hard to make friends and know you won't see them in high school. But if Navy gets zoned out of Oakton, then Crossfield should as well. It would make no sense to leave Crossfield there.

Crossfield mounted a huge defense and a website. They’re not only successfully petitioned to stay at Oakton, but also now have successfully been given permission to come to Franklin MS, even though Carson is closer to them. They now don’t want Carson because Carson will feed to Skyview.

How do you know they have been successful?

Looking at the options from XYZ, it appears that they just moved pieces around with no understanding at all of the purpose and results.

Because each of their 3 scenarios has them going to Franklin MS. None left them at Carson.

It’s also on their own Rooted in Oakton website. They specifically asked to be moved to Franklin MS so their cohort could remain whole and move together with more kids to Oakton to continue their “community.”

Setting aside how annoying the RIO group is, it does make sense for them to move to Franklin if they are staying at Oakton. Shifting schools moving to Skyview between Franklin and Carson to limit split feeders is a logical thing to do.

Except in doing that, they will displace Navy families who are also going to Oakton HS and Chantilly HS. One of the scenarios has Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and then back to Oakton HS, as well as Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and Chantilly HS. So Navy will now feed into 2 middle schools all so Crossfield can go to one MS (Franklin) and stay together at Oakton HS. Does that sound fair to you?

Right now Crossfield is split between 3 middle schools Franklin - Hughes - Carson and 3 high schools. In the new scenarios, it still splits between into Franklin and Hughes. Everyone ripping on Crossfield but what you're calling unfair is what we've been doing for years.

There is only one neighborhood that goes to Hughes from Crossfield and you know it. They are totally isolated over at Hughes. All of their friends are at Carson.

I think we're on the same side here.. Crossfield should stay together, unless you're saying those kids like being isolated at Hughes

Sure but not by moving all of Crossfield to Franklin MS and displacing Navy families. Currently Navy elementary feeds 100% to Franklin MS. Our elementary is already a split feeder to 2 high schools. We are used to that. Now we are faced with yet another split feeder in middle school all becuase Crossfield wants to move to Franklin MS? I don’t get why Crossfield can’t remain zoned to Carson. Crossfield can handle split feeder middle schools because won’t they all join back again for high school? Navy never gets to do that.

No they don't get to do that... Hughes goes to South Lakes, Carson goes to Oakton, Franklin goes to Chantilly... With the new scenarios Franklin goes to Westfield, Franklin goes to South Lakes, and Franklin goes to Oakton or Skyview

I don't see that scenario at all. Which one sends Franklin to South Lakes or Westfield?

And, as to Lee's Corner, I think what a lot of people are missing is that there is a very large gap on the map that has no housing but lots of traffic and traffic lights.

I might have missed something, but…

Currently Franklin feeds: Chantilly, Oakton, and Westfield
Scenario 1 Franklin feeds: Westfield, Oakton, Skyview, and South Lakes
Scenario 2 Franklin feeds: Chantilly, Oakton; Skyview, and South Lakes
Scenario 3 Franklin feeds: Chantilly, Oakton and Westfield

There is a reasonable path to whittle Franklin down to a balanced Chantilly/Oakton feeder in scenario 2, but they didn’t land on it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Navy parent with an older kid who is completely indifferent about the move to Chantilly. They are both great schools. And for all of the talk of community, my child is in middle school with a lot of kids who will go to Chantilly. So it is hard to make friends and know you won't see them in high school. But if Navy gets zoned out of Oakton, then Crossfield should as well. It would make no sense to leave Crossfield there.

Crossfield mounted a huge defense and a website. They’re not only successfully petitioned to stay at Oakton, but also now have successfully been given permission to come to Franklin MS, even though Carson is closer to them. They now don’t want Carson because Carson will feed to Skyview.

How do you know they have been successful?

Looking at the options from XYZ, it appears that they just moved pieces around with no understanding at all of the purpose and results.

Because each of their 3 scenarios has them going to Franklin MS. None left them at Carson.

It’s also on their own Rooted in Oakton website. They specifically asked to be moved to Franklin MS so their cohort could remain whole and move together with more kids to Oakton to continue their “community.”

Setting aside how annoying the RIO group is, it does make sense for them to move to Franklin if they are staying at Oakton. Shifting schools moving to Skyview between Franklin and Carson to limit split feeders is a logical thing to do.

Except in doing that, they will displace Navy families who are also going to Oakton HS and Chantilly HS. One of the scenarios has Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and then back to Oakton HS, as well as Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and Chantilly HS. So Navy will now feed into 2 middle schools all so Crossfield can go to one MS (Franklin) and stay together at Oakton HS. Does that sound fair to you?

Right now Crossfield is split between 3 middle schools Franklin - Hughes - Carson and 3 high schools. In the new scenarios, it still splits between into Franklin and Hughes. Everyone ripping on Crossfield but what you're calling unfair is what we've been doing for years.

There is only one neighborhood that goes to Hughes from Crossfield and you know it. They are totally isolated over at Hughes. All of their friends are at Carson.

I think we're on the same side here.. Crossfield should stay together, unless you're saying those kids like being isolated at Hughes

Sure but not by moving all of Crossfield to Franklin MS and displacing Navy families. Currently Navy elementary feeds 100% to Franklin MS. Our elementary is already a split feeder to 2 high schools. We are used to that. Now we are faced with yet another split feeder in middle school all becuase Crossfield wants to move to Franklin MS? I don’t get why Crossfield can’t remain zoned to Carson. Crossfield can handle split feeder middle schools because won’t they all join back again for high school? Navy never gets to do that.

No they don't get to do that... Hughes goes to South Lakes, Carson goes to Oakton, Franklin goes to Chantilly... With the new scenarios Franklin goes to Westfield, Franklin goes to South Lakes, and Franklin goes to Oakton or Skyview

I don't see that scenario at all. Which one sends Franklin to South Lakes or Westfield?

And, as to Lee's Corner, I think what a lot of people are missing is that there is a very large gap on the map that has no housing but lots of traffic and traffic lights.

I might have missed something, but…

Currently Franklin feeds: Chantilly, Oakton, and Westfield
Scenario 1 Franklin feeds: Westfield, Oakton, Skyview, and South Lakes
Scenario 2 Franklin feeds: Chantilly, Oakton; Skyview, and South Lakes
Scenario 3 Franklin feeds: Chantilly, Oakton and Westfield

There is a reasonable path to whittle Franklin down to a balanced Chantilly/Oakton feeder in scenario 2, but they didn’t land on it.

Agree here. With some minor shifts, they could ideally land on every middle school in the impacted area feeding to 1 or 2 high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Navy parent with an older kid who is completely indifferent about the move to Chantilly. They are both great schools. And for all of the talk of community, my child is in middle school with a lot of kids who will go to Chantilly. So it is hard to make friends and know you won't see them in high school. But if Navy gets zoned out of Oakton, then Crossfield should as well. It would make no sense to leave Crossfield there.

Crossfield mounted a huge defense and a website. They’re not only successfully petitioned to stay at Oakton, but also now have successfully been given permission to come to Franklin MS, even though Carson is closer to them. They now don’t want Carson because Carson will feed to Skyview.

How do you know they have been successful?

Looking at the options from XYZ, it appears that they just moved pieces around with no understanding at all of the purpose and results.

Because each of their 3 scenarios has them going to Franklin MS. None left them at Carson.

It’s also on their own Rooted in Oakton website. They specifically asked to be moved to Franklin MS so their cohort could remain whole and move together with more kids to Oakton to continue their “community.”

Setting aside how annoying the RIO group is, it does make sense for them to move to Franklin if they are staying at Oakton. Shifting schools moving to Skyview between Franklin and Carson to limit split feeders is a logical thing to do.

Except in doing that, they will displace Navy families who are also going to Oakton HS and Chantilly HS. One of the scenarios has Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and then back to Oakton HS, as well as Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and Chantilly HS. So Navy will now feed into 2 middle schools all so Crossfield can go to one MS (Franklin) and stay together at Oakton HS. Does that sound fair to you?

Right now Crossfield is split between 3 middle schools Franklin - Hughes - Carson and 3 high schools. In the new scenarios, it still splits between into Franklin and Hughes. Everyone ripping on Crossfield but what you're calling unfair is what we've been doing for years.

There is only one neighborhood that goes to Hughes from Crossfield and you know it. They are totally isolated over at Hughes. All of their friends are at Carson.

I think we're on the same side here.. Crossfield should stay together, unless you're saying those kids like being isolated at Hughes

Sure but not by moving all of Crossfield to Franklin MS and displacing Navy families. Currently Navy elementary feeds 100% to Franklin MS. Our elementary is already a split feeder to 2 high schools. We are used to that. Now we are faced with yet another split feeder in middle school all becuase Crossfield wants to move to Franklin MS? I don’t get why Crossfield can’t remain zoned to Carson. Crossfield can handle split feeder middle schools because won’t they all join back again for high school? Navy never gets to do that.

No they don't get to do that... Hughes goes to South Lakes, Carson goes to Oakton, Franklin goes to Chantilly... With the new scenarios Franklin goes to Westfield, Franklin goes to South Lakes, and Franklin goes to Oakton or Skyview

I don't see that scenario at all. Which one sends Franklin to South Lakes or Westfield?

And, as to Lee's Corner, I think what a lot of people are missing is that there is a very large gap on the map that has no housing but lots of traffic and traffic lights.

Scenario 2 has the Crossfield kids that go to South Lakes moving to Franklin. It creates a 4 way split feeder at Franklin.

Hopefully, FCPS leadership--along with the readers of DCUM-has seen enough to know that those XYZ proposals are awful. I haven't seen one scenario that makes sense. Not at any school level.

Go back to the proposals from last Fall. Pick A or B. A makes more sense because it pretty much leave South Lakes alone--though I would take ALL of Floris. There is no valid reason to leave Crossfield at Oakton. If they go with B, they should move Crossfield to South Lakes. That also makes geographic sense.
Figure out the middle schools later. They have a year to figure it out.

And, get rid of IB at South Lakes.

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I don’t think any of Crossfield currently goes to Franklin MS. Is that incorrect?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Navy parent with an older kid who is completely indifferent about the move to Chantilly. They are both great schools. And for all of the talk of community, my child is in middle school with a lot of kids who will go to Chantilly. So it is hard to make friends and know you won't see them in high school. But if Navy gets zoned out of Oakton, then Crossfield should as well. It would make no sense to leave Crossfield there.

Crossfield mounted a huge defense and a website. They’re not only successfully petitioned to stay at Oakton, but also now have successfully been given permission to come to Franklin MS, even though Carson is closer to them. They now don’t want Carson because Carson will feed to Skyview.

How do you know they have been successful?

Looking at the options from XYZ, it appears that they just moved pieces around with no understanding at all of the purpose and results.

Because each of their 3 scenarios has them going to Franklin MS. None left them at Carson.

It’s also on their own Rooted in Oakton website. They specifically asked to be moved to Franklin MS so their cohort could remain whole and move together with more kids to Oakton to continue their “community.”

Setting aside how annoying the RIO group is, it does make sense for them to move to Franklin if they are staying at Oakton. Shifting schools moving to Skyview between Franklin and Carson to limit split feeders is a logical thing to do.

Except in doing that, they will displace Navy families who are also going to Oakton HS and Chantilly HS. One of the scenarios has Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and then back to Oakton HS, as well as Navy kids going to Rocky Run MS and Chantilly HS. So Navy will now feed into 2 middle schools all so Crossfield can go to one MS (Franklin) and stay together at Oakton HS. Does that sound fair to you?

Right now Crossfield is split between 3 middle schools Franklin - Hughes - Carson and 3 high schools. In the new scenarios, it still splits between into Franklin and Hughes. Everyone ripping on Crossfield but what you're calling unfair is what we've been doing for years.

There is only one neighborhood that goes to Hughes from Crossfield and you know it. They are totally isolated over at Hughes. All of their friends are at Carson.

I think we're on the same side here.. Crossfield should stay together, unless you're saying those kids like being isolated at Hughes

Sure but not by moving all of Crossfield to Franklin MS and displacing Navy families. Currently Navy elementary feeds 100% to Franklin MS. Our elementary is already a split feeder to 2 high schools. We are used to that. Now we are faced with yet another split feeder in middle school all becuase Crossfield wants to move to Franklin MS? I don’t get why Crossfield can’t remain zoned to Carson. Crossfield can handle split feeder middle schools because won’t they all join back again for high school? Navy never gets to do that.

No they don't get to do that... Hughes goes to South Lakes, Carson goes to Oakton, Franklin goes to Chantilly... With the new scenarios Franklin goes to Westfield, Franklin goes to South Lakes, and Franklin goes to Oakton or Skyview

I don't see that scenario at all. Which one sends Franklin to South Lakes or Westfield?

And, as to Lee's Corner, I think what a lot of people are missing is that there is a very large gap on the map that has no housing but lots of traffic and traffic lights.

Scenario 2 has the Crossfield kids that go to South Lakes moving to Franklin. It creates a 4 way split feeder at Franklin.

Hopefully, FCPS leadership--along with the readers of DCUM-has seen enough to know that those XYZ proposals are awful. I haven't seen one scenario that makes sense. Not at any school level.

Go back to the proposals from last Fall. Pick A or B. A makes more sense because it pretty much leave South Lakes alone--though I would take ALL of Floris. There is no valid reason to leave Crossfield at Oakton. If they go with B, they should move Crossfield to South Lakes. That also makes geographic sense.
Figure out the middle schools later. They have a year to figure it out.

And, get rid of IB at South Lakes.

+1 I completely agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of Crossfield currently goes to Franklin MS. Is that incorrect?

An itty bitty sliver off Ashvale Dr feeds Crossfield -> Franklin-> Chantilly. They successfully avoided getting moved to Lees Corner in January, but now every proposal shifts them there again.

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We should be focusing on Skyview boundaries only. The neighborhoods closest to Skyview should be sent there period. Leave all other schools alone.

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I like the part of scenario 3 that moves all of Navy to Franklin and Chantilly. Where does all the Chantilly hate come from? It is half the distance as Oakton for us Navy people and our kids all do CYA sports. I think it's a very thoughtful move for future kids not currently at Oakton so I totally do not understand all the outrage felt by Navy families.

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If proximity is important, then CROSSFIELD NEEDS TO MOVE TO SKYVIEW.

I think it's absurd that there are families at our school more concerned about their kids doing sports or their "property value" than about being able to pick up their kids from activities, having their kids drive safely to high school instead of on narrow windy roads, and staying in a high school that is part of their community instead of a completely different town just because they think it's more prestigious. Gatehouse needs to stop listening to the Crossfield PTO and listen to the rest of the parents in the community. No, we don't have a website, but there are a lot of us, mostly with children in younger grades who play sports in Chantilly and Herndon and want to go to Carson and Skyview because a 5 minute drive makes a lot more sense than a 25 minute drive (which can be 45 during rush hour).

Scenario 2 is bad.

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Anonymous wrote:We should be focusing on Skyview boundaries only. The neighborhoods closest to Skyview should be sent there period. Leave all other schools alone.

This would have worked if they moved some kids out of Oakton, Chantilly and Westfield to fill Skyview but not so many that the schools needed to be backfilled. IDK why they just didn't do that.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Navy parent with an older kid who is completely indifferent about the move to Chantilly. They are both great schools. And for all of the talk of community, my child is in middle school with a lot of kids who will go to Chantilly. So it is hard to make friends and know you won't see them in high school. But if Navy gets zoned out of Oakton, then Crossfield should as well. It would make no sense to leave Crossfield there.

Crossfield mounted a huge defense and a website. They’re not only successfully petitioned to stay at Oakton, but also now have successfully been given permission to come to Franklin MS, even though Carson is closer to them. They now don’t want Carson because Carson will feed to Skyview.

Look - this was primarily parents of older kids. The leaders of the group have kids in 6th and up AND one of them works at Gatehouse. It's an unfair advantage but they absolutely do not represent the whole school. Stop talking like they do.

And stop saying we need to advocate for ourselves, trust me that we are doing so. Just not with a stupid website.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the part of scenario 3 that moves all of Navy to Franklin and Chantilly. Where does all the Chantilly hate come from? It is half the distance as Oakton for us Navy people and our kids all do CYA sports. I think it's a very thoughtful move for future kids not currently at Oakton so I totally do not understand all the outrage felt by Navy families.

+1 I agree with you. As long as they have a generous grandfathering policy in place. I don’t want siblings at 2 different high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Navy parent with an older kid who is completely indifferent about the move to Chantilly. They are both great schools. And for all of the talk of community, my child is in middle school with a lot of kids who will go to Chantilly. So it is hard to make friends and know you won't see them in high school. But if Navy gets zoned out of Oakton, then Crossfield should as well. It would make no sense to leave Crossfield there.

Crossfield mounted a huge defense and a website. They’re not only successfully petitioned to stay at Oakton, but also now have successfully been given permission to come to Franklin MS, even though Carson is closer to them. They now don’t want Carson because Carson will feed to Skyview.

How do you know they have been successful?

Looking at the options from XYZ, it appears that they just moved pieces around with no understanding at all of the purpose and results.

Because each of their 3 scenarios has them going to Franklin MS. None left them at Carson.

It’s also on their own Rooted in Oakton website. They specifically asked to be moved to Franklin MS so their cohort could remain whole and move together with more kids to Oakton to continue their “community.”

Funny enough, most of their kids are in AAP and will go to Carson for MS.