ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

It’s impossible to determine if she could have survived this. Did anyone have a trauma kit or IFAK? They’d need at least one chest seal and a CAT tourniquet. A chest dart would likely be necessary to treat a tension pneumothorax. How quickly did medics get there? QuikClot only does so much.

There was a doctor on the scene. ICE would not let him attend to her. When the medics showed up, they wouldn’t let them drive the ambulance to her so they had to park nearby and walk in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

It’s impossible to determine if she could have survived this. Did anyone have a trauma kit or IFAK? They’d need at least one chest seal and a CAT tourniquet. A chest dart would likely be necessary to treat a tension pneumothorax. How quickly did medics get there? QuikClot only does so much.

There was a doctor on the scene. ICE would not let him attend to her. When the medics showed up, they wouldn’t let them drive the ambulance to her so they had to park nearby and walk in

It was a crime scene. In situations like this EMS always needs to defer to law enforcement. None of that is out of the ordinary.

A doctor without a trauma kit would be useless.

They did defer and ICE wanted to make sure she bled out.

[Anonymous]

Excellent. More to come, no doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

It’s impossible to determine if she could have survived this. Did anyone have a trauma kit or IFAK? They’d need at least one chest seal and a CAT tourniquet. A chest dart would likely be necessary to treat a tension pneumothorax. How quickly did medics get there? QuikClot only does so much.

There was a doctor on the scene. ICE would not let him attend to her. When the medics showed up, they wouldn’t let them drive the ambulance to her so they had to park nearby and walk in

It was a crime scene. In situations like this EMS always needs to defer to law enforcement. None of that is out of the ordinary.

A doctor without a trauma kit would be useless.

Survival rates for penetrating gunshot wounds to the chest can be as high as 90%+
The physician could have done decompression--the risk of tension pneumothorax is pressure on the heart and major arteries. When my son experienced this condition (his heart was already pushed to the right, it was the left lung that collapsed spontaneously) the incision immediately resolved the problem of outside air pressure in the chest cavity. This was not a situation in which there were ongoing threats, and EMS personnel are trained to exercise care when treating a patient at a crime scene. LE medics could also perform decompression.

What we have NOT been told is exactly what steps LE medics took and at exactly what time. Notice that this has not been disclosed in spite of (IMO) compelling public interest (and the federal agents are not covered under HIPAA).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

It’s impossible to determine if she could have survived this. Did anyone have a trauma kit or IFAK? They’d need at least one chest seal and a CAT tourniquet. A chest dart would likely be necessary to treat a tension pneumothorax. How quickly did medics get there? QuikClot only does so much.

There was a doctor on the scene. ICE would not let him attend to her. When the medics showed up, they wouldn’t let them drive the ambulance to her so they had to park nearby and walk in

It was a crime scene. In situations like this EMS always needs to defer to law enforcement. None of that is out of the ordinary.

A doctor without a trauma kit would be useless.

ICE do not have the legal authority to restrict municipal EMS from attending to a patient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

The third shot killed her. THIRD! He’ll be tried for murder. Bring back public hangings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Excellent. More to come, no doubt.

Which I’m sure will be met with another “no bill” and a very expensive lawsuit us taxpayers will be required to pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

The third shot killed her. THIRD! He’ll be tried for murder. Bring back public hangings.

Explain how you get around Alito's 9-0 decision in Plumhoff.

Here's a reminder:

"We now consider respondent’s contention that, even if the use of deadly force was permissible, petitioners acted unreasonably in firing a total of 15 shots. We reject that argument. It stands to reason that, if police officers are justified in firing at a suspect in order to end a severe threat to public safety, the officers need not stop shooting until the threat has ended. As petitioners noted below, “if lethal force is justified, officers are taught to keep shooting until the threat is over.”

9-0. Including RBG, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan.

Take it up with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

The third shot killed her. THIRD! He’ll be tried for murder. Bring back public hangings.

Explain how you get around Alito's 9-0 decision in Plumhoff.

Here's a reminder:

"We now consider respondent’s contention that, even if the use of deadly force was permissible, petitioners acted unreasonably in firing a total of 15 shots. We reject that argument. It stands to reason that, if police officers are justified in firing at a suspect in order to end a severe threat to public safety, the officers need not stop shooting until the threat has ended. As petitioners noted below, “if lethal force is justified, officers are taught to keep shooting until the threat is over.”

9-0. Including RBG, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan.

Take it up with them.

A threat to public safety is not the same as a threat to the officer. The argument in this case is that he was shooting to protect HIMSELF, not anyone else. The case you cited is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

It’s impossible to determine if she could have survived this. Did anyone have a trauma kit or IFAK? They’d need at least one chest seal and a CAT tourniquet. A chest dart would likely be necessary to treat a tension pneumothorax. How quickly did medics get there? QuikClot only does so much.

There was a doctor on the scene. ICE would not let him attend to her. When the medics showed up, they wouldn’t let them drive the ambulance to her so they had to park nearby and walk in

It was a crime scene. In situations like this EMS always needs to defer to law enforcement. None of that is out of the ordinary.

A doctor without a trauma kit would be useless.

ICE is not law enforcement in that context. ICE has the power of law enforcement under extremeely limited circumstances. I have seen nothing that indicates that those powers extend to crime scene investigation and preservation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent. More to come, no doubt.

Which I’m sure will be met with another “no bill” and a very expensive lawsuit us taxpayers will be required to pay.

Are you saying that Minnesota is so corrupt that even the everyday citizens who serve on a Grand Jury will refuse to indict even though a clear crime was committed and is on video for the world to see????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

The third shot killed her. THIRD! He’ll be tried for murder. Bring back public hangings.

Explain how you get around Alito's 9-0 decision in Plumhoff.

Here's a reminder:

"We now consider respondent’s contention that, even if the use of deadly force was permissible, petitioners acted unreasonably in firing a total of 15 shots. We reject that argument. It stands to reason that, if police officers are justified in firing at a suspect in order to end a severe threat to public safety, the officers need not stop shooting until the threat has ended. As petitioners noted below, “if lethal force is justified, officers are taught to keep shooting until the threat is over.”

9-0. Including RBG, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan.

Take it up with them.

Plumhoff was a different situation and easily distinguishable from this case. As you have pointed out the court was ruling with respect to a "severe threat to public safety". That sever threat was materially different than the facts here. Just a quick summary of that threat -

"The "severe threat to public safety" refers to a high-speed car chase characterized by outrageously reckless driving.

According to the Court's unanimous 2014 decision, the driver, Donald Rickard, posed a grave risk to the public through the following actions:

Excessive Speeds: The chase lasted over five minutes and reached speeds exceeding 100 miles per hour.  

Endangering Others: Rickard wove through traffic and passed more than two dozen other motorists, forcing many off the road or into evasive maneuvers.  

Aggressive Driving: Even after being temporarily cornered in a parking lot, Rickard continued to accelerate while his bumper was flush against a police cruiser and later forced an officer to dive out of the way to avoid being hit.

The Supreme Court held that because Rickard’s flight posed a "grave public safety risk," the officers' use of deadly force (firing 15 shots) was objectively reasonable under the Fourth Amendment to terminate the threat."

You are obviously one of little legal acumen if you think the two cases are similar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Independent autopsy has been done. Bullet wounds to right chest, right arm, head, and a graze wound (news didn't say where).

Depending on where the shot to her head was, the rest could have been survivable I would think--blood stopping products advanced a ton during the ME wars.

The third shot killed her. THIRD! He’ll be tried for murder. Bring back public hangings.

Explain how you get around Alito's 9-0 decision in Plumhoff.

Here's a reminder:

"We now consider respondent’s contention that, even if the use of deadly force was permissible, petitioners acted unreasonably in firing a total of 15 shots. We reject that argument. It stands to reason that, if police officers are justified in firing at a suspect in order to end a severe threat to public safety, the officers need not stop shooting until the threat has ended. As petitioners noted below, “if lethal force is justified, officers are taught to keep shooting until the threat is over.”

9-0. Including RBG, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan.

Take it up with them.

A threat to public safety is not the same as a threat to the officer. The argument in this case is that he was shooting to protect HIMSELF, not anyone else. The case you cited is irrelevant.

Actually, it is very relevant.

How do we know that the officer didn't know who else might be in the path of this car which was clearly accelerating to a high rate of speed?

We know this because we can see her prior behavior in the minutes before her death and we can see the empty street.

[Anonymous]

ICE detains 5-year-old in Minnesota as JD Vance set to visit
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/ice-detains-5-year-old-in-minnesota-as-jd-vance-set-to-visit/vi-AA1UKlA3?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=6972510928e8488eb894090740a158c4&ei=18
Federal agents detained a 5-year-old boy, along with his father, as he was arriving home on Wednesday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Excellent. More to come, no doubt.