Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Navy mommies are outdoing the Rios tonight. God forbid their first grader gets moved to Chantilly from Oakton. Half the distance and a fairly equal school. Where is the humanity??? Welp!

Did they freak out about their little Franklin Farm island? That gets moved in all three scenarios (I agree that it should move, it's dumb).

I believe Lees Corner and Navy parents rightfully called out the Chief of staff for claiming they had informed everyone for the last 18 months about these changes which is entirely untrue. These maps were introduced on Tuesday.

I wasn’t at the meeting and have no idea what other Navy parents are saying, but for the past however many months we were given the impression that the only group they were focusing on was that Navy island (FF). Now every, single Navy household is personally affected by one of these scenarios. I don’t care one bit if my kid goes to Chantilly. I do care if my child has to drive past Navy to go to a Waples Mill for 6th grade, which is twice the distance and based on the map would split him from 95% of his friends.

I hear you. You are probably referring to Scenario 1 which moves some Navy families to Waples Mill. Luckily, it sounds like Scenarios 1&3 will be canned. At the meeting on Tuesday and last night, most groups agreed Scenario 2 was the lesser of the evils. In fact, the moderator said Scenario 2 was designed to be more conservative and move kids less. My guess is they will revise it after the feedback. They said that’s why they are doing these meetings. New maps will come out in May.

Also, Scenarios 1&3 had Lees Corner Elementary, which currently goes to Chantilly HS and some can even walk, moving to Westfield HS which is so far down 50 it’s ridiculous.

All of this leads me to believe they will not proceed with either of these scenarios.

While I agree moving kids that can walk to school is ridiculous, I am hoping you can now appreciate what the kids at Floris, Coates and McNair have had to deal with commuting to Westfield for the past 20 years.

Someone has to go there. Those areas are about the same distance as some areas in Centreville they are proposing to move now.
This is the problem with building a school on "available land we found" that's not really near any neighborhoods.

I agree. Westfield is just in an inconvenient location, but someone has to be zoned there. At my table last night, most were more in favor of Scenario 2 with some tweaks, but the others at my table supported Scenario 1 due to parts of Centreville being rezoned to Westfield. It was always my impression that whenever Skyview opened, Centreville neighborhoods were going to backfill Westfield, but the parents at my table seemed caught off guard.

I do think Reid completely botched this. There are more students moving in these new scenarios for Skyview than the amount of students being moved from the county-wide boundary adjustments. This should have all been done together because these new scenarios are bringing in communities that were never mentioned in the original study, and I wouldn't be surprised if some communities have no idea they may shift to a new school at the ES/MS levels (like Dogwood, Hunters Woods, etc.).

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, they should just set the boundaries for Skyview and let the rest sort out. Westfield will still have plenty of kids. Chantilly will be smaller.
They may need to do something about Centreville overcrowding and send some of those kids to Westfield.

PP here.
I meant that Chantilly will be less crowded--not smaller than Westfield.

It does seem to me that moving those Cub Run kids who attend Chantilly to Westfield might be reasonable.

The dividing line here should be Route 28, not Walney Road. Moving the kids in the small sliver in between from Chantilly to Westfields is crazy.

Why is it crazy? That area is one of the closest to Westfield HS that's not already zoned there (no S in Westfield BTW-where do you live where you don't know the name of the schools?)

This is such an odd nitpick when nearly everything in the surrounding area of the school is Westfields with an S.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, they should just set the boundaries for Skyview and let the rest sort out. Westfield will still have plenty of kids. Chantilly will be smaller.
They may need to do something about Centreville overcrowding and send some of those kids to Westfield.

PP here.
I meant that Chantilly will be less crowded--not smaller than Westfield.

It does seem to me that moving those Cub Run kids who attend Chantilly to Westfield might be reasonable.

It’s annoying that they only show the utilization percentages and not the estimated enrollment numbers. If I multiply the utilization with the capacity, I get the following under scenario 2:

Westfield @ 82% is 2308
Chantilly @ 99% (no modular) is 2307
Centreville @ 96% (no mod) is 1865
Skyview @ 89% is 1780
South Lakes @ 83% is 2032
Oakton @ 103% is 2721

Skyview could still expect to get a fair number of pupil placements for its specialized courses. Centreville would take a big hit.

It would be one thing if Oakton was bigger because so many kids lived near the school, as has been the case with Chantilly and West Springfield. But that’s not the case with Oakton. Some of those kids should move to South Lakes. If it doesn’t happen, Meren should throw a fit, and Frisch and McDaniel should suffer the consequences of their hypocrisy, since they justified the need to buy Skyview on the long commutes of some Oakton kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Navy mommies are outdoing the Rios tonight. God forbid their first grader gets moved to Chantilly from Oakton. Half the distance and a fairly equal school. Where is the humanity??? Welp!

LOL. I heard that. A clueless parent who literally said “distance doesn’t matter so much as keeping them with friends.” For a first grader!!!

Are you on the spectrum? By first grade my kid had deep friendships with classmates.

I feel sorry for your kids that they have a parent that thinks distance is the only factor to consider in schools.

You and PP are learning, shockingly apparently in real-time, that it is not just about rankings and distance, most of us care about our community above all else. Community is what makes a school desirable.

I’m curious why you chose to use being on the spectrum as an insult? Do you think it’s ok to insult people by claiming they have a disability? Gross.

There is no such thing as a “deep” friendship in 1st grade. By the time your child gets to high school, friendships will have changed a dozen times. In fact, middle school is a time where kids will make a ton of new friends that will go to their high school. Absolutely no one is making a decision about high schools based on the opinions of a first grade parent. In each scenario your own child will get to stay at their assigned elementary school anyway. And maybe you don’t realize it, but in 2 of the 3 scenarios, your entire community would actually feed into the same high school! If your child’s friendship is so deep by first grade, wouldn’t you want that? So what is the problem?

And when you are talking about high school, you must understand distance is a major factor. That’s what we heard time and time again at the meeting last night. High schoolers often have to stay after for activities or service hours or to make up tests. Kids involved in band or orchestra may have to stay after to practice. Or they have to return to school for an evening event. High schoolers also stay up later doing homework and need more sleep. Getting up earlier for a further commute isn’t an option. You don’t understand any of this because you have a 1st grader.

A symptom of being on the spectrum is often the inability to see anyone’s opinion but your own and to not fully understand social cues and dynamics.

You’ve only confirmed our suspicion.

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Anonymous wrote:Navy mommies are outdoing the Rios tonight. God forbid their first grader gets moved to Chantilly from Oakton. Half the distance and a fairly equal school. Where is the humanity??? Welp!

LOL. I heard that. A clueless parent who literally said “distance doesn’t matter so much as keeping them with friends.” For a first grader!!!

Are you on the spectrum? By first grade my kid had deep friendships with classmates.

I feel sorry for your kids that they have a parent that thinks distance is the only factor to consider in schools.

You and PP are learning, shockingly apparently in real-time, that it is not just about rankings and distance, most of us care about our community above all else. Community is what makes a school desirable.

I’m curious why you chose to use being on the spectrum as an insult? Do you think it’s ok to insult people by claiming they have a disability? Gross.

There is no such thing as a “deep” friendship in 1st grade. By the time your child gets to high school, friendships will have changed a dozen times. In fact, middle school is a time where kids will make a ton of new friends that will go to their high school. Absolutely no one is making a decision about high schools based on the opinions of a first grade parent. In each scenario your own child will get to stay at their assigned elementary school anyway. And maybe you don’t realize it, but in 2 of the 3 scenarios, your entire community would actually feed into the same high school! If your child’s friendship is so deep by first grade, wouldn’t you want that? So what is the problem?

And when you are talking about high school, you must understand distance is a major factor. That’s what we heard time and time again at the meeting last night. High schoolers often have to stay after for activities or service hours or to make up tests. Kids involved in band or orchestra may have to stay after to practice. Or they have to return to school for an evening event. High schoolers also stay up later doing homework and need more sleep. Getting up earlier for a further commute isn’t an option. You don’t understand any of this because you have a 1st grader.

+1 Tired of all these first grade mommies thinking they know when they don't know anything and don't have to make long commutes to high schools in addition to all the other activities the kids have. Deep friendship in first? That's laughable! And to top it off, shes insulting to people on the spectrum.

I do feel for your kids, who apparently didn’t have the right parental role model to allow for them to develop close friendships early in their lives.

But turning from that failure, you guys should spend some time reviewing the notes that FCPS posted from the boundary change feedback sessions last year.

If you think that families don’t care about communities, you’ll walk away with a newfound understanding that your way of thinking is in the extreme minority in Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, they should just set the boundaries for Skyview and let the rest sort out. Westfield will still have plenty of kids. Chantilly will be smaller.
They may need to do something about Centreville overcrowding and send some of those kids to Westfield.

PP here.
I meant that Chantilly will be less crowded--not smaller than Westfield.

It does seem to me that moving those Cub Run kids who attend Chantilly to Westfield might be reasonable.

The dividing line here should be Route 28, not Walney Road. Moving the kids in the small sliver in between from Chantilly to Westfields is crazy.

Why is it crazy? That area is one of the closest to Westfield HS that's not already zoned there (no S in Westfield BTW-where do you live where you don't know the name of the schools?)

This is such an odd nitpick when nearly everything in the surrounding area of the school is Westfields with an S.

Not really. It makes you sound ill-informed. Why should anyone consider your opinion when you don't even know the name of the school?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, they should just set the boundaries for Skyview and let the rest sort out. Westfield will still have plenty of kids. Chantilly will be smaller.
They may need to do something about Centreville overcrowding and send some of those kids to Westfield.

PP here.
I meant that Chantilly will be less crowded--not smaller than Westfield.

It does seem to me that moving those Cub Run kids who attend Chantilly to Westfield might be reasonable.

The dividing line here should be Route 28, not Walney Road. Moving the kids in the small sliver in between from Chantilly to Westfields is crazy.

Why is it crazy? That area is one of the closest to Westfield HS that's not already zoned there (no S in Westfield BTW-where do you live where you don't know the name of the schools?)

I live in the Chantilly pyramid. You?

Many of those students can/do walk to Chantilly, which isn't an option for WestfielD (happy?).

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Anonymous wrote:Navy mommies are outdoing the Rios tonight. God forbid their first grader gets moved to Chantilly from Oakton. Half the distance and a fairly equal school. Where is the humanity??? Welp!

LOL. I heard that. A clueless parent who literally said “distance doesn’t matter so much as keeping them with friends.” For a first grader!!!

Are you on the spectrum? By first grade my kid had deep friendships with classmates.

I feel sorry for your kids that they have a parent that thinks distance is the only factor to consider in schools.

You and PP are learning, shockingly apparently in real-time, that it is not just about rankings and distance, most of us care about our community above all else. Community is what makes a school desirable.

I’m curious why you chose to use being on the spectrum as an insult? Do you think it’s ok to insult people by claiming they have a disability? Gross.

There is no such thing as a “deep” friendship in 1st grade. By the time your child gets to high school, friendships will have changed a dozen times. In fact, middle school is a time where kids will make a ton of new friends that will go to their high school. Absolutely no one is making a decision about high schools based on the opinions of a first grade parent. In each scenario your own child will get to stay at their assigned elementary school anyway. And maybe you don’t realize it, but in 2 of the 3 scenarios, your entire community would actually feed into the same high school! If your child’s friendship is so deep by first grade, wouldn’t you want that? So what is the problem?

And when you are talking about high school, you must understand distance is a major factor. That’s what we heard time and time again at the meeting last night. High schoolers often have to stay after for activities or service hours or to make up tests. Kids involved in band or orchestra may have to stay after to practice. Or they have to return to school for an evening event. High schoolers also stay up later doing homework and need more sleep. Getting up earlier for a further commute isn’t an option. You don’t understand any of this because you have a 1st grader.

A symptom of being on the spectrum is often the inability to see anyone’s opinion but your own and to not fully understand social cues and dynamics.

You’ve only confirmed our suspicion.

You’re doubling down on using the spectrum as an insult. I can assure you I am not on the spectrum. I do, however, have a family member with severe autism and would appreciate if you wouldn’t keep throwing this insult around.

What scenario doesn’t work for you? In all of the scenarios your kids stay together for the both elementary and high school level. I fail to see how this tears your community apart?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, they should just set the boundaries for Skyview and let the rest sort out. Westfield will still have plenty of kids. Chantilly will be smaller.
They may need to do something about Centreville overcrowding and send some of those kids to Westfield.

PP here.
I meant that Chantilly will be less crowded--not smaller than Westfield.

It does seem to me that moving those Cub Run kids who attend Chantilly to Westfield might be reasonable.

The dividing line here should be Route 28, not Walney Road. Moving the kids in the small sliver in between from Chantilly to Westfields is crazy.

Why is it crazy? That area is one of the closest to Westfield HS that's not already zoned there (no S in Westfield BTW-where do you live where you don't know the name of the schools?)

I live in the Chantilly pyramid. You?

Many of those students can/do walk to Chantilly, which isn't an option for WestfielD (happy?).

It doesn't matter that they are closer to Chantilly. They are also close(r) to Westfield than any other area not already slated to Westfield and the rest of their school already goes to Westfield. Moving that area is one of the most logical suggestions in this whole mess.

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What could possibly be more logical than aligning all of Cub Run Es with the Stone-Westfield pyramid?

What do you think would make *more* sense as an alternative?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, they should just set the boundaries for Skyview and let the rest sort out. Westfield will still have plenty of kids. Chantilly will be smaller.
They may need to do something about Centreville overcrowding and send some of those kids to Westfield.

PP here.
I meant that Chantilly will be less crowded--not smaller than Westfield.

It does seem to me that moving those Cub Run kids who attend Chantilly to Westfield might be reasonable.

The dividing line here should be Route 28, not Walney Road. Moving the kids in the small sliver in between from Chantilly to Westfields is crazy.

Why is it crazy? That area is one of the closest to Westfield HS that's not already zoned there (no S in Westfield BTW-where do you live where you don't know the name of the schools?)

I live in the Chantilly pyramid. You?

Many of those students can/do walk to Chantilly, which isn't an option for WestfielD (happy?).

It looks pretty far to regularly walk (3 miles) but assuming that's true, so what?

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I am a Navy parent with an older kid who is completely indifferent about the move to Chantilly. They are both great schools. And for all of the talk of community, my child is in middle school with a lot of kids who will go to Chantilly. So it is hard to make friends and know you won't see them in high school. But if Navy gets zoned out of Oakton, then Crossfield should as well. It would make no sense to leave Crossfield there.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, they should just set the boundaries for Skyview and let the rest sort out. Westfield will still have plenty of kids. Chantilly will be smaller.
They may need to do something about Centreville overcrowding and send some of those kids to Westfield.

PP here.
I meant that Chantilly will be less crowded--not smaller than Westfield.

It does seem to me that moving those Cub Run kids who attend Chantilly to Westfield might be reasonable.

The dividing line here should be Route 28, not Walney Road. Moving the kids in the small sliver in between from Chantilly to Westfields is crazy.

Why is it crazy? That area is one of the closest to Westfield HS that's not already zoned there (no S in Westfield BTW-where do you live where you don't know the name of the schools?)

I live in the Chantilly pyramid. You?

Many of those students can/do walk to Chantilly, which isn't an option for WestfielD (happy?).

It looks pretty far to regularly walk (3 miles) but assuming that's true, so what?

Which part of Lee's Corner is three miles from Chantilly? Most is far less than two miles. And, many do walk.

And, to the person who thinks that the sliver that goes to Cub Run should not cross 28. you are suggesting that Lee's Corner cross 28--and they are way further away from it.
Lee's Corner is ONE stoplight away from Chantilly for more than 90% of the students.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, they should just set the boundaries for Skyview and let the rest sort out. Westfield will still have plenty of kids. Chantilly will be smaller.
They may need to do something about Centreville overcrowding and send some of those kids to Westfield.

PP here.
I meant that Chantilly will be less crowded--not smaller than Westfield.

It does seem to me that moving those Cub Run kids who attend Chantilly to Westfield might be reasonable.

The dividing line here should be Route 28, not Walney Road. Moving the kids in the small sliver in between from Chantilly to Westfields is crazy.

Why is it crazy? That area is one of the closest to Westfield HS that's not already zoned there (no S in Westfield BTW-where do you live where you don't know the name of the schools?)

I live in the Chantilly pyramid. You?

Many of those students can/do walk to Chantilly, which isn't an option for WestfielD (happy?).

It looks pretty far to regularly walk (3 miles) but assuming that's true, so what?

Which part of Lee's Corner is three miles from Chantilly? Most is far less than two miles. And, many do walk.

And, to the person who thinks that the sliver that goes to Cub Run should not cross 28. you are suggesting that Lee's Corner cross 28--and they are way further away from it.
Lee's Corner is ONE stoplight away from Chantilly for more than 90% of the students.

How many students at Chantilly are currently from Lees Corner?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, they should just set the boundaries for Skyview and let the rest sort out. Westfield will still have plenty of kids. Chantilly will be smaller.
They may need to do something about Centreville overcrowding and send some of those kids to Westfield.

PP here.
I meant that Chantilly will be less crowded--not smaller than Westfield.

It does seem to me that moving those Cub Run kids who attend Chantilly to Westfield might be reasonable.

The dividing line here should be Route 28, not Walney Road. Moving the kids in the small sliver in between from Chantilly to Westfields is crazy.

Why is it crazy? That area is one of the closest to Westfield HS that's not already zoned there (no S in Westfield BTW-where do you live where you don't know the name of the schools?)

I live in the Chantilly pyramid. You?

Many of those students can/do walk to Chantilly, which isn't an option for WestfielD (happy?).

It looks pretty far to regularly walk (3 miles) but assuming that's true, so what?

Which part of Lee's Corner is three miles from Chantilly? Most is far less than two miles. And, many do walk.

And, to the person who thinks that the sliver that goes to Cub Run should not cross 28. you are suggesting that Lee's Corner cross 28--and they are way further away from it.
Lee's Corner is ONE stoplight away from Chantilly for more than 90% of the students.

Its around three miles to Chantilly High school from that piece of Cub Run they are moving to Westfield from Chantillly. PP was saying kids walk from that area to CHS.