Handmaid’s Tale season 4

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Anonymous wrote:I’m convinced June’s relationship with Luke is doomed. I’m not sure when or how, but she’s going to wind up with Nick.

Nah, I think Nick's a goner sooner or later.

Agree. He will die saving, or trying to save, Hannah.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m totally at a loss in trying to figure out commander Lawrence’s motivation with respect to his conversation with Lydia. He essentially pumped her up to go torture Janine??? I always thought he was a good guy (relatively speaking). Did he know about Lydia and Janine’s weird relationship so he was in a way protecting Janine?

Anyone have theories that can help me figure this out?

He has deemed Lydia a sadist (her "hobby" lol), and effectively gave her Janine as a masochistic toy to occupy herself. Looks like she'll get Mrs. Keen to toy with as well. His interest is her usefulness to him, has no regard for Janine imo since she has caused too much trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:JANINE!!!

So worried for her, though. Hard to see how she will be able to escape now.

I was really thrown by all of the people cheering for the Waterfords after Fred’s outburst during June’s testimony. Surprised that they would receive any support in Canada, even from the Christian sect.

Someone used the word deplorable at the beginning of the episode. They were making a point about our current Trump psychos choosing fascism and authoritarianism, cheering for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m totally at a loss in trying to figure out commander Lawrence’s motivation with respect to his conversation with Lydia. He essentially pumped her up to go torture Janine??? I always thought he was a good guy (relatively speaking). Did he know about Lydia and Janine’s weird relationship so he was in a way protecting Janine?

Anyone have theories that can help me figure this out?

I was going to say that I think he's kind of a sociopath, but I actually think he operates by a totally different code than most people. Number one is saving his skin. Number two is seeing his economic theories realized. Third is sticking it to the parts of Gilead that don't affect his economic theories and that he doesn't like.

His interaction with Lydia fits into box three IMO. I think he knows that Lydia won't be able to harm or torture Janine. Maybe a little of box one. Seems like he's the commander now in charge of the Handmaid program, so he needs Lydia to get it/keep it together.

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Anonymous wrote:Janine could be pregnant from that jerk rebel.

I’m waiting for Lydia to turn around and hoping that the Testaments version comes through this season. Not much hope though. Janine might be able to turn her.

I’m the PP who called Nick a double agent. I still believe that. I’m curious to see how June uses Luke to achieve her goals regarding Gilead revenge/revolution. I can see the Moira friendship fracture as June works to turn everyone into battle mode. I think there’s more to come there.

June needs a fight and won’t be satisfied with legal justice. I don’t think that will come and it would not be enough if it does. Even if Hannah came back June cannot stop fighting at this point until Gilead is destroyed.

The Waterfords will go back to Gilead for sure.

So many possibilities for the next few episodes and seasons!

I think we are in for another twist here. This hearing was to basically indict Fred. Not Fred and Serena. Fred. I think at the end of this Serena will try to save herself by claiming asylum/that she's just another victim of Gilead because I do think Fred is going down. They have been setting this up the whole season and part of the last. And that puts June in a very conflicted position. She tried to throw a bone to Serena in the hearing with the whole reading/finger thing.

It really reminds me of reading about the apartheid system in some ways. Pitting all the underclasses against each other to maintain minority rule.

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I think they will trade Hannah for Fred and Serena.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they will trade Hannah for Fred and Serena.

Really? One girl for a war criminal/2 rapists?

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Anonymous wrote:I think they will trade Hannah for Fred and Serena.

And/or June. There’s another season of this show to go, so if Hannah winds up in Canada this year, what the heck is season five going to be about, unless Iune is back in Gilead?

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Anonymous wrote:I think they will trade Hannah for Fred and Serena.

And/or June. There’s another season of this show to go, so if Hannah winds up in Canada this year, what the heck is season five going to be about, unless Iune is back in Gilead?

Could be June too. This season is really slow. Not impressed.

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Anonymous wrote:Janine could be pregnant from that jerk rebel.

I’m waiting for Lydia to turn around and hoping that the Testaments version comes through this season. Not much hope though. Janine might be able to turn her.

I’m the PP who called Nick a double agent. I still believe that. I’m curious to see how June uses Luke to achieve her goals regarding Gilead revenge/revolution. I can see the Moira friendship fracture as June works to turn everyone into battle mode. I think there’s more to come there.

June needs a fight and won’t be satisfied with legal justice. I don’t think that will come and it would not be enough if it does. Even if Hannah came back June cannot stop fighting at this point until Gilead is destroyed.

The Waterfords will go back to Gilead for sure.

So many possibilities for the next few episodes and seasons!

This would make the storyline about Emily’s aunt make sense. They’re setting us up to think about whether or not Aunt’s can repent and how.

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Anonymous wrote:Good acting from Elisabeth Moss. To me she overacts and I find it annoying, but in this episode I felt like she played each scene perfectly. Also, I can’t fathom what it must feel like to leave Gilead knowing your child is still there. I think it must be painful beyond words.

Most mothers would want to see their second child nonstop after arriving.

that is hilarious. "most mothers" and how many mothers do you know who have been systematically raped, tortured, shot at and blown up? I would say a certain level of underlying trauma would stop anyone from the "normal" responses of a parent separated from a child.

I agree, she barely knows Nichole and it’s further complicated by the face she knows Waterford might be the biological father. Giving birth to a baby is one thing but raising one to 4 or whatever it was and having her ripped away is quite another

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Anonymous wrote:I’m totally at a loss in trying to figure out commander Lawrence’s motivation with respect to his conversation with Lydia. He essentially pumped her up to go torture Janine??? I always thought he was a good guy (relatively speaking). Did he know about Lydia and Janine’s weird relationship so he was in a way protecting Janine?

Anyone have theories that can help me figure this out?

I was going to say that I think he's kind of a sociopath, but I actually think he operates by a totally different code than most people. Number one is saving his skin. Number two is seeing his economic theories realized. Third is sticking it to the parts of Gilead that don't affect his economic theories and that he doesn't like.

His interaction with Lydia fits into box three IMO. I think he knows that Lydia won't be able to harm or torture Janine. Maybe a little of box one. Seems like he's the commander now in charge of the Handmaid program, so he needs Lydia to get it/keep it together.

This mostly. He gets the best, funniest lines. He is mercurial. We can't pin down who he is because he is the baddest MF of them all, just not the most powerful of them all.

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Anonymous wrote:JANINE!!!

So worried for her, though. Hard to see how she will be able to escape now.

I was really thrown by all of the people cheering for the Waterfords after Fred’s outburst during June’s testimony. Surprised that they would receive any support in Canada, even from the Christian sect.

Someone used the word deplorable at the beginning of the episode. They were making a point about our current Trump psychos choosing fascism and authoritarianism, cheering for it.

Probably, but a friend suggested that they are all likely desperately infertile people who also want to be “blessed” like Serena and Fred.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m convinced June’s relationship with Luke is doomed. I’m not sure when or how, but she’s going to wind up with Nick.

At least she didn’t rape him this episode. I was so relieved that he was able to stop her.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m convinced June’s relationship with Luke is doomed. I’m not sure when or how, but she’s going to wind up with Nick.

At least she didn’t rape him this episode. I was so relieved that he was able to stop her.

I came into the last couple of episodes with a meh opinion of Luke, but he has improved in my eyes. At least he is somewhat patient with June and is tolerating the fallout from her/their trauma.

I’m really not feeling June with either Luke or Nick long term, tbh. Doesn’t she at some point need to come to grips with the fact that Nick has been a party to atrocities, even if he did save her? Maybe he has been a reluctant participant, maybe he is working against Gilead in the long run, but- he has never explicitly said anything like that to her. His motives are not clearly good.