FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?

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Anonymous wrote:If I'm Loudoun and they let in FCV who operates a stone's throw away, I would be incensed. I could be wrong but I don't think there is a single case of them doing this to an existing club.

Except that some ECNL clubs have two teams playing in the same age group in the same division in the same brackets (PDA White and PDA Blue or FC Stars Blue and FC Stars White). If you can have teams in the same club compete in an ECNL bracket, what’s the issue with having clubs a few miles away from each other compete.

PDA and FC Stars have demonstrated they have the player pool to support two clubs. Isn't the area is saturated already with the 4 NoVA clubs?

So you are saying that FCV and Arlington player pool at the elite level is lesser than that of the current ECNL clubs? Adding those two teams to ECNL doesn't grow the player pool - the FCV and Arlington players already exist and have supported very strong teams in every older age group.

I'm saying that adding two teams does not increase the elite playing pool. It will be the same size this year as it was last year. There are not enough truly elite players in the NoVA area to support more than 4 teams at every age group.

ECNL lost the high ground on that when they admitted Loudoun and BRYC.

Yes, that's right, and at the time, that was probably the right move. Now, of course, they're member clubs which ECNL appears to be honoring and protecting, at least so far. If they end up denying FCV, MU, and ARL, they'll be recovering the majority of that talent.

Well that’s nice. Force kids who have been at their chosen clubs for years to move in order to make the poor performing clubs you added in desperation better.

To be fair, no elite league has ever put the priority on the players, that's just the way it is here. These leagues are built and supported by the clubs. If you listen to Lavers interviews, he says that every player will still have a spot to play soccer, as if that somehow justifies it. Left unsaid is that it may not be at the level they perceived they were at last year. And in truth, these players don't have to leave their clubs. This "correction" is a painful and cruel one for lots of talented players.

Just saying, clubs were added out of desperation and now due to lucky circumstances they’ll get gifted with talent.

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Anonymous wrote:If I'm Loudoun and they let in FCV who operates a stone's throw away, I would be incensed. I could be wrong but I don't think there is a single case of them doing this to an existing club.

Except that some ECNL clubs have two teams playing in the same age group in the same division in the same brackets (PDA White and PDA Blue or FC Stars Blue and FC Stars White). If you can have teams in the same club compete in an ECNL bracket, what’s the issue with having clubs a few miles away from each other compete.

PDA and FC Stars have demonstrated they have the player pool to support two clubs. Isn't the area is saturated already with the 4 NoVA clubs?

So you are saying that FCV and Arlington player pool at the elite level is lesser than that of the current ECNL clubs? Adding those two teams to ECNL doesn't grow the player pool - the FCV and Arlington players already exist and have supported very strong teams in every older age group.

I'm saying that adding two teams does not increase the elite playing pool. It will be the same size this year as it was last year. There are not enough truly elite players in the NoVA area to support more than 4 teams at every age group.

ECNL lost the high ground on that when they admitted Loudoun and BRYC.

Yes, that's right, and at the time, that was probably the right move. Now, of course, they're member clubs which ECNL appears to be honoring and protecting, at least so far. If they end up denying FCV, MU, and ARL, they'll be recovering the majority of that talent.

Well that’s nice. Force kids who have been at their chosen clubs for years to move in order to make the poor performing clubs you added in desperation better.

To be fair, no elite league has ever put the priority on the players, that's just the way it is here. These leagues are built and supported by the clubs. If you listen to Lavers interviews, he says that every player will still have a spot to play soccer, as if that somehow justifies it. Left unsaid is that it may not be at the level they perceived they were at last year. And in truth, these players don't have to leave their clubs. This "correction" is a painful and cruel one for lots of talented players.

Just saying, clubs were added out of desperation and now due to lucky circumstances they’ll get gifted with talent.

Didn’t the same thing happen when the DA started?

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing from FCV.

They had a zoom meeting with all the details this week.

They had zoom meetings with at least four of the age groups, but to say “with all the details” is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think?

+1 Agree. I believe all the Ex-DA teams were covered. Not sure what if anything has been shared with other Non-Ex-DA teams in the club.

This is a fact. Our team has heard nothing!

If your team is not a former DA team why would you expect to hear anything?

What an an A hole comment. It’s not only ex DA players that are impacted by this change. It will have an impact on the entire club and it’s future. The reality is that FCV’s chance of survival as a club isn’t looking good.

No, you’re really not immediately impacted. You’re not on a team who’s league no longer exists. DA imploding only matters to a very small percentage of players and you are not one of them.

LOL i have a player on a DA team, I just don’t have the pompous attitude FCV parents are infamous for.

It isn’t being pompous.

The DA teams are impacted IMMEDIATELY. The club brand is tied to where their top teams play. There is a lot of work to be done to sort out where the club will place their A teams. Sorry, but that takes functional priority over holding Zoom meetings with every team who are not yet directly impacted. You can choose to be upset by this but the hard truth is there is currently no change for any B team. They will be playing in their same league next year.

Whether you are an FCV coach (God I hope not) or a parent, you are making some bold assumptions. These other teams will be impacted whether directly or indirectly. I never said it was an immediate impact. But you can rest assure your top teams next year will simply not be the same.

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Anonymous wrote:If I'm Loudoun and they let in FCV who operates a stone's throw away, I would be incensed. I could be wrong but I don't think there is a single case of them doing this to an existing club.

Except that some ECNL clubs have two teams playing in the same age group in the same division in the same brackets (PDA White and PDA Blue or FC Stars Blue and FC Stars White). If you can have teams in the same club compete in an ECNL bracket, what’s the issue with having clubs a few miles away from each other compete.

PDA and FC Stars have demonstrated they have the player pool to support two clubs. Isn't the area is saturated already with the 4 NoVA clubs?

So you are saying that FCV and Arlington player pool at the elite level is lesser than that of the current ECNL clubs? Adding those two teams to ECNL doesn't grow the player pool - the FCV and Arlington players already exist and have supported very strong teams in every older age group.

I'm saying that adding two teams does not increase the elite playing pool. It will be the same size this year as it was last year. There are not enough truly elite players in the NoVA area to support more than 4 teams at every age group.

ECNL lost the high ground on that when they admitted Loudoun and BRYC.

Yes, that's right, and at the time, that was probably the right move. Now, of course, they're member clubs which ECNL appears to be honoring and protecting, at least so far. If they end up denying FCV, MU, and ARL, they'll be recovering the majority of that talent.

If you are a talented ex-DA player, why are you automatically going to BRYC and/or Loudoun? To play in ECNL with a worse team and worse coaching? I can understand if there are a group of players going in an age group with their coach. But just going to an inferior club so you can play in a tougher league isn't necessarily the best choice. You would likely be playing with lesser talent and against teams much better than yours. It's a hard call for whoever has to make it.

And, no, I don't have a kid in this situation. Just curious why leaving is slam dunk.

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Anonymous wrote:If I'm Loudoun and they let in FCV who operates a stone's throw away, I would be incensed. I could be wrong but I don't think there is a single case of them doing this to an existing club.

Except that some ECNL clubs have two teams playing in the same age group in the same division in the same brackets (PDA White and PDA Blue or FC Stars Blue and FC Stars White). If you can have teams in the same club compete in an ECNL bracket, what’s the issue with having clubs a few miles away from each other compete.

PDA and FC Stars have demonstrated they have the player pool to support two clubs. Isn't the area is saturated already with the 4 NoVA clubs?

So you are saying that FCV and Arlington player pool at the elite level is lesser than that of the current ECNL clubs? Adding those two teams to ECNL doesn't grow the player pool - the FCV and Arlington players already exist and have supported very strong teams in every older age group.

I'm saying that adding two teams does not increase the elite playing pool. It will be the same size this year as it was last year. There are not enough truly elite players in the NoVA area to support more than 4 teams at every age group.

ECNL lost the high ground on that when they admitted Loudoun and BRYC.

Yes, that's right, and at the time, that was probably the right move. Now, of course, they're member clubs which ECNL appears to be honoring and protecting, at least so far. If they end up denying FCV, MU, and ARL, they'll be recovering the majority of that talent.

If you are a talented ex-DA player, why are you automatically going to BRYC and/or Loudoun? To play in ECNL with a worse team and worse coaching? I can understand if there are a group of players going in an age group with their coach. But just going to an inferior club so you can play in a tougher league isn't necessarily the best choice. You would likely be playing with lesser talent and against teams much better than yours. It's a hard call for whoever has to make it.

And, no, I don't have a kid in this situation. Just curious why leaving is slam dunk.

Why do you assume they are inferior teams/clubs/coaches? Have to look at each club/team/age group differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing from FCV.

They had a zoom meeting with all the details this week.

They had zoom meetings with at least four of the age groups, but to say “with all the details” is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think?

+1 Agree. I believe all the Ex-DA teams were covered. Not sure what if anything has been shared with other Non-Ex-DA teams in the club.

This is a fact. Our team has heard nothing!

If your team is not a former DA team why would you expect to hear anything?

What an an A hole comment. It’s not only ex DA players that are impacted by this change. It will have an impact on the entire club and it’s future. The reality is that FCV’s chance of survival as a club isn’t looking good.

No, you’re really not immediately impacted. You’re not on a team who’s league no longer exists. DA imploding only matters to a very small percentage of players and you are not one of them.

LOL i have a player on a DA team, I just don’t have the pompous attitude FCV parents are infamous for.

It isn’t being pompous.

The DA teams are impacted IMMEDIATELY. The club brand is tied to where their top teams play. There is a lot of work to be done to sort out where the club will place their A teams. Sorry, but that takes functional priority over holding Zoom meetings with every team who are not yet directly impacted. You can choose to be upset by this but the hard truth is there is currently no change for any B team. They will be playing in their same league next year.

Whether you are an FCV coach (God I hope not) or a parent, you are making some bold assumptions. These other teams will be impacted whether directly or indirectly. I never said it was an immediate impact. But you can rest assure your top teams next year will simply not be the same.

And what exactly has there been to tell the other teams? They are scrambling to form a league, join a league all of which is very fluid.

It is not pompous, there is just very little information to share that is worth the distraction of fielding all the team meetings and all the parent questions. They told those who were most directly impacted first then they went about the business of figuring out a solution.

And regardless of the league selected it is really only as good as the players who stay and that is out of the clubs hands.

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Anonymous wrote:If I'm Loudoun and they let in FCV who operates a stone's throw away, I would be incensed. I could be wrong but I don't think there is a single case of them doing this to an existing club.

Except that some ECNL clubs have two teams playing in the same age group in the same division in the same brackets (PDA White and PDA Blue or FC Stars Blue and FC Stars White). If you can have teams in the same club compete in an ECNL bracket, what’s the issue with having clubs a few miles away from each other compete.

PDA and FC Stars have demonstrated they have the player pool to support two clubs. Isn't the area is saturated already with the 4 NoVA clubs?

So you are saying that FCV and Arlington player pool at the elite level is lesser than that of the current ECNL clubs? Adding those two teams to ECNL doesn't grow the player pool - the FCV and Arlington players already exist and have supported very strong teams in every older age group.

I'm saying that adding two teams does not increase the elite playing pool. It will be the same size this year as it was last year. There are not enough truly elite players in the NoVA area to support more than 4 teams at every age group.

ECNL lost the high ground on that when they admitted Loudoun and BRYC.

Yes, that's right, and at the time, that was probably the right move. Now, of course, they're member clubs which ECNL appears to be honoring and protecting, at least so far. If they end up denying FCV, MU, and ARL, they'll be recovering the majority of that talent.

If you are a talented ex-DA player, why are you automatically going to BRYC and/or Loudoun? To play in ECNL with a worse team and worse coaching? I can understand if there are a group of players going in an age group with their coach. But just going to an inferior club so you can play in a tougher league isn't necessarily the best choice. You would likely be playing with lesser talent and against teams much better than yours. It's a hard call for whoever has to make it.

And, no, I don't have a kid in this situation. Just curious why leaving is slam dunk.

It’s not. There are a lot of things that still need to settle out before my DD make a decision, including whether she has some useful conversations with college coaches after June 15. She’s an 04 so that’s when real conversations can start.

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Anonymous wrote:If I'm Loudoun and they let in FCV who operates a stone's throw away, I would be incensed. I could be wrong but I don't think there is a single case of them doing this to an existing club.

Except that some ECNL clubs have two teams playing in the same age group in the same division in the same brackets (PDA White and PDA Blue or FC Stars Blue and FC Stars White). If you can have teams in the same club compete in an ECNL bracket, what’s the issue with having clubs a few miles away from each other compete.

PDA and FC Stars have demonstrated they have the player pool to support two clubs. Isn't the area is saturated already with the 4 NoVA clubs?

So you are saying that FCV and Arlington player pool at the elite level is lesser than that of the current ECNL clubs? Adding those two teams to ECNL doesn't grow the player pool - the FCV and Arlington players already exist and have supported very strong teams in every older age group.

I'm saying that adding two teams does not increase the elite playing pool. It will be the same size this year as it was last year. There are not enough truly elite players in the NoVA area to support more than 4 teams at every age group.

ECNL lost the high ground on that when they admitted Loudoun and BRYC.

Yes, that's right, and at the time, that was probably the right move. Now, of course, they're member clubs which ECNL appears to be honoring and protecting, at least so far. If they end up denying FCV, MU, and ARL, they'll be recovering the majority of that talent.

If you are a talented ex-DA player, why are you automatically going to BRYC and/or Loudoun? To play in ECNL with a worse team and worse coaching? I can understand if there are a group of players going in an age group with their coach. But just going to an inferior club so you can play in a tougher league isn't necessarily the best choice. You would likely be playing with lesser talent and against teams much better than yours. It's a hard call for whoever has to make it.

And, no, I don't have a kid in this situation. Just curious why leaving is slam dunk.

You have assumed in that formula that only one kid would go. If the venue is elite, wouldn’t every kid that thinks they’re elite go? Your scenario calls for a weird edition of game theory in which the maximum value is achievable through going to ECNL for tryouts at least. If they’re not selected, then their decision-making starts.

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"If you are a talented ex-DA player, why are you automatically going to BRYC and/or Loudoun? To play in ECNL with a worse team and worse coaching? I can understand if there are a group of players going in an age group with their coach. But just going to an inferior club so you can play in a tougher league isn't necessarily the best choice. You would likely be playing with lesser talent and against teams much better than yours. It's a hard call for whoever has to make it.

And, no, I don't have a kid in this situation. Just curious why leaving is slam dunk."


For the older age groups trying to play in college it simply boils down to getting the most E X P O S U R E! Notice I said most. Yes, these other leagues will have some exposure, though limited. And truly elite players will be found, regardless of where they are. Case in point, the number of international players in collegiate soccer. But the reality is thatnot every player that aspires to play college ball is elite. In any case, the ECNL will now be the #1 destination for the college scouting community. Period. Any other league or venue will be second rate, an afterthought. The most elite ex-DA players will most likely seek to find new homes at existing ECNL clubs, again to maximize exposure - unless they've already had offers and can stay put, if they choose, and can now choose to play High School ball, which would be less demanding. So, the most impacted by all of this will be those good, but not-so elite players, who may be on the brink, but yet to hit their stride. Basically, the majority of players, if we're being honest. The elite players will be found, regardless. The good players can benefit from as most exposure as they can get, playing in the best platform and against forseeably, the best competition.

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Anonymous wrote:"If you are a talented ex-DA player, why are you automatically going to BRYC and/or Loudoun? To play in ECNL with a worse team and worse coaching? I can understand if there are a group of players going in an age group with their coach. But just going to an inferior club so you can play in a tougher league isn't necessarily the best choice. You would likely be playing with lesser talent and against teams much better than yours. It's a hard call for whoever has to make it.

And, no, I don't have a kid in this situation. Just curious why leaving is slam dunk."


For the older age groups trying to play in college it simply boils down to getting the most E X P O S U R E! Notice I said most. Yes, these other leagues will have some exposure, though limited. And truly elite players will be found, regardless of where they are. Case in point, the number of international players in collegiate soccer. But the reality is thatnot every player that aspires to play college ball is elite. In any case, the ECNL will now be the #1 destination for the college scouting community. Period. Any other league or venue will be second rate, an afterthought. The most elite ex-DA players will most likely seek to find new homes at existing ECNL clubs, again to maximize exposure - unless they've already had offers and can stay put, if they choose, and can now choose to play High School ball, which would be less demanding. So, the most impacted by all of this will be those good, but not-so elite players, who may be on the brink, but yet to hit their stride. Basically, the majority of players, if we're being honest. The elite players will be found, regardless. The good players can benefit from as most exposure as they can get, playing in the best platform and against forseeably, the best competition.

Your experience is?

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Anonymous wrote:"If you are a talented ex-DA player, why are you automatically going to BRYC and/or Loudoun? To play in ECNL with a worse team and worse coaching? I can understand if there are a group of players going in an age group with their coach. But just going to an inferior club so you can play in a tougher league isn't necessarily the best choice. You would likely be playing with lesser talent and against teams much better than yours. It's a hard call for whoever has to make it.

And, no, I don't have a kid in this situation. Just curious why leaving is slam dunk."


For the older age groups trying to play in college it simply boils down to getting the most E X P O S U R E! Notice I said most. Yes, these other leagues will have some exposure, though limited. And truly elite players will be found, regardless of where they are. Case in point, the number of international players in collegiate soccer. But the reality is thatnot every player that aspires to play college ball is elite. In any case, the ECNL will now be the #1 destination for the college scouting community. Period. Any other league or venue will be second rate, an afterthought. The most elite ex-DA players will most likely seek to find new homes at existing ECNL clubs, again to maximize exposure - unless they've already had offers and can stay put, if they choose, and can now choose to play High School ball, which would be less demanding. So, the most impacted by all of this will be those good, but not-so elite players, who may be on the brink, but yet to hit their stride. Basically, the majority of players, if we're being honest. The elite players will be found, regardless. The good players can benefit from as most exposure as they can get, playing in the best platform and against forseeably, the best competition.

“The good players can benefit from as most exposure as they can get, playing in the best platform and against forseeably, the best competition.”

No, the elite players in ECNL will benefit from the exposure. Kids unable to afford ECNL costs will still get recruited, although yes it will require more individual work (ID camps, communication, etc).

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Since when did Arlington and MU become elite? FCV is an elite club but the rest of the area DA clubs are below average.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when did Arlington and MU become elite? FCV is an elite club but the rest of the area DA clubs are below average.

Arlington has a claim to being elite. MU does not.

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Arlington's DA teams are VERY strong, esp 06, which defeated FCV 06 DA last year BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when did Arlington and MU become elite? FCV is an elite club but the rest of the area DA clubs are below average.

I don't think the club/former club is relevant when we are looking at player movement and who is "elite" or hopes to be considered "elite" during recruiting. It's individual players. At various age groups, all the DA clubs have individual very talented players. When you put them all together on a team, some teams (and age groups) at each club are obviously deeper and stronger than others.