Official Abortion Thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

Abortion has, for the most part, been performed in the U.S. since its legalization: in freestanding clinics, separate from hospitals and the rest of the medical establishment.

Some hospitals do provide abortions; medically complex abortions.

But the clinics do the bulk of the procedures and provide training and other essential services. Many hospitals, for political reasons, don’t provide abortion training. They will be defunded.

Many hospitals refuse to provide abortions because they help people live and aren’t in the business of elective procedures to kill healthy unborn babies. Medical staff are resistant because of first do no harm and all.

The vast majority of abortions take place in dedicated free standing abortion clinics.

Your propaganda is patently false. Outright lying.

The morning after pill doesn't happen at a dedicated free standing abortion clinic. You're spouting propaganda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

Abortion has, for the most part, been performed in the U.S. since its legalization: in freestanding clinics, separate from hospitals and the rest of the medical establishment.

Some hospitals do provide abortions; medically complex abortions.

But the clinics do the bulk of the procedures and provide training and other essential services. Many hospitals, for political reasons, don’t provide abortion training. They will be defunded.

Many hospitals refuse to provide abortions because they help people live and aren’t in the business of elective procedures to kill healthy unborn babies. Medical staff are resistant because of first do no harm and all.

The vast majority of abortions take place in dedicated free standing abortion clinics.

Your propaganda is patently false. Outright lying.

Abortions are done in lots of places. If it’s not advertised, it’s largely because the providers don’t feel like getting bombed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing wrong with leaving the legality of abortion to individual states.

Yes, there is. States are not allowed to decide about constitutionally protected rights. That's why we have a federal government and are not a confederacy.

Roe v Wade was a seriously flawed decision which needs to be modified or reversed.

Roe v Wade was flawed. The right to privacy was a made up thing at the time. But it is part of a line of a hugely important cases to the American pUblic. Right to access birth control, right to marry outside your race, right to engage in homosexual behavior, right to educate your children as you prefer (religious schooling), right to end medical “heroic measures”, right to compose your family as you see fit (it the context of laws banning multiple generations from living together”— these were all right to privacy cases.

If you get rid of the right to privacy, all these cases fall. Some, like being allowed to send kids to private or religious schools, conservative like.

The difference is that in the case of abortion, the rights of an unborn child is subjugated to the wishes of the woman carrying the child. Even Roe when it was decided was predicated on the viability of the fetus outside of the mother's womb which is why the abortions in the third semester was constrained. With medical advances that viability has become possible at an even earlier point in the pregnancy.

The survival of very preterm infants has improved substantially in the past two decades, such that the gestational age at which at least half of very preterm infants survive has decreased to 23 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

Abortion has, for the most part, been performed in the U.S. since its legalization: in freestanding clinics, separate from hospitals and the rest of the medical establishment.

Some hospitals do provide abortions; medically complex abortions.

But the clinics do the bulk of the procedures and provide training and other essential services. Many hospitals, for political reasons, don’t provide abortion training. They will be defunded.

Many hospitals refuse to provide abortions because they help people live and aren’t in the business of elective procedures to kill healthy unborn babies. Medical staff are resistant because of first do no harm and all.

The vast majority of abortions take place in dedicated free standing abortion clinics.

Your propaganda is patently false. Outright lying.

Abortions are done in lots of places. If it’s not advertised, it’s largely because the providers don’t feel like getting bombed.

Really? So when pro choice people say a state has 3 abortion clinics and access is extremely limited and abortion is hard to come by- they are lying?

So there’s LOTS of abortion doctors everywhere and it’s kept on the down low?

Then shut up about abortion accessibility. It’s everywhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

Abortion has, for the most part, been performed in the U.S. since its legalization: in freestanding clinics, separate from hospitals and the rest of the medical establishment.

Some hospitals do provide abortions; medically complex abortions.

But the clinics do the bulk of the procedures and provide training and other essential services. Many hospitals, for political reasons, don’t provide abortion training. They will be defunded.

Many hospitals refuse to provide abortions because they help people live and aren’t in the business of elective procedures to kill healthy unborn babies. Medical staff are resistant because of first do no harm and all.

The vast majority of abortions take place in dedicated free standing abortion clinics.

Your propaganda is patently false. Outright lying.

Abortions are done in lots of places. If it’s not advertised, it’s largely because the providers don’t feel like getting bombed.

Really? So when pro choice people say a state has 3 abortion clinics and access is extremely limited and abortion is hard to come by- they are lying?

So there’s LOTS of abortion doctors everywhere and it’s kept on the down low?

Then shut up about abortion accessibility. It’s everywhere.

You're talking about lots of different things and lumping them together. Until recently, first trimester abortions took place many places. Your "free standing clinics" are for second and rarely third trimester abortions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

Abortion has, for the most part, been performed in the U.S. since its legalization: in freestanding clinics, separate from hospitals and the rest of the medical establishment.

Some hospitals do provide abortions; medically complex abortions.

But the clinics do the bulk of the procedures and provide training and other essential services. Many hospitals, for political reasons, don’t provide abortion training. They will be defunded.

Many hospitals refuse to provide abortions because they help people live and aren’t in the business of elective procedures to kill healthy unborn babies. Medical staff are resistant because of first do no harm and all.

The vast majority of abortions take place in dedicated free standing abortion clinics.

Your propaganda is patently false. Outright lying.

Abortions are done in lots of places. If it’s not advertised, it’s largely because the providers don’t feel like getting bombed.

Really? So when pro choice people say a state has 3 abortion clinics and access is extremely limited and abortion is hard to come by- they are lying?

So there’s LOTS of abortion doctors everywhere and it’s kept on the down low?

Then shut up about abortion accessibility. It’s everywhere.

When the average person off the street would have to drive 500 miles to get a 13-week abortion, it’s a problem. But, in the absence of stupid regulations from people with more bible thumping than medical sense, an early abortion can be done just about anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

Abortion has, for the most part, been performed in the U.S. since its legalization: in freestanding clinics, separate from hospitals and the rest of the medical establishment.

Some hospitals do provide abortions; medically complex abortions.

But the clinics do the bulk of the procedures and provide training and other essential services. Many hospitals, for political reasons, don’t provide abortion training. They will be defunded.

Many hospitals refuse to provide abortions because they help people live and aren’t in the business of elective procedures to kill healthy unborn babies. Medical staff are resistant because of first do no harm and all.

The vast majority of abortions take place in dedicated free standing abortion clinics.

Your propaganda is patently false. Outright lying.

Who cares where they happen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

Abortion has, for the most part, been performed in the U.S. since its legalization: in freestanding clinics, separate from hospitals and the rest of the medical establishment.

Some hospitals do provide abortions; medically complex abortions.

But the clinics do the bulk of the procedures and provide training and other essential services. Many hospitals, for political reasons, don’t provide abortion training. They will be defunded.

Many hospitals refuse to provide abortions because they help people live and aren’t in the business of elective procedures to kill healthy unborn babies. Medical staff are resistant because of first do no harm and all.

The vast majority of abortions take place in dedicated free standing abortion clinics.

Your propaganda is patently false. Outright lying.

Who cares where they happen?

Because if abortions happen in specific places and those places are forced to close, then (something something) no more abortions, only babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

Abortion has, for the most part, been performed in the U.S. since its legalization: in freestanding clinics, separate from hospitals and the rest of the medical establishment.

Some hospitals do provide abortions; medically complex abortions.

But the clinics do the bulk of the procedures and provide training and other essential services. Many hospitals, for political reasons, don’t provide abortion training. They will be defunded.

Many hospitals refuse to provide abortions because they help people live and aren’t in the business of elective procedures to kill healthy unborn babies. Medical staff are resistant because of first do no harm and all.

The vast majority of abortions take place in dedicated free standing abortion clinics.

Your propaganda is patently false. Outright lying.

Who cares where they happen?

The right wing loonies care a whole lot. That’s a key part of their strategy, to make them as hard to get as possible with regulations they’d never tolerate for something like a gun shop. Or even a porn shop for that matter.

[Anonymous]

I got my eyes lasered at a LASIK clinic.
I got my moles checked at a fancy dermatologist spa.
I had a nasty skin tag removed (elective surgery) in the OR at a hospital.
I had a D&C in the OR at a hospital.
I delivered a baby at a midwifery center.
I had an IUI at an IVF clinic.
I had my strep throat treated at an urgent care facility by a NP.
I had a mammogram at a special radiology center.

There are all sorts of ways to get medical care, elective or not. Different types of locations and medical providers.

So what?

[Anonymous]

And if I need an abortion I prefer not to do it on the floor of a dirty motel.

[Anonymous]

Just wait til all the unwanted children of rapists start a crime boom 15-20 years from now. Good luck Alabama and Ohio.

[Anonymous]

10 years prison or vasectomy for any man who causes an unwanted pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing wrong with leaving the legality of abortion to individual states.

Yes, there is. States are not allowed to decide about constitutionally protected rights. That's why we have a federal government and are not a confederacy.

Roe v Wade was a seriously flawed decision which needs to be modified or reversed.

Roe v Wade was flawed. The right to privacy was a made up thing at the time. But it is part of a line of a hugely important cases to the American pUblic. Right to access birth control, right to marry outside your race, right to engage in homosexual behavior, right to educate your children as you prefer (religious schooling), right to end medical “heroic measures”, right to compose your family as you see fit (it the context of laws banning multiple generations from living together”— these were all right to privacy cases.

If you get rid of the right to privacy, all these cases fall. Some, like being allowed to send kids to private or religious schools, conservative like.

The difference is that in the case of abortion, the rights of an unborn child is subjugated to the wishes of the woman carrying the child. Even Roe when it was decided was predicated on the viability of the fetus outside of the mother's womb which is why the abortions in the third semester was constrained. With medical advances that viability has become possible at an even earlier point in the pregnancy.

The survival of very preterm infants has improved substantially in the past two decades, such that the gestational age at which at least half of very preterm infants survive has decreased to 23 weeks.

Who do you suppose will pay for all that medical care of a severe premie?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got my eyes lasered at a LASIK clinic.
I got my moles checked at a fancy dermatologist spa.
I had a nasty skin tag removed (elective surgery) in the OR at a hospital.
I had a D&C in the OR at a hospital.
I delivered a baby at a midwifery center.
I had an IUI at an IVF clinic.
I had my strep throat treated at an urgent care facility by a NP.
I had a mammogram at a special radiology center.

There are all sorts of ways to get medical care, elective or not. Different types of locations and medical providers.

So what?

Besides the hospital, I wonder if any of these many facilities had to meet the same onerous, hospital-like requirements that Virginia used to have in place for abortion providers.