Why aren’t males attending college?

[Anonymous]

Girls have better high school GPA (3.23) vs. boys (3.0). But boys have slightly higher average SAT (1032) than girls (1023). More important for college admissions, boys are over represented (57%) in top 10% of SAT scorers.

Admissions officers care about GPA more than test scores. Some schools take this to the extreme. UC system is test blind, which means high SAT/ACT score means nothing. Those policies increase female enrollment.

https://aibm.org/research/boys-girls-and-grades-examining-gpa-and-sat-trends/

[Anonymous]

Public school are a disaster. In our high income blue state suburb($2.5 median home) 30% of eligible school ge kids go to private and Catholic schools. Test scores tank, college matriculation average, indoctrination everywhere. Teachers unions have driven soo many families out. In the priciest section of town all you see is fall open houses for pricey private schools one sign trying to out do the other. Need a major overhaul of public education. Families are not buying the public school here!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girls have better high school GPA (3.23) vs. boys (3.0). But boys have slightly higher average SAT (1032) than girls (1023). More important for college admissions, boys are over represented (57%) in top 10% of SAT scorers.

Admissions officers care about GPA more than test scores. Some schools take this to the extreme. UC system is test blind, which means high SAT/ACT score means nothing. Those policies increase female enrollment.

https://aibm.org/research/boys-girls-and-grades-examining-gpa-and-sat-trends/

I think both should be considered and in context. students that perform very well academically but don't test as well or don't have the resources to heavily prep are still good candidates for college. And students that can test very well but don't perform well academically could also be good candidates for college.

The student needs to understand why this is their profile and understand what college program with what supports will help them succeed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have two boys going to T20 colleges. So, great. But I will say they both had to deal with a considerable amount of anti-boy crap from their schools. It seems like the social norm these days is very anti-male, and that sinks the weaker students. And the boo-hoo, too bad social norms among teachers, parents, and repulsive social media critters doesn't help. They're kids. They can't help being boys. And schools and society generally regard them as the enemy. And so only the strong make it through. It really is difficult for 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 year old boys to get through the garbage our society is throwing at them for being boys.

What “garbage our society is throwing at them for being boys”?

Are you talking about the expectation that they sit still all day every day with no physical activity?

Or are you talking about the expectation that they not be sexist and racist?

I think she means the assumption that they are, and so need to be fixed, even if they aren't. People internalize the biases they see reflected back at them; that's human nature. And in so many cases -- racial, gender, sexual orientation -- that reflection is harmful.

Um, my son has never, ever experienced any assumption that he’s sexist and racist.

He and I have talked about frank discussions he’s had with friends that sometimes included making him aware of privilege that being a white boy brings, but he appreciated those conversations, and they were part of having a diverse friend group.

I’m a late 50s hetero cis male. I’ve never felt that there are jokes I want to make that I can’t, that women are too sensitive and should smile more, that gay people should hide their affection for each other, or that the minorities are coming for my job.

If you or your boys DO have those feelings and experiences, maybe look at yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I have two boys going to T20 colleges. So, great. But I will say they both had to deal with a considerable amount of anti-boy crap from their schools. It seems like the social norm these days is very anti-male, and that sinks the weaker students. And the boo-hoo, too bad social norms among teachers, parents, and repulsive social media critters doesn't help. They're kids. They can't help being boys. And schools and society generally regard them as the enemy. And so only the strong make it through. It really is difficult for 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 year old boys to get through the garbage our society is throwing at them for being boys.

What “garbage our society is throwing at them for being boys”?

Are you talking about the expectation that they sit still all day every day with no physical activity?

Or are you talking about the expectation that they not be sexist and racist?

I think she means the assumption that they are, and so need to be fixed, even if they aren't. People internalize the biases they see reflected back at them; that's human nature. And in so many cases -- racial, gender, sexual orientation -- that reflection is harmful.

Um, my son has never, ever experienced any assumption that he’s sexist and racist.

He and I have talked about frank discussions he’s had with friends that sometimes included making him aware of privilege that being a white boy brings, but he appreciated those conversations, and they were part of having a diverse friend group.

I’m a late 50s hetero cis male. I’ve never felt that there are jokes I want to make that I can’t, that women are too sensitive and should smile more, that gay people should hide their affection for each other, or that the minorities are coming for my job.

If you or your boys DO have those feelings and experiences, maybe look at yourselves.

You are insistent on missing the point of the conversation and making it about you (and now me). And you have zero support for your first sentence, btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Public school are a disaster. In our high income blue state suburb($2.5 median home) 30% of eligible school ge kids go to private and Catholic schools. Test scores tank, college matriculation average, indoctrination everywhere. Teachers unions have driven soo many families out. In the priciest section of town all you see is fall open houses for pricey private schools one sign trying to out do the other. Need a major overhaul of public education. Families are not buying the public school here!

A fool and his money…

Where I live, even with an urban, budget-strapped public school system, several families with means switch from private to public for high school because the college results tend to be better, especially for boys.

[Anonymous]

^Sone of those private schools signs must cost over $25 per sign. No status in public high schools. The Range Rover class leaving in big ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I’m a late 50s hetero cis male.

I don’t know a male that talks like this and I live in a very blue community. If you use similar terminology around your son I’m fairly certain what you recognize as listening and appreciation is actually him going through the motions to remove himself from the conversation as quickly as possible.

[Anonymous]

Today’s young men only want one thing
a nurse with purse.

They want whatever men to take care of them and pay for everything

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girls have better high school GPA (3.23) vs. boys (3.0). But boys have slightly higher average SAT (1032) than girls (1023). More important for college admissions, boys are over represented (57%) in top 10% of SAT scorers.

Admissions officers care about GPA more than test scores. Some schools take this to the extreme. UC system is test blind, which means high SAT/ACT score means nothing. Those policies increase female enrollment.

https://aibm.org/research/boys-girls-and-grades-examining-gpa-and-sat-trends/

Yes, and then you have schools like Texas, which guarantees admission to in-state students in the top 6% of their HS class (used to be top 10%) which is of course determined by GPA. It’s no wonder a huge university like that is 58% female. And merit awards are often tied to GPA as well (sometimes to GPA AND score, but never just to score, especially with most colleges being test-optional).

So the boys are less likely to meet the standards to be admitted, and less likely to get monetary aid even if they are admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are busy voting for maga perhaps?

Hate. Hate towards boys on full display here, folks.

That hate is generated 100% by the left / democrats. The gender-imbalanced college enrollment statistics speak for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Public school are a disaster. In our high income blue state suburb($2.5 median home) 30% of eligible school ge kids go to private and Catholic schools. Test scores tank, college matriculation average, indoctrination everywhere. Teachers unions have driven soo many families out. In the priciest section of town all you see is fall open houses for pricey private schools one sign trying to out do the other. Need a major overhaul of public education. Families are not buying the public school here!

+1000

[Anonymous]

I think some guys dont want to compete against guys and gals and dont like losing to gals. I think its too much competition for them.

[Anonymous]

As someone who raised several sons, many of the families dont care about their son's academic pursuits and care about their athletics and social pursuits instead. I dont think a lot of white parents have had to worry about their white male kids getting jobs in the past and dont have a social culture focusing on this. They think it will be a better boost to the ego to excel in sports and friends and hands on skills. When they get older the boys don't listen to parents and do what they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.

I think you're at least 3 years late here. Started in 6th for our child - and before that in elementary enough enrichment to hit the ground running with the Algebra I math track in 6th. Girl, of course.