Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why liberals think that all women should want to be able or kill their own children. I think it’s because abortion is so abhorrent that they have to trick themselves into denial about what it really is.

I don't understand why conservatives think all 12 year olds should be made to deliver their rapists babies. I think it's because they can't stand the thought of females having control over their own bodies that they have to trick themselves into denial that a 12 year old is just as much a baby as a week old embryo.

Would you be ok banning abortions without defects, rape, risk to mother? Ban them from day 1 of pregnancy.

Define day 1 of pregnancy.

When the egg implants to the wall. So technically that’s day 3 or whatever. I guess I’m a progressive.

Well that's pretty retrograde in fact. Yikes. You sound controlling.

Do you realize well more than half of fertilized eggs never make it to a live baby? Because nature doesn't impart any sacredness to these early conceptions.

Well there would be no need for abortion in those cases, so what’s your point?

Why are YOU imparting sacredness to a 4 day old fertilized egg, valuing it over the life of the person who does not want it attached to her uterine wall?

It’s a life. Simple as that. Do women bear not responsibility to take simple steps to avoid getting pregnant if they don’t want to be pregnant?

Do you believe in heaven?

Yup

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Anonymous wrote:Once again forced birthers end up looking like a bag of clowns, all accusations and their own weird Life News takes on what they think pro choice people want, and the flimsiest understanding of any of the issues. Like weird little bits of slag formed in the weak fires of right wing propaganda, they’re off their rockers.

I’m pro-choice but I think in this thread, the extremist death up until birth people look by far the worst.

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I've always viewed being pro-choice as the compromise position between for or against abortion. Rather than force my POV on all the country's women, I prefer to let other women follow their personal and religious beliefs. I am personally against abortion for myself except in the most extreme cases, but that's my choice. It bothers me 0% what others do as long as I am able to make my choice. I don't want the state involved in my choice. I want to live according to my own religious views and keep the government out of these personal decisions. So for me, that manifests as being pro-choice.

I am voting Harris for that, but so many other reasons too. Trump has been proven incompetent and corrupt so I'm voting against him.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

To the point of viability definitely, and more nuanced after that point.

More non-answers. This has to be legislated. What law do you write? What week is termination with no questions? Until birth, what specifically do you mean by nuance? What procedure is allowed for the abortion and what isn’t? Are fetuses given painkillers first and at what week, if so?

You are talking in vague terms because you don’t want to be honest about the reality of what you want to support. But your vague statement has to be turned into a law in order for this to work. So what law do you write?

What I support is already law. Medical people can sort out the protocols. Genetically abnormal pregnancies are already terminated at the rate of between 60 to 90% so it seems people have found a way without you badgering them.

I am actually pro-choice but with limits and with being brutally honest about what that actually means.

You are the one who won’t say what exactly you are supporting because you know how horrific it is. You won’t take a stand, because you know what you support is morally and ethically appalling.

You won’t take a stand, you hide behind vagueness, because you can’t face the reality of what you support.

That is fine. You can take a morally cowardly position if you want. But this refusal to be honest about what Democrats actually support is why OP is in the position of wondering why women aren’t single-issue voters. The reason is that many women know what the Democrats are advocating for — since the official stance is to obfuscate — and they don’t want to be on that side.

You’re weird. Who asked whether you’re pro choice? No one cares. Believe what you like. I don’t especially care how abortions are performed. That’s not for me to wonder about any more than the protocols for liver transplant.

You equate a human baby with a liver? Do you equate yourself with a liver? Why or why not? What about a 12 year old in a coma from a car wreck? They are a liver, too? What about Jimmy Carter? He’s basically unresponsive and bedridden. Is Jimmy a liver?

You can't have a rational discussion with someone who thinks like the PP and compares a growing baby to a liver. Just ignore that person.

Can you have a rational discussion with someone who says things like “abortion after birth”?

DP. If you are fine with executing a baby while the mother is in labor or the day before birth, which is your position, you are the one incapable of having a rational discussion.

And that extremism is going to get abortion rights destroyed nationwide, because most voters would rather no abortion rights at all than support abortion up until the minute of birth. I’m pro-choice with limits and I’d give up abortion rights in a minute if that was the choice I had to make.

First you invented a false dilemma and now you’re arguing with your own invention. It’s a beauty to behold.

It’s certainly something. WTAF?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why liberals think that all women should want to be able or kill their own children. I think it’s because abortion is so abhorrent that they have to trick themselves into denial about what it really is.

I don't understand why conservatives think all 12 year olds should be made to deliver their rapists babies. I think it's because they can't stand the thought of females having control over their own bodies that they have to trick themselves into denial that a 12 year old is just as much a baby as a week old embryo.

Would you be ok banning abortions without defects, rape, risk to mother? Ban them from day 1 of pregnancy.

Define day 1 of pregnancy.

When the egg implants to the wall. So technically that’s day 3 or whatever. I guess I’m a progressive.

Well that's pretty retrograde in fact. Yikes. You sound controlling.

Do you realize well more than half of fertilized eggs never make it to a live baby? Because nature doesn't impart any sacredness to these early conceptions.

Well there would be no need for abortion in those cases, so what’s your point?

Why are YOU imparting sacredness to a 4 day old fertilized egg, valuing it over the life of the person who does not want it attached to her uterine wall?

It’s a life. Simple as that. Do women bear not responsibility to take simple steps to avoid getting pregnant if they don’t want to be pregnant?

You think every abortion is because women “didn’t take simple steps to avoid getting pregnant”?

WTAF?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why liberals think that all women should want to be able or kill their own children. I think it’s because abortion is so abhorrent that they have to trick themselves into denial about what it really is.

We don’t. We just don’t want other people to decide for us. No one will drag you to the clinic if you want to carry.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why liberals think that all women should want to be able or kill their own children. I think it’s because abortion is so abhorrent that they have to trick themselves into denial about what it really is.

I don't understand why conservatives think all 12 year olds should be made to deliver their rapists babies. I think it's because they can't stand the thought of females having control over their own bodies that they have to trick themselves into denial that a 12 year old is just as much a baby as a week old embryo.

Would you be ok banning abortions without defects, rape, risk to mother? Ban them from day 1 of pregnancy.

Define day 1 of pregnancy.

When the egg implants to the wall. So technically that’s day 3 or whatever. I guess I’m a progressive.

Well that's pretty retrograde in fact. Yikes. You sound controlling.

Do you realize well more than half of fertilized eggs never make it to a live baby? Because nature doesn't impart any sacredness to these early conceptions.

Well there would be no need for abortion in those cases, so what’s your point?

Why are YOU imparting sacredness to a 4 day old fertilized egg, valuing it over the life of the person who does not want it attached to her uterine wall?

It’s a life. Simple as that. Do women bear not responsibility to take simple steps to avoid getting pregnant if they don’t want to be pregnant?

You think every abortion is because women “didn’t take simple steps to avoid getting pregnant”?

WTAF?

Many are, and probably the vast majority. Your edge case examples don’t justify abortion on demand.

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Anonymous wrote:I've always viewed being pro-choice as the compromise position between for or against abortion. Rather than force my POV on all the country's women, I prefer to let other women follow their personal and religious beliefs. I am personally against abortion for myself except in the most extreme cases, but that's my choice. It bothers me 0% what others do as long as I am able to make my choice. I don't want the state involved in my choice. I want to live according to my own religious views and keep the government out of these personal decisions. So for me, that manifests as being pro-choice.

I am voting Harris for that, but so many other reasons too. Trump has been proven incompetent and corrupt so I'm voting against him.

You have an obligation to defend others that can’t defend themselves. Your logic could apply equally to murder laws. Some guy wants to kill his wife? That’s his choice!

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I don't get it. Dems and some R's are advocating for choice, not abortion. Trumpers are advocating for no abortion at any cost, even if the fetus isn't viable for birth or mother's life could be compromised.

Advocating for choice isn't extreme. Forcing only one specific choice in all instances is.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. Dems and some R's are advocating for choice, not abortion. Trumpers are advocating for no abortion at any cost, even if the fetus isn't viable for birth or mother's life could be compromised.

Advocating for choice isn't extreme. Forcing only one specific choice in all instances is.

Advocating to “choose” to murder someone who inconvenienced you is, in fact, extreme. People who do this are as bad as school shooters, or worse given that they are doing it to their own children.

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Anonymous wrote:What I really find insane is that the same people that lecture others about systemic racism, “trans rights,” LGBT, climate change, and are sanctimonious and holier-than-though, many of those same people support the right to murder in cold blood babies at the 7th, 8th, 9th month of pregnancy. It’s a blood cult.

Very tiresome argument. From someone who probably would vote against free school lunches and free health and dental care for all children under 18. Yes, we know you would. Hypocrite.

Non responsive. My point is that many many people who lecture others about stupid social issue nonsense, those same people support the right to kill infants, defenseless babies, the most defenseless people in our society, at the viable stage of pregnancy. It’s really indefensible. I’m not saying this so you, as you at least support limits after visibility.

The vast majority of Americans including Democrats want to return to the standards of Roe which means abortion up to the point of viability and after that for threats to the mother's health, fetal abnormality, and rape (esp. in the case of children whose pregnancy might not be discovered until week 22 - still second trimester, by the way).

Ok let’s do it. But when republicans try restrictions like that they still get nuked by democrats and pro-choice extremists. And most women have bought the extreme position it seems.

Don't make us laugh. This WAS the standard across the country before anti-abortionists started reducing access to abortion and making all patients get vaginally wanded before an abortion, even minor children, forcing them to look at ultrasounds, forcing them to have a waiting period that many poor women couldn't afford. Republicans have been plotting the demise of abortion access for years and years. They are NOT interested in sticking with the Roe standard and you know it. We all know it. That is so incredibly disingenuous of you to state. Makes you sound like a troll.

Was it the standard in NY, CA, Mass?

Medical professionals could decide together with the patient.

You know damned well that abortion on demand for convenience was available in many blue states up into the last trimester.

Isn't lying like this amoral as well? You're a religious fanatical hypocrite, yeah?

They're are like 3 doctors in the US who even do this, it costs up to 25k, and they're are long lists for people in really tragic circumstances to get this kind of care. The books might allow for this in certain states but the reality is, 3rd trimester abortions for "convenience" are not a thing.

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Anonymous wrote:What I really find insane is that the same people that lecture others about systemic racism, “trans rights,” LGBT, climate change, and are sanctimonious and holier-than-though, many of those same people support the right to murder in cold blood babies at the 7th, 8th, 9th month of pregnancy. It’s a blood cult.

Abortion has become a sacrament for some of these sick people. At the DNC they even had an abortion on demand truck. It is demonic how much they keep pushing abortion especially without limits. And you are right these are the same people who support young children taking irreversible puberty blockers and hormones, having sexually explicit books in schools, drag queens performing in front of kids etc. They argue as if they are morally superior when in reality they are promoting evil.

Ah there we have it. It the moral police.

Yes. And we are going to impose our morality on you, I guarantee you that. Just like we ban homicide, theft, etc.

lol honey ain’t no one imposing nothin’ on people with means. There are always clinics somewhere beyond the reach of your short fingers.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. Dems and some R's are advocating for choice, not abortion. Trumpers are advocating for no abortion at any cost, even if the fetus isn't viable for birth or mother's life could be compromised.

Advocating for choice isn't extreme. Forcing only one specific choice in all instances is.

Advocating to “choose” to murder someone who inconvenienced you is, in fact, extreme. People who do this are as bad as school shooters, or worse given that they are doing it to their own children.

Roe v. Wade talked about a right to privacy alongside viability of fetus and which trimester of pregnancy you were in. It's usually a religious view that life starts at conception. Other people consider life to start after a fetus takes on a certain degree of viability. Since reasonable people can disagree on when life starts, the courts under Roe decided to leave it up to individual people and their doctors and/or pastors/rabbis/imams to make this difficult determination. Under pro-choice laws, the government would never tell a pro-life person they must have an abortion, even if there's been incest or if the mother will die. That is your choice. Abortion is never pushed but doctors can discuss the implications of carrying a dangerous pregnancy to term for the mother. Under Trump's abortion bans, doctors can't even share the implications with the mother so she can make her choice. That choice is taken away. And under Trump's abortion bans, one view is imposed on everyone even though the majority of Americans have said they are pro-choice. Pro-choice allows flexibility; it doesn't force abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why liberals think that all women should want to be able or kill their own children. I think it’s because abortion is so abhorrent that they have to trick themselves into denial about what it really is.

I don't understand why conservatives think all 12 year olds should be made to deliver their rapists babies. I think it's because they can't stand the thought of females having control over their own bodies that they have to trick themselves into denial that a 12 year old is just as much a baby as a week old embryo.

Would you be ok banning abortions without defects, rape, risk to mother? Ban them from day 1 of pregnancy.

Define day 1 of pregnancy.

When the egg implants to the wall. So technically that’s day 3 or whatever. I guess I’m a progressive.

Well that's pretty retrograde in fact. Yikes. You sound controlling.

Do you realize well more than half of fertilized eggs never make it to a live baby? Because nature doesn't impart any sacredness to these early conceptions.

Well there would be no need for abortion in those cases, so what’s your point?

Why are YOU imparting sacredness to a 4 day old fertilized egg, valuing it over the life of the person who does not want it attached to her uterine wall?

It’s a life. Simple as that. Do women bear not responsibility to take simple steps to avoid getting pregnant if they don’t want to be pregnant?

Do you believe in heaven?

Yup

Nope. You are wrong about that.