DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

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Anonymous wrote:This DDOT proposal pretty much guarantees that children will be killed.

It would create total gridlock on Georgia Avenue which would (with the help of Waze) redirect tens of thousands of cars every day onto side streets in the abutting neighborhoods, which just happen to have the highest concentrations of small children in the entire city.

Then people will put up speed bumps and stop signs on the local roads to discourage cut throughs. It will be a net loss for drivers if they can think further ahead than their current trip.

Give me a break. It would take the city 10 years to put in all the speed bumps that would be necessary. Children are going to die because of this proposal, and it's quite revealing how unconcerned you are about this.

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Anonymous wrote:This DDOT proposal pretty much guarantees that children will be killed.

It would create total gridlock on Georgia Avenue which would (with the help of Waze) redirect tens of thousands of cars every day onto side streets in the abutting neighborhoods, which just happen to have the highest concentrations of small children in the entire city.

This is the issue that will ultimately kill this entire proposal.

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Anonymous wrote:This DDOT proposal pretty much guarantees that children will be killed.

It would create total gridlock on Georgia Avenue which would (with the help of Waze) redirect tens of thousands of cars every day onto side streets in the abutting neighborhoods, which just happen to have the highest concentrations of small children in the entire city.

Then people will put up speed bumps and stop signs on the local roads to discourage cut throughs. It will be a net loss for drivers if they can think further ahead than their current trip.

Give me a break. It would take the city 10 years to put in all the speed bumps that would be necessary. Children are going to die because of this proposal, and it's quite revealing how unconcerned you are about this.

seriously just stop it. we all know you are 100% dishonest.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

People have tried. Let's look at the data from Connecticut and 16th after those changes were made. We can actually get answers to the amount and location of diverterted traffic, the number of accidents, the economic impact on local retail and whether there's been an increase in bus ridership.

We don't need to guess about what might happen.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

It's pretty straightforward.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people drive on Georgia Avenue every day
2. Making half the lanes on Georgia Avenue bus only will create total gridlock
3. Drivers don't like gridlock. Those hundreds of thousands of drivers will pour into every side street in Ward 4
4. Ward 4 is home to the most number of small children in the city
5. Using Waze, drivers will speed through all those nooks and crannies of Ward 4 because they are trying to make up the time lost by not being able to take Georgia
6. The city does not have the capacity to build enough speed bumps quickly enough to prevent lots of children from dying


This isn't hard to understand, unless you're just really dumb, which, at this point, we can't rule out.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

It's pretty straightforward.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people drive on Georgia Avenue every day
2. Making half the lanes on Georgia Avenue bus only will create total gridlock
3. Drivers don't like gridlock. Those hundreds of thousands of drivers will pour into every side street in Ward 4
4. Ward 4 is home to the most number of small children in the city
5. Using Waze, drivers will speed through all those nooks and crannies of Ward 4 because they are trying to make up the time lost by not being able to take Georgia
6. The city does not have the capacity to build enough speed bumps quickly enough to prevent lots of children from dying


This isn't hard to understand, unless you're just really dumb, which, at this point, we can't rule out.

Sounds like drivers are a huge danger to public safety. DDOT should do something about that.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

It's pretty straightforward.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people drive on Georgia Avenue every day
2. Making half the lanes on Georgia Avenue bus only will create total gridlock
3. Drivers don't like gridlock. Those hundreds of thousands of drivers will pour into every side street in Ward 4
4. Ward 4 is home to the most number of small children in the city
5. Using Waze, drivers will speed through all those nooks and crannies of Ward 4 because they are trying to make up the time lost by not being able to take Georgia
6. The city does not have the capacity to build enough speed bumps quickly enough to prevent lots of children from dying


This isn't hard to understand, unless you're just really dumb, which, at this point, we can't rule out.

Will the dying kids be kept in the basement of Comet Ping Pong?

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

It's pretty straightforward.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people drive on Georgia Avenue every day
2. Making half the lanes on Georgia Avenue bus only will create total gridlock
3. Drivers don't like gridlock. Those hundreds of thousands of drivers will pour into every side street in Ward 4
4. Ward 4 is home to the most number of small children in the city
5. Using Waze, drivers will speed through all those nooks and crannies of Ward 4 because they are trying to make up the time lost by not being able to take Georgia
6. The city does not have the capacity to build enough speed bumps quickly enough to prevent lots of children from dying


This isn't hard to understand, unless you're just really dumb, which, at this point, we can't rule out.

Sounds like drivers are a huge danger to public safety. DDOT should do something about that.

This is why it's better to have as many cars as possible on Georgia Avenue. Keep them in one place where everyone knows that's where they'll be. Added bonus: Hardly anyone lives on Georgia Avenue! It's mostly just businesses.

Like so many things the DC government does, this DDOT proposal creates more problems than it solves.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

It's pretty straightforward.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people drive on Georgia Avenue every day
2. Making half the lanes on Georgia Avenue bus only will create total gridlock
3. Drivers don't like gridlock. Those hundreds of thousands of drivers will pour into every side street in Ward 4
4. Ward 4 is home to the most number of small children in the city
5. Using Waze, drivers will speed through all those nooks and crannies of Ward 4 because they are trying to make up the time lost by not being able to take Georgia
6. The city does not have the capacity to build enough speed bumps quickly enough to prevent lots of children from dying


This isn't hard to understand, unless you're just really dumb, which, at this point, we can't rule out.

Will the dying kids be kept in the basement of Comet Ping Pong?

You can just say you're a car hating nutjob who doesnt care if this absurd plan gets children killed. That's already evident by your incessant posts.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

It's pretty straightforward.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people drive on Georgia Avenue every day
2. Making half the lanes on Georgia Avenue bus only will create total gridlock
3. Drivers don't like gridlock. Those hundreds of thousands of drivers will pour into every side street in Ward 4
4. Ward 4 is home to the most number of small children in the city
5. Using Waze, drivers will speed through all those nooks and crannies of Ward 4 because they are trying to make up the time lost by not being able to take Georgia
6. The city does not have the capacity to build enough speed bumps quickly enough to prevent lots of children from dying


This isn't hard to understand, unless you're just really dumb, which, at this point, we can't rule out.

More like 20-30 thousand.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

It's pretty straightforward.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people drive on Georgia Avenue every day
2. Making half the lanes on Georgia Avenue bus only will create total gridlock
3. Drivers don't like gridlock. Those hundreds of thousands of drivers will pour into every side street in Ward 4
4. Ward 4 is home to the most number of small children in the city
5. Using Waze, drivers will speed through all those nooks and crannies of Ward 4 because they are trying to make up the time lost by not being able to take Georgia
6. The city does not have the capacity to build enough speed bumps quickly enough to prevent lots of children from dying


This isn't hard to understand, unless you're just really dumb, which, at this point, we can't rule out.

This is the worst pro-car propaganda I've seen in a minute. Drivers are such monsters that they will kill kids rather than take a few minutes longer to get to work? It comes across like a hostage taking scenario.

You would be better served arguing that DC won't enforce the bus lane, and won't even bother with signal priority so drivers will just use the bus lane anyway and clog things up.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

There's basically no children on Georgia Avenue (Georgia Avenue is mostly liquor stores and other businesses), but go a few blocks east or west and there's a million of them. A lot of young children.

It's hard to imagine how this plan would *not* result in many children being killed. I would think someone will sue to stop this truly insane idea.

The status quo has already resulted in at least one actual - not hypothetical - child being actually - not hypothetically - killed.

On a different street. After 16th Street was redesigned.

The child was killed at the intersection of Kennedy and Georgia. The family was crossing Kennedy at Georgia - just like you would do if you were walking along Georgia and needed to get to the other side of Kennedy. And yet you keep insisting that the intersection of Kennedy and Georgia has nothing to do with Georgia.

they crossed from one side of Kennedy to the other side of Kennedy. Breaking the law in the process, it's probably worth noting.

https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/publication/attachments/bike_ped_traffic_reg_summary_0_0.pdf

"If a pedestrian crosses a roadway AT ANY POINT OTHER THAN A MARKED CROSSWALK, or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection, THE PEDESTRIAN SHALL YEILD THE RIGHT OF WAY TO ANY VEHICLE."

At Georgia.

Is it open season on four-year-old children who break traffic laws, now? Are you the one expressing concern about the safety of children on "side streets"?

Not PP but what are you talking about re: “open season on 4 year olds”. The point is that crossing a road can be dangerous. That is true especially when Jay walking. It is parents’ responsibility to look out for 4 year olds and not let them run into the street.

You know, it's interesting, because I would say it's drivers' responsibility to look out for 4 year olds and not hit them, and I would also say it's DDOT's responsibility to make crossing a road safe.

A person might infer from your post that you actually are not concerned about the safety of children, after all.

The primary person charged with ensuring the safety of the deceased boy did not do that, for whatever reason. No one is blaming a four year old He however was accompanied by an adult who had an absolute duty to keep him from harm.

Can you be sure that the child would still be alive if he had crossed the street on a crosswalk? I can’t. People are killed in DC every year while crossing with a cross signal on a crosswalk. The most recent person to suffer this fate, I believe, was Patricia Bullinger. She died after being struck by a vehicle while crossing Foxhall Road.

Can be sure the child would be alive if they were in an air balloon instead? In the world of hypotheticals anything can be true.

You want us to follow your philosphy and preferences and editcs, and think like you, but we don't have to. No matter if you have a response to every post that is against your opinion. Volume of words doesn't have the power of mind control.

You are maintaining that the child died because his feet were not touching white paint as if that is what is getting pedestrians killed on DC streets. I am telling you, with reference to specific cases, that this not what is getting pedestrians killed on DC streets. Please don’t try to tell us again how concerned you are about the safety of all the children who live along the side streets or anyone’s safety for that matter.

He jaywalked and his guardian was not holding his hand / he moved in a separate direction from the adult.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

People have preferences and it’s usually much more productive if people are straightforward about their preferences rather than trying to cloak them with ridiculous arguments about how bus lanes will cause kids to die.

+100. I wish we could have rational arguments about this.

It's pretty straightforward.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people drive on Georgia Avenue every day
2. Making half the lanes on Georgia Avenue bus only will create total gridlock
3. Drivers don't like gridlock. Those hundreds of thousands of drivers will pour into every side street in Ward 4
4. Ward 4 is home to the most number of small children in the city
5. Using Waze, drivers will speed through all those nooks and crannies of Ward 4 because they are trying to make up the time lost by not being able to take Georgia
6. The city does not have the capacity to build enough speed bumps quickly enough to prevent lots of children from dying


This isn't hard to understand, unless you're just really dumb, which, at this point, we can't rule out.

More like 20-30 thousand.

That's the constant count for the entire stretch. If it's individualized to take into account turn on and turn offs then it is much higher.

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Anonymous wrote:These discussions are always completely ruined by the monomaniacal NIMBYs. Can we have an actual discussion about it?

One caveat: they're not NIMBYs. They don't want bus lanes or bike lanes or anything that might inconvenience driving, anywhere. They are opposed to such things everywhere.

To be fair, my sense isn't that these people are opposed to bike lanes, per se. What they're opposed to is installing them on Georgia Ave. specifically and the resulting loss of driving lanes.

Perhaps more broadly, since we're seeing similar resistance to bike lanes taking over driving lanes on CT and SD Ave, is there's an argument to be made that bike lanes don't belong on main arterial streets. One can make that argument while not being opposed to bike lanes overall.

They are opposed to installing bike lanes on arterial streets that they drive along. And they are opposed to installing bike lanes on side streets they drive or park along. And they find common cause with others who oppose bike lanes on arterial and side streets that others bike and park along. But they are probably OK with bike lanes in Oslo, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam, should they wish to vacation there. So I guess that makes them not opposed to bike lanes “overall”? OK.

is this supposed to be a gotcha? People have preferences that are not yours. That is fine. Are we supposed to be concerned that you do not always get your way? You do not care if we get our way, so why should we care about your wants?

DP. Because personal preferences of a small group shouldn’t actually dictate how we design a city. Especially if those preferences are rooted in a reflexive rejection of ANY change.

The irony is inescapable.