Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The minute, I heard that the cop stayed in his house while the person dying on his front lawn and refused to go outside to help. I knew they were guilty.

I have a household of law-enforcement officers and believe me, dude is guilty AF

It's a conflict of interest just like you would say he tampered with evidence if he did go out there. Use your brain. Think really hard.

In MA cops have a duty to render aid on and off duty.

They don't have a duty to muscle in where cops are already present along with EMS and firefighters you fool.

[Anonymous]

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It's almost like the people commenting on this have never lived in a place where blizzards happen and have no familiarity with the conditions. For the record, this storm was in the top ten of recorded winter storms in the modern era for eastern Massachusetts, it was a very real storm and it also accounts for the issues that arose with Canton PD trying to collect evidence in those conditions prior to arrival of the MSP search team.

I'm so amazed and disgusted that all of them just had to be out drinking that night. I'd be home with soup.

Good for you; it doesn't mean anything that they were out socializing over a few drinks on a Friday night which became a free night for the adults because all kids sports were cancelled for the weekend due to the blizzard. Those of you who have kids should grasp what a nice break that is for the adults who spend years hauling kids to sports events and accompanying them all hours of morning noon and night.

John O'Keefe went out to have a drink with a close friend, and later joined other friends, because he was celebrating his niece's acceptance to a competitive Catholic HS in the area. It was a big deal and he was a proud adoptive papa - and then his nasty POS girlfriend, who he had been trying too nicely to break up with for weeks, ran him down like he was garbage in the road.

John wasn't drunk driving - he had told Karen he was relying on her for a ride. When you are 40-something years old going out with friends and one of them is relying on you for a ride, it's YOUR responsibility to stay sober enough to safely operate a motor vehicle and not to lose your mind in a jealous drunken rage. KAREN READ is the only criminal in this case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about the two minutes that he was walking around and using his phone after she had driven away? He turned on and the turned off his phone using the lock button two minutes after she had left.

Yes, this part is what I come back to: she had to have left already to get to his house at 12.36. She could not have been there and we know he was alive and well at that time. Meanwhile there was a house full of other people and a driveway/road in front of the house with people still there. So why were they not investigated more if the idea is that he was struck with a car considering they had cars there and Karen Read did not and they were just as impaired as she was?

Yes, two minutes is actually a long time to be walking around and using a phone. What happened during that two minutes? Was there someone else there?

It would have been helpful if the investigators had collected all the camera footage they could from neighbors. I’ve seen other trials where detectives were able to trace a suspect over several streets and follow where he went after committing a crime. Camera footage might have been a big help in this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Brian Albert didn't go outside for the same reason none of the other neighbors did - it was dark, 6am in January in the midst of a blizzard with howling wind and sideways snow and very limited visibility. In those conditions with the shades drawn and being sound asleep after a day/night of drinking, Brian Albert didn't wake up. He and his wife didn't wake up until Jen McCabe, Brian's wife's sister, came up the stairs into their room to wake them.

The police, EMTs and fire department rolled silent to the call as is the usual practice very late at night and early morning to residential addresses. Karen's screaming was sucked away by the howling blizzard wind which also dampens all other sounds.

It's almost like the people commenting on this have never lived in a place where blizzards happen and have no familiarity with the conditions. For the record, this storm was in the top ten of recorded winter storms in the modern era for eastern Massachusetts, it was a very real storm and it also accounts for the issues that arose with Canton PD trying to collect evidence in those conditions prior to arrival of the MSP search team.

And yes, even if the weather conditions had been ideal it would have been stupid for Albert to insinuate himself into a crime scene in Canton where he has no jurisdiction when there was Canton PD and EMS and fire department all on scene - he doesn't give better CPR than a paramedic firefighter. It's a total red herring to point to him for not coming out of the house.

The data evidence is science and it will win the case. But the conspiracy theories are so ludicrous I cannot believe anyone of average or above average intelligence is swallowing it. Those of you who do must be deep-seated cop haters.

Nicole Albert and Jenn spoke 2x while driving over to Fairview. Also the dash cam in front of 34F caught Jenn speaking with her. She’s not screaming, “OMG, there’s a dead body on your lawn!” She’s whispering. Almost like Nicole knew already. Hmmmm. Nicole was awake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

It's almost like the people commenting on this have never lived in a place where blizzards happen and have no familiarity with the conditions. For the record, this storm was in the top ten of recorded winter storms in the modern era for eastern Massachusetts, it was a very real storm and it also accounts for the issues that arose with Canton PD trying to collect evidence in those conditions prior to arrival of the MSP search team.

I'm so amazed and disgusted that all of them just had to be out drinking that night. I'd be home with soup.

Good for you; it doesn't mean anything that they were out socializing over a few drinks on a Friday night which became a free night for the adults because all kids sports were cancelled for the weekend due to the blizzard. Those of you who have kids should grasp what a nice break that is for the adults who spend years hauling kids to sports events and accompanying them all hours of morning noon and night.

John O'Keefe went out to have a drink with a close friend, and later joined other friends, because he was celebrating his niece's acceptance to a competitive Catholic HS in the area. It was a big deal and he was a proud adoptive papa - and then his nasty POS girlfriend, who he had been trying too nicely to break up with for weeks, ran him down like he was garbage in the road.

John wasn't drunk driving - he had told Karen he was relying on her for a ride. When you are 40-something years old going out with friends and one of them is relying on you for a ride, it's YOUR responsibility to stay sober enough to safely operate a motor vehicle and not to lose your mind in a jealous drunken rage. KAREN READ is the only criminal in this case.

All the 34 Fairview friends who drove drunk are actually criminals. John was also not an idiot and saw Karen pounding drinks. Responsible adults with kids Uber home. Fine if you think KR is guilty but why are you defending these people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The minute, I heard that the cop stayed in his house while the person dying on his front lawn and refused to go outside to help. I knew they were guilty.

I have a household of law-enforcement officers and believe me, dude is guilty AF

It's a conflict of interest just like you would say he tampered with evidence if he did go out there. Use your brain. Think really hard.

In MA cops have a duty to render aid on and off duty.

They don't have a duty to muscle in where cops are already present along with EMS and firefighters you fool.

They have a duty before EMS showed up they knew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Brian Albert didn't go outside for the same reason none of the other neighbors did - it was dark, 6am in January in the midst of a blizzard with howling wind and sideways snow and very limited visibility. In those conditions with the shades drawn and being sound asleep after a day/night of drinking, Brian Albert didn't wake up. He and his wife didn't wake up until Jen McCabe, Brian's wife's sister, came up the stairs into their room to wake them.

The police, EMTs and fire department rolled silent to the call as is the usual practice very late at night and early morning to residential addresses. Karen's screaming was sucked away by the howling blizzard wind which also dampens all other sounds.

It's almost like the people commenting on this have never lived in a place where blizzards happen and have no familiarity with the conditions. For the record, this storm was in the top ten of recorded winter storms in the modern era for eastern Massachusetts, it was a very real storm and it also accounts for the issues that arose with Canton PD trying to collect evidence in those conditions prior to arrival of the MSP search team.

And yes, even if the weather conditions had been ideal it would have been stupid for Albert to insinuate himself into a crime scene in Canton where he has no jurisdiction when there was Canton PD and EMS and fire department all on scene - he doesn't give better CPR than a paramedic firefighter. It's a total red herring to point to him for not coming out of the house.

The data evidence is science and it will win the case. But the conspiracy theories are so ludicrous I cannot believe anyone of average or above average intelligence is swallowing it. Those of you who do must be deep-seated cop haters.

The cops and the public defenders in my family think she’s innocent and that the son did it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Brian Albert didn't go outside for the same reason none of the other neighbors did - it was dark, 6am in January in the midst of a blizzard with howling wind and sideways snow and very limited visibility. In those conditions with the shades drawn and being sound asleep after a day/night of drinking, Brian Albert didn't wake up. He and his wife didn't wake up until Jen McCabe, Brian's wife's sister, came up the stairs into their room to wake them.

The police, EMTs and fire department rolled silent to the call as is the usual practice very late at night and early morning to residential addresses. Karen's screaming was sucked away by the howling blizzard wind which also dampens all other sounds.

It's almost like the people commenting on this have never lived in a place where blizzards happen and have no familiarity with the conditions. For the record, this storm was in the top ten of recorded winter storms in the modern era for eastern Massachusetts, it was a very real storm and it also accounts for the issues that arose with Canton PD trying to collect evidence in those conditions prior to arrival of the MSP search team.

And yes, even if the weather conditions had been ideal it would have been stupid for Albert to insinuate himself into a crime scene in Canton where he has no jurisdiction when there was Canton PD and EMS and fire department all on scene - he doesn't give better CPR than a paramedic firefighter. It's a total red herring to point to him for not coming out of the house.

The data evidence is science and it will win the case. But the conspiracy theories are so ludicrous I cannot believe anyone of average or above average intelligence is swallowing it. Those of you who do must be deep-seated cop haters.

Do you actually respect cops who drive drunks over and over again? They are an insult to good cops. You may hate Karen Read all you want but there were no good guys in that house.

And I didn't make a single statement praising any of the people drinking and driving that evening - your post is a straw man.

Karen Read was one of those drunk drivers, and the only one who ran a good man down and left him to die in the snow when there is a ton of consciousness of guilt to establish that for hours she knew she'd done something and out of fear of an OUI and damaged reputation, she did NOTHING to save his life. She could have called somebody to check on him. She could have called 911. SHE DID NOTHING - until she decided to save her ass by attacking the justice system in Massachusetts and harassing dozens of innocent people who never did her any harm whatsoever. She's a puke. She's a piece of excrement. She's a lot like our current president - nothing is ever her fault and she will destroy anybody, including children, to get her way. That upsets me a lot more than some cops who drank after attending a funeral of another cop. A cop who drinks is not by definition a bad cop, anyway. It seems you'll say anything to defend the murder diva you adore.

DP, but it sounds like you do write off their drunk driving as NBD, especially if you're the same poster who wrote they were just socializing because kid's sports were cancelled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Brian Albert didn't go outside for the same reason none of the other neighbors did - it was dark, 6am in January in the midst of a blizzard with howling wind and sideways snow and very limited visibility. In those conditions with the shades drawn and being sound asleep after a day/night of drinking, Brian Albert didn't wake up. He and his wife didn't wake up until Jen McCabe, Brian's wife's sister, came up the stairs into their room to wake them.

The police, EMTs and fire department rolled silent to the call as is the usual practice very late at night and early morning to residential addresses. Karen's screaming was sucked away by the howling blizzard wind which also dampens all other sounds.

It's almost like the people commenting on this have never lived in a place where blizzards happen and have no familiarity with the conditions. For the record, this storm was in the top ten of recorded winter storms in the modern era for eastern Massachusetts, it was a very real storm and it also accounts for the issues that arose with Canton PD trying to collect evidence in those conditions prior to arrival of the MSP search team.

And yes, even if the weather conditions had been ideal it would have been stupid for Albert to insinuate himself into a crime scene in Canton where he has no jurisdiction when there was Canton PD and EMS and fire department all on scene - he doesn't give better CPR than a paramedic firefighter. It's a total red herring to point to him for not coming out of the house.

The data evidence is science and it will win the case. But the conspiracy theories are so ludicrous I cannot believe anyone of average or above average intelligence is swallowing it. Those of you who do must be deep-seated cop haters.

Do you actually respect cops who drive drunks over and over again? They are an insult to good cops. You may hate Karen Read all you want but there were no good guys in that house.

And I didn't make a single statement praising any of the people drinking and driving that evening - your post is a straw man.

Karen Read was one of those drunk drivers, and the only one who ran a good man down and left him to die in the snow when there is a ton of consciousness of guilt to establish that for hours she knew she'd done something and out of fear of an OUI and damaged reputation, she did NOTHING to save his life. She could have called somebody to check on him. She could have called 911. SHE DID NOTHING - until she decided to save her ass by attacking the justice system in Massachusetts and harassing dozens of innocent people who never did her any harm whatsoever. She's a puke. She's a piece of excrement. She's a lot like our current president - nothing is ever her fault and she will destroy anybody, including children, to get her way. That upsets me a lot more than some cops who drank after attending a funeral of another cop. A cop who drinks is not by definition a bad cop, anyway. It seems you'll say anything to defend the murder diva you adore.

DP, but it sounds like you do write off their drunk driving as NBD, especially if you're the same poster who wrote they were just socializing because kid's sports were cancelled.

We have hard evidence that Karen Read was 2-4x the legal limit when she drove John and then ran him down in the road.

What evidence is there that anybody else drove over the legal limit? None. Brian Albert and Brian Higgins both outweigh Karen Read by 2.5-3x her body weight, so they have a very different tolerance and metabolization of alcohol. Apparently Brian Higgins drove to the Alberts and then later on the Canton PD, but we have no evidence that Brian Albert drove at all. We have no evidence that those who drove were over the legal limit. They certainly didn't wake up the next morning to smashed tail lights and the sick feeling that their boyfriend might have been killed by a plow and yet they have a vague memory of backing up and striking something.

It is not illegal to drive after consuming alcohol in Massachusetts, or any other jurisdiction that I'm aware of - certainly none of the ones in which I've practiced criminal law. I don't know of a single state that has a zero tolerance for alcohol consumption before driving except for underage drivers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Brian Albert didn't go outside for the same reason none of the other neighbors did - it was dark, 6am in January in the midst of a blizzard with howling wind and sideways snow and very limited visibility. In those conditions with the shades drawn and being sound asleep after a day/night of drinking, Brian Albert didn't wake up. He and his wife didn't wake up until Jen McCabe, Brian's wife's sister, came up the stairs into their room to wake them.

The police, EMTs and fire department rolled silent to the call as is the usual practice very late at night and early morning to residential addresses. Karen's screaming was sucked away by the howling blizzard wind which also dampens all other sounds.

It's almost like the people commenting on this have never lived in a place where blizzards happen and have no familiarity with the conditions. For the record, this storm was in the top ten of recorded winter storms in the modern era for eastern Massachusetts, it was a very real storm and it also accounts for the issues that arose with Canton PD trying to collect evidence in those conditions prior to arrival of the MSP search team.

And yes, even if the weather conditions had been ideal it would have been stupid for Albert to insinuate himself into a crime scene in Canton where he has no jurisdiction when there was Canton PD and EMS and fire department all on scene - he doesn't give better CPR than a paramedic firefighter. It's a total red herring to point to him for not coming out of the house.

The data evidence is science and it will win the case. But the conspiracy theories are so ludicrous I cannot believe anyone of average or above average intelligence is swallowing it. Those of you who do must be deep-seated cop haters.

The cops and the public defenders in my family think she’s innocent and that the son did it.

You must have some pretty dumb cops in your family if they think a guy who was entirely excluded by concrete GPS data from being at the location and have opportunity to commit a crime against John O'Keefe is the guilty culprit.

The public defenders in your family probably just hate cops and would swallow whatever ridiculous fabrications against some that they heard, anytime anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Brian Albert didn't go outside for the same reason none of the other neighbors did - it was dark, 6am in January in the midst of a blizzard with howling wind and sideways snow and very limited visibility. In those conditions with the shades drawn and being sound asleep after a day/night of drinking, Brian Albert didn't wake up. He and his wife didn't wake up until Jen McCabe, Brian's wife's sister, came up the stairs into their room to wake them.

The police, EMTs and fire department rolled silent to the call as is the usual practice very late at night and early morning to residential addresses. Karen's screaming was sucked away by the howling blizzard wind which also dampens all other sounds.

It's almost like the people commenting on this have never lived in a place where blizzards happen and have no familiarity with the conditions. For the record, this storm was in the top ten of recorded winter storms in the modern era for eastern Massachusetts, it was a very real storm and it also accounts for the issues that arose with Canton PD trying to collect evidence in those conditions prior to arrival of the MSP search team.

And yes, even if the weather conditions had been ideal it would have been stupid for Albert to insinuate himself into a crime scene in Canton where he has no jurisdiction when there was Canton PD and EMS and fire department all on scene - he doesn't give better CPR than a paramedic firefighter. It's a total red herring to point to him for not coming out of the house.

The data evidence is science and it will win the case. But the conspiracy theories are so ludicrous I cannot believe anyone of average or above average intelligence is swallowing it. Those of you who do must be deep-seated cop haters.

Do you actually respect cops who drive drunks over and over again? They are an insult to good cops. You may hate Karen Read all you want but there were no good guys in that house.

And I didn't make a single statement praising any of the people drinking and driving that evening - your post is a straw man.

Karen Read was one of those drunk drivers, and the only one who ran a good man down and left him to die in the snow when there is a ton of consciousness of guilt to establish that for hours she knew she'd done something and out of fear of an OUI and damaged reputation, she did NOTHING to save his life. She could have called somebody to check on him. She could have called 911. SHE DID NOTHING - until she decided to save her ass by attacking the justice system in Massachusetts and harassing dozens of innocent people who never did her any harm whatsoever. She's a puke. She's a piece of excrement. She's a lot like our current president - nothing is ever her fault and she will destroy anybody, including children, to get her way. That upsets me a lot more than some cops who drank after attending a funeral of another cop. A cop who drinks is not by definition a bad cop, anyway. It seems you'll say anything to defend the murder diva you adore.

DP, but it sounds like you do write off their drunk driving as NBD, especially if you're the same poster who wrote they were just socializing because kid's sports were cancelled.

We have hard evidence that Karen Read was 2-4x the legal limit when she drove John and then ran him down in the road.

What evidence is there that anybody else drove over the legal limit? None. Brian Albert and Brian Higgins both outweigh Karen Read by 2.5-3x her body weight, so they have a very different tolerance and metabolization of alcohol. Apparently Brian Higgins drove to the Alberts and then later on the Canton PD, but we have no evidence that Brian Albert drove at all. We have no evidence that those who drove were over the legal limit. They certainly didn't wake up the next morning to smashed tail lights and the sick feeling that their boyfriend might have been killed by a plow and yet they have a vague memory of backing up and striking something.

It is not illegal to drive after consuming alcohol in Massachusetts, or any other jurisdiction that I'm aware of - certainly none of the ones in which I've practiced criminal law. I don't know of a single state that has a zero tolerance for alcohol consumption before driving except for underage drivers.

They hid in their house while their buddy was dead on the front lawn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, court tv lady-I think there’s reasonable doubt. No one I know in mass thinks the case is strong enough and most are shocked and annoyed they retried.

I'm not "court tv lady," I'm a GULC JD with decades of experience in our criminal justice system and several hundred DUIs under my belt as both a defender and a prosecutor.

And you must not know many people in Mass who have actual brains in their heads, or the ones you know are all cult susceptible non-critical thinkers.

you must be a terrible attorney to believe such lies. GULS should take your degree back.

You have no investment into this case. I am local. My parents live in Canton. Everyone in town knows she didn’t do it and is getting railroaded while I pay for it as a taxpayer.

Every ALL CAPS comment you make can be rebutted.

MSP is garbage as is Canton PD. Look at the Birchmore case.

I have no investment in the case? I'm a sworn officer of the court and I take the disgusting attack by Read and her defense on our system very, very personally.

Your Canton residing parents don't make you a special snowflake dearie; my family built the Commonwealth of Massachusetts from 1620 when they stepped off the Mayflower and in every generation since through a long and storied family history of public service. My grandfather was William Bradford, you fool.

Canton PD isn't garbage and screw you for saying it. MSP isn't garbage either, although like any police force in this nation is has a history of corruption and needs reform. No different from any other cop shop in America. The fact that some cops are crap is what gives a disgusting lie like Karen's defense fertile ground to grow - that and the fact that there are so many cop haters like you and your parents in this world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, court tv lady-I think there’s reasonable doubt. No one I know in mass thinks the case is strong enough and most are shocked and annoyed they retried.

I'm not "court tv lady," I'm a GULC JD with decades of experience in our criminal justice system and several hundred DUIs under my belt as both a defender and a prosecutor.

And you must not know many people in Mass who have actual brains in their heads, or the ones you know are all cult susceptible non-critical thinkers.

you must be a terrible attorney to believe such lies. GULS should take your degree back.

You have no investment into this case. I am local. My parents live in Canton. Everyone in town knows she didn’t do it and is getting railroaded while I pay for it as a taxpayer.

Every ALL CAPS comment you make can be rebutted.

MSP is garbage as is Canton PD. Look at the Birchmore case.

I have no investment in the case? I'm a sworn officer of the court and I take the disgusting attack by Read and her defense on our system very, very personally.

Your Canton residing parents don't make you a special snowflake dearie; my family built the Commonwealth of Massachusetts from 1620 when they stepped off the Mayflower and in every generation since through a long and storied family history of public service. My grandfather was William Bradford, you fool.

Canton PD isn't garbage and screw you for saying it. MSP isn't garbage either, although like any police force in this nation is has a history of corruption and needs reform. No different from any other cop shop in America. The fact that some cops are crap is what gives a disgusting lie like Karen's defense fertile ground to grow - that and the fact that there are so many cop haters like you and your parents in this world.

Oh dear. Respectfully, I really think you should step away from the keyboard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:She did it. If the people in the house killed him, which they did not, then they got pretty damn lucky that she broke her tail light and was the one to find him the next morning. Because without that they would have had no way to pin this on her.

She called her mom that night in the middle of the night 3 times she knew what she did.

Lots of women call their moms multiple times a day or night. Whatever!

Nonsense. People do not call their moms three times after 1am unless something is wrong.

Oh yeah, prove it! You can’t, Hahahaha!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, court tv lady-I think there’s reasonable doubt. No one I know in mass thinks the case is strong enough and most are shocked and annoyed they retried.

I'm not "court tv lady," I'm a GULC JD with decades of experience in our criminal justice system and several hundred DUIs under my belt as both a defender and a prosecutor.

And you must not know many people in Mass who have actual brains in their heads, or the ones you know are all cult susceptible non-critical thinkers.

you must be a terrible attorney to believe such lies. GULS should take your degree back.

You have no investment into this case. I am local. My parents live in Canton. Everyone in town knows she didn’t do it and is getting railroaded while I pay for it as a taxpayer.

Every ALL CAPS comment you make can be rebutted.

MSP is garbage as is Canton PD. Look at the Birchmore case.

I have no investment in the case? I'm a sworn officer of the court and I take the disgusting attack by Read and her defense on our system very, very personally.

Your Canton residing parents don't make you a special snowflake dearie; my family built the Commonwealth of Massachusetts from 1620 when they stepped off the Mayflower and in every generation since through a long and storied family history of public service. My grandfather was William Bradford, you fool.

Canton PD isn't garbage and screw you for saying it. MSP isn't garbage either, although like any police force in this nation is has a history of corruption and needs reform. No different from any other cop shop in America. The fact that some cops are crap is what gives a disgusting lie like Karen's defense fertile ground to grow - that and the fact that there are so many cop haters like you and your parents in this world.

Your grandfather was born in 1590. How old are you?