Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:History is long, cities are captured and change hands. Civilizations rise and fall.

And we risk nuclear war that could end humanity.

If the Russian Government does this, one thing will be absolutely certain.

I have a very different take on this point.

Let's suppose that Russians first-strike and nuke the US, and they're so successful that the US is wiped off the face of the planet with nuclear weapons, and there is zero damage to Russia. Far-fetched, I know, but this is just a make-believe hypothetical to prove a point.

The net result? I believe there will not be a place on Earth that Russians can vacation or travel to and not be scorned or hated (except maybe North Korea? but certainly no where with a beach..). I believe that Russians, as an ethnicity, will end. No one will want to be associated with Russia or being called a Russian and no amount of Russian propaganda will be able to change that.

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3181617/backlash-against-russians-living-abroad-all-too-familiar-anxious

The US is not an ethnicity - it is fundamentally a collection of people from around the globe who immigrated. The US is so interconnected to the world's financial systems, shipping of goods and services, relatives living abroad, etc. that there is no country on the planet that is not interconnected (except North Korea.. but our ally South Korea covers that part and the US has A LOT of ties to South Korea). Whether you love the US or hate it, the point is that it is what it is and no way to avoid it.

Plus, once the world sees the US, as a powerful country, wiped off the face of the Earth; they will probably turn to China for protection. And what will China do?

Russia will be the only impediment to China's rule of the planet. Xi may not want that. Other chinese officials may not want that. Now. But later? Who knows.

There is only one outcome for Russia and all Russians if they pull the nuclear trigger.

Feel better now?

No

I think the environmental impact from that kind of strike ends it for everyone.

Russia going nuclear is suicide for Russia. It would be pure idiocy.

No it’s not. Russia can still play this card and call our bluff. If Russia launches a strike against Ukraine, are we really going to respond? Are we willing to sacrifice Chicago for Kiev? Los Angeles for Odesa? No. We can certainly put a tighter economic squeeze on Russia but Putin has enough friends to avert an economic collapse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Russia’s collapse has already started. China is not going to bail them out from anything.

Chinese media is already bringing up reclaiming Haishenwai that Russia annexed in 1860 from China.

Yes. Crazy times. This is land that China lost when they were weakened by the Opium Wars. And Chinese nationalism should never be underestimated. This area, including Vladivostok, has long been regarded as Chinese - from 12th Century maps all the way to the Russian Revolution when ethnic Chinese were deported. What the invasion of Ukraine has accelerated is the unraveling of the Russian Empire - beginning with the end of the Warsaw Pact and continuing through today. The Caucasus are due to explode - Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia. But it's the Far East where things are going to get very interesting. Russia has destroyed its conventional forces with its ruinous invasion of Ukraine. And those historical Chinese lands are now just sitting there, vulnerable and unprotected. Borders are never written in stone. And the Russian Far East is a much easier target for Chinese nationalism than Taiwan. The amount of chaos unleashed by Russia is breathtaking. Stupidity and arrogance are always a dangerous combination and Russians seem to have both in spades. Reckless dumbasses.

Interesting that you lumped together Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan AND the Russian north Caucasus. They are very different and have different interests and aspirations.
I agree with a lot of the rest

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Russia’s collapse has already started. China is not going to bail them out from anything.

Chinese media is already bringing up reclaiming Haishenwai that Russia annexed in 1860 from China.

Yes. Crazy times. This is land that China lost when they were weakened by the Opium Wars. And Chinese nationalism should never be underestimated. This area, including Vladivostok, has long been regarded as Chinese - from 12th Century maps all the way to the Russian Revolution when ethnic Chinese were deported. What the invasion of Ukraine has accelerated is the unraveling of the Russian Empire - beginning with the end of the Warsaw Pact and continuing through today. The Caucasus are due to explode - Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia. But it's the Far East where things are going to get very interesting. Russia has destroyed its conventional forces with its ruinous invasion of Ukraine. And those historical Chinese lands are now just sitting there, vulnerable and unprotected. Borders are never written in stone. And the Russian Far East is a much easier target for Chinese nationalism than Taiwan. The amount of chaos unleashed by Russia is breathtaking. Stupidity and arrogance are always a dangerous combination and Russians seem to have both in spades. Reckless dumbasses.

Interesting that you lumped together Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan AND the Russian north Caucasus. They are very different and have different interests and aspirations.
I agree with a lot of the rest

DP. They do have different interests and aspirations but unfortunately they are going to be swept up in the chaos.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than a few hockey players and lots of attractive women who seem to enjoy doing porn there is not much Russia offers the rest of the world for culture or any real value.

After Russia loses in Ukraine I hope the country spends a few decades evolving into something tolerable.

Most of "Russia's" culture and history actually came from Ukraine. They even stole the name Russia from the Kievan Rus.

Oh god what a hoax lol
I mean I wish Ukraine to win and all the best but let’s be real here and not entertain crazy theories

Not so "crazy" - do some reading on the Kievan Rus and Vladimir-Suzdal Rus. The founding families of Ukraine are who elevated Moscow from an obscure nothing place in a swamp into a place if meaning.

I am sorry but no one is interested except Ukrainians
Probably not even Russians
I mean this kindly as an outsider: people who talk about this get eye rolls behind their backs. I don’t recommend mentioning it to anyone except fellowUkrainians or maybe if you want to antagonize a Russian. It’s just irrelevant

I mean this kindly as a bystander: I give people who don't get this eye rolls to your face. I think you don't know what your talking about and you're an incompetent fool. Revisionist history is a the bread-and-butter of Russian Propaganda used to indoctrinate the population to support Russian Government military action. Russian propagandists talk about this stuff just about every other week. If you ever travelled to any part of the former Soviet Union or one of its satellites, history a very big deal. In fact, if you even say the wrong word, it's a big deal. Say "brot" versus "hlep" or "molim" versus "pashalasta" will pretty much set the tone of your conversation with that person.

Putin’s Inaccurate Historical Propaganda : The History of the Russian and Ukrainian Relations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzxBKcTpRe4

"Falsification of history of Poland by the Kremlin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk09zyW5j2w

"Kadyrov, however, went further. Not content to be a mere Kremlin mouthpiece, his essay spins out a specious history of Chechnya that blames the West and not Russia for two brutal wars that subjugated his republic."
https://www.polygraph.info/a/6743317.html

"How Putin's propaganda is weaponising the Russian Orthodox Church"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H7lGVGNVME

And under the watchful gaze of Roskomnadzor, the revisionism and propaganda flourishes, and any truth to counter it gets squashed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Russia’s collapse has already started. China is not going to bail them out from anything.

Chinese media is already bringing up reclaiming Haishenwai that Russia annexed in 1860 from China.

Nope, Russia will never collapse. Ukrainian are losing badly, but US and Ukrainian media is not admitting it.

Warm up the violin, Nero.

[Anonymous]

Should Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia send help to Ukraine to keep Russia from moving on to its next conquest?

[Anonymous]

For that matter, should Georgia look at retaking the areas that broke away in 2008.
These breakaways and a Russian invasion is why Biden is currently President, as Obama was planning on picking Tim Kaine.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:History is long, cities are captured and change hands. Civilizations rise and fall.

And we risk nuclear war that could end humanity.

If the Russian Government does this, one thing will be absolutely certain.

I have a very different take on this point.

Let's suppose that Russians first-strike and nuke the US, and they're so successful that the US is wiped off the face of the planet with nuclear weapons, and there is zero damage to Russia. Far-fetched, I know, but this is just a make-believe hypothetical to prove a point.

The net result? I believe there will not be a place on Earth that Russians can vacation or travel to and not be scorned or hated (except maybe North Korea? but certainly no where with a beach..). I believe that Russians, as an ethnicity, will end. No one will want to be associated with Russia or being called a Russian and no amount of Russian propaganda will be able to change that.

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3181617/backlash-against-russians-living-abroad-all-too-familiar-anxious

The US is not an ethnicity - it is fundamentally a collection of people from around the globe who immigrated. The US is so interconnected to the world's financial systems, shipping of goods and services, relatives living abroad, etc. that there is no country on the planet that is not interconnected (except North Korea.. but our ally South Korea covers that part and the US has A LOT of ties to South Korea). Whether you love the US or hate it, the point is that it is what it is and no way to avoid it.

Plus, once the world sees the US, as a powerful country, wiped off the face of the Earth; they will probably turn to China for protection. And what will China do?

Russia will be the only impediment to China's rule of the planet. Xi may not want that. Other chinese officials may not want that. Now. But later? Who knows.

There is only one outcome for Russia and all Russians if they pull the nuclear trigger.

Feel better now?

No

I think the environmental impact from that kind of strike ends it for everyone.

Russia going nuclear is suicide for Russia. It would be pure idiocy.

No it’s not. Russia can still play this card and call our bluff. If Russia launches a strike against Ukraine, are we really going to respond? Are we willing to sacrifice Chicago for Kiev? Los Angeles for Odesa? No. We can certainly put a tighter economic squeeze on Russia but Putin has enough friends to avert an economic collapse.

Comrade Trollski:

We have a new saying in America:

“Fu** around and find out.”

If a nuclear weapon is detonated in Ukraine, I can absolutely promise you this:

NATO will very quickly use the massive military means at its disposal to obliterate what little remains of the Russian military.

[Anonymous]

Putin resorting to nukes would be a clear sign of weakness and failure on his part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putin resorting to nukes would be a clear sign of weakness and failure on his part.

Putin won’t

China will not allow him

He has enough chemical and biological weapons to use before nukes

But doesn’t need them yet either

There is still enough conventional forces to grind this out until 2030 and there is a decent chance he gets trump in less than 24 months and things flip on their head

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia send help to Ukraine to keep Russia from moving on to its next conquest?

Lol what help? Azerbaijan is the only one with resources but they aren’t getting involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than a few hockey players and lots of attractive women who seem to enjoy doing porn there is not much Russia offers the rest of the world for culture or any real value.

After Russia loses in Ukraine I hope the country spends a few decades evolving into something tolerable.

Most of "Russia's" culture and history actually came from Ukraine. They even stole the name Russia from the Kievan Rus.

Oh god what a hoax lol
I mean I wish Ukraine to win and all the best but let’s be real here and not entertain crazy theories

Not so "crazy" - do some reading on the Kievan Rus and Vladimir-Suzdal Rus. The founding families of Ukraine are who elevated Moscow from an obscure nothing place in a swamp into a place if meaning.

I am sorry but no one is interested except Ukrainians
Probably not even Russians
I mean this kindly as an outsider: people who talk about this get eye rolls behind their backs. I don’t recommend mentioning it to anyone except fellowUkrainians or maybe if you want to antagonize a Russian. It’s just irrelevant

I mean this kindly as a bystander: I give people who don't get this eye rolls to your face. I think you don't know what your talking about and you're an incompetent fool. Revisionist history is a the bread-and-butter of Russian Propaganda used to indoctrinate the population to support Russian Government military action. Russian propagandists talk about this stuff just about every other week. If you ever travelled to any part of the former Soviet Union or one of its satellites, history a very big deal. In fact, if you even say the wrong word, it's a big deal. Say "brot" versus "hlep" or "molim" versus "pashalasta" will pretty much set the tone of your conversation with that person.

Putin’s Inaccurate Historical Propaganda : The History of the Russian and Ukrainian Relations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzxBKcTpRe4

"Falsification of history of Poland by the Kremlin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk09zyW5j2w

"Kadyrov, however, went further. Not content to be a mere Kremlin mouthpiece, his essay spins out a specious history of Chechnya that blames the West and not Russia for two brutal wars that subjugated his republic."
https://www.polygraph.info/a/6743317.html

"How Putin's propaganda is weaponising the Russian Orthodox Church"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H7lGVGNVME

And under the watchful gaze of Roskomnadzor, the revisionism and propaganda flourishes, and any truth to counter it gets squashed.

Nobody cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than a few hockey players and lots of attractive women who seem to enjoy doing porn there is not much Russia offers the rest of the world for culture or any real value.

After Russia loses in Ukraine I hope the country spends a few decades evolving into something tolerable.

Most of "Russia's" culture and history actually came from Ukraine. They even stole the name Russia from the Kievan Rus.

Oh god what a hoax lol
I mean I wish Ukraine to win and all the best but let’s be real here and not entertain crazy theories

Not so "crazy" - do some reading on the Kievan Rus and Vladimir-Suzdal Rus. The founding families of Ukraine are who elevated Moscow from an obscure nothing place in a swamp into a place if meaning.

I am sorry but no one is interested except Ukrainians
Probably not even Russians
I mean this kindly as an outsider: people who talk about this get eye rolls behind their backs. I don’t recommend mentioning it to anyone except fellowUkrainians or maybe if you want to antagonize a Russian. It’s just irrelevant

I mean this kindly as a bystander: I give people who don't get this eye rolls to your face. I think you don't know what your talking about and you're an incompetent fool. Revisionist history is a the bread-and-butter of Russian Propaganda used to indoctrinate the population to support Russian Government military action. Russian propagandists talk about this stuff just about every other week. If you ever travelled to any part of the former Soviet Union or one of its satellites, history a very big deal. In fact, if you even say the wrong word, it's a big deal. Say "brot" versus "hlep" or "molim" versus "pashalasta" will pretty much set the tone of your conversation with that person.

Putin’s Inaccurate Historical Propaganda : The History of the Russian and Ukrainian Relations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzxBKcTpRe4

"Falsification of history of Poland by the Kremlin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk09zyW5j2w

"Kadyrov, however, went further. Not content to be a mere Kremlin mouthpiece, his essay spins out a specious history of Chechnya that blames the West and not Russia for two brutal wars that subjugated his republic."
https://www.polygraph.info/a/6743317.html

"How Putin's propaganda is weaponising the Russian Orthodox Church"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H7lGVGNVME

And under the watchful gaze of Roskomnadzor, the revisionism and propaganda flourishes, and any truth to counter it gets squashed.

Nobody cares.

Nobody cares? Russian media outlets care, they get arrested or get their licenses pulled if they dare tell the truth about the war. Even calling it a war would have gotten you jailed a year ago.

Nobody cares? We here in the west know that the only words to come out of Russia have already been heavily laundered in accordance with the latest propaganda.

The only people who don't care are either fools, morons, or people in denial.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putin resorting to nukes would be a clear sign of weakness and failure on his part.

Putin won’t

China will not allow him

He has enough chemical and biological weapons to use before nukes

But doesn’t need them yet either

There is still enough conventional forces to grind this out until 2030 and there is a decent chance he gets trump in less than 24 months and things flip on their head

Trump would let Putin steamroll Ukraine... and the Baltics, Poland and whatever else Putin wants.