Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

This war would be over and done but for the skim.

Cannot afford peace until those Côte d’Azur and Miami villas are paid for.

[Anonymous]

It's fine. Confiscate all the Russian overseas assets and it won't be an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:And also think of it this way - do you seriously think Putin would negotiate? I think you're stupid and naive.

He's like a mob boss who get's beaten up and then comes back with a tire iron in hand, get's beaten up again and then comes back with a gun.. it's the way he is. And the people around him think he's cool and strong that way. It's not going to change overnight.

It's time to take Russia seriously, as a very dangerous, unstable, threatening power.

Fine let me be perfectly frank. Give this mob boss (sounds like too kind a descriptor of Putin) the Russian speaking east and be done with it

Ukraine is being destroyed for useless territories.

Let’s build a strong Ukraine in what remains.

No more bloodshed. We’ve had far too much. Putin will see Justice from his creator though perhaps not on this earth.

Fine let me be perfectly frank. It's people like you that would have worked for Hitler.

How truly arrogant you are. It's up to the people of Ukraine to decide, not you - not me.

The bloodshed will continue as long as the West gives in to Putin's demands. Appeasement was the US policy in 1938, and look at what happened.

Rapes, murders, kidnapping of children? The country is not human anymore. Russia is far, far too dangerous now.

The only course of action at this point is for Russia to unilaterally withdraw and cut further losses.

Or maybe we could dismantle an alliance that has no purpose other than to antagonize Russia, apologize for blowing up their pipes, integrate them into the Western economy and isolate China. Doesn't that make more sense than pushing them right into China's arms?

This is what we should have been doing if our policy makers weren't hung up on ancient grievances.

Yes that makes total sense (/s), wolves only attack sheep because the shepherds are there. If the shepherds are removed the wolves would not attack the sheep at all.

Russia just shows why NATO is still relevant and necessary. We should be moving toward more alliance and cooperation and less stupid war that wastes money and lives. Not backward to more bloodshed and lost generations.

Exactly. And the greatest irony of all is that 2 years ago, Sweden and Finland had zero interest in joining NATO yet now, thanks to Putin's wars of choice, they fully see the need for NATO.

They were always interested, but before they did not think it was worth antagonizing Russia.

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Anonymous wrote:And also think of it this way - do you seriously think Putin would negotiate? I think you're stupid and naive.

He's like a mob boss who get's beaten up and then comes back with a tire iron in hand, get's beaten up again and then comes back with a gun.. it's the way he is. And the people around him think he's cool and strong that way. It's not going to change overnight.

It's time to take Russia seriously, as a very dangerous, unstable, threatening power.

Fine let me be perfectly frank. Give this mob boss (sounds like too kind a descriptor of Putin) the Russian speaking east and be done with it

Ukraine is being destroyed for useless territories.

Let’s build a strong Ukraine in what remains.

No more bloodshed. We’ve had far too much. Putin will see Justice from his creator though perhaps not on this earth.

Fine let me be perfectly frank. It's people like you that would have worked for Hitler.

How truly arrogant you are. It's up to the people of Ukraine to decide, not you - not me.

The bloodshed will continue as long as the West gives in to Putin's demands. Appeasement was the US policy in 1938, and look at what happened.

Rapes, murders, kidnapping of children? The country is not human anymore. Russia is far, far too dangerous now.

The only course of action at this point is for Russia to unilaterally withdraw and cut further losses.

Or maybe we could dismantle an alliance that has no purpose other than to antagonize Russia, apologize for blowing up their pipes, integrate them into the Western economy and isolate China. Doesn't that make more sense than pushing them right into China's arms?

This is what we should have been doing if our policy makers weren't hung up on ancient grievances.

Yes that makes total sense (/s), wolves only attack sheep because the shepherds are there. If the shepherds are removed the wolves would not attack the sheep at all.

Russia just shows why NATO is still relevant and necessary. We should be moving toward more alliance and cooperation and less stupid war that wastes money and lives. Not backward to more bloodshed and lost generations.

Exactly. And the greatest irony of all is that 2 years ago, Sweden and Finland had zero interest in joining NATO yet now, thanks to Putin's wars of choice, they fully see the need for NATO.

They were always interested, but before they did not think it was worth antagonizing Russia.

Now Russia's weakness is exposed.

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Anonymous wrote:History is long, cities are captured and change hands. Civilizations rise and fall.

And we risk nuclear war that could end humanity.

If the Russian Government does this, one thing will be absolutely certain.

I have a very different take on this point.

Let's suppose that Russians first-strike and nuke the US, and they're so successful that the US is wiped off the face of the planet with nuclear weapons, and there is zero damage to Russia. Far-fetched, I know, but this is just a make-believe hypothetical to prove a point.

The net result? I believe there will not be a place on Earth that Russians can vacation or travel to and not be scorned or hated (except maybe North Korea? but certainly no where with a beach..). I believe that Russians, as an ethnicity, will end. No one will want to be associated with Russia or being called a Russian and no amount of Russian propaganda will be able to change that.

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3181617/backlash-against-russians-living-abroad-all-too-familiar-anxious

The US is not an ethnicity - it is fundamentally a collection of people from around the globe who immigrated. The US is so interconnected to the world's financial systems, shipping of goods and services, relatives living abroad, etc. that there is no country on the planet that is not interconnected (except North Korea.. but our ally South Korea covers that part and the US has A LOT of ties to South Korea). Whether you love the US or hate it, the point is that it is what it is and no way to avoid it.

Plus, once the world sees the US, as a powerful country, wiped off the face of the Earth; they will probably turn to China for protection. And what will China do?

Russia will be the only impediment to China's rule of the planet. Xi may not want that. Other chinese officials may not want that. Now. But later? Who knows.

There is only one outcome for Russia and all Russians if they pull the nuclear trigger.

Feel better now?

No

I think the environmental impact from that kind of strike ends it for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:History is long, cities are captured and change hands. Civilizations rise and fall.

And we risk nuclear war that could end humanity.

If the Russian Government does this, one thing will be absolutely certain.

I have a very different take on this point.

Let's suppose that Russians first-strike and nuke the US, and they're so successful that the US is wiped off the face of the planet with nuclear weapons, and there is zero damage to Russia. Far-fetched, I know, but this is just a make-believe hypothetical to prove a point.

The net result? I believe there will not be a place on Earth that Russians can vacation or travel to and not be scorned or hated (except maybe North Korea? but certainly no where with a beach..). I believe that Russians, as an ethnicity, will end. No one will want to be associated with Russia or being called a Russian and no amount of Russian propaganda will be able to change that.

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3181617/backlash-against-russians-living-abroad-all-too-familiar-anxious

The US is not an ethnicity - it is fundamentally a collection of people from around the globe who immigrated. The US is so interconnected to the world's financial systems, shipping of goods and services, relatives living abroad, etc. that there is no country on the planet that is not interconnected (except North Korea.. but our ally South Korea covers that part and the US has A LOT of ties to South Korea). Whether you love the US or hate it, the point is that it is what it is and no way to avoid it.

Plus, once the world sees the US, as a powerful country, wiped off the face of the Earth; they will probably turn to China for protection. And what will China do?

Russia will be the only impediment to China's rule of the planet. Xi may not want that. Other chinese officials may not want that. Now. But later? Who knows.

There is only one outcome for Russia and all Russians if they pull the nuclear trigger.

Feel better now?

No

I think the environmental impact from that kind of strike ends it for everyone.

Russia going nuclear is suicide for Russia. It would be pure idiocy.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than a few hockey players and lots of attractive women who seem to enjoy doing porn there is not much Russia offers the rest of the world for culture or any real value.

After Russia loses in Ukraine I hope the country spends a few decades evolving into something tolerable.

Most of "Russia's" culture and history actually came from Ukraine. They even stole the name Russia from the Kievan Rus.

Oh god what a hoax lol
I mean I wish Ukraine to win and all the best but let’s be real here and not entertain crazy theories

Not so "crazy" - do some reading on the Kievan Rus and Vladimir-Suzdal Rus. The founding families of Ukraine are who elevated Moscow from an obscure nothing place in a swamp into a place if meaning.

I am sorry but no one is interested except Ukrainians
Probably not even Russians
I mean this kindly as an outsider: people who talk about this get eye rolls behind their backs. I don’t recommend mentioning it to anyone except fellowUkrainians or maybe if you want to antagonize a Russian. It’s just irrelevant

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Anonymous wrote:Other than a few hockey players and lots of attractive women who seem to enjoy doing porn there is not much Russia offers the rest of the world for culture or any real value.

After Russia loses in Ukraine I hope the country spends a few decades evolving into something tolerable.

Most of "Russia's" culture and history actually came from Ukraine. They even stole the name Russia from the Kievan Rus.

Did you attend college?

Yes.

Did you? Did you know that Ukrainian Cyrillic is older than Russian Cyrillic? Did you know that the founding documents for your capitol, Moscow, are in the Ukrainian archives - and why? (psst, it's because they chartered founded it, Kyiv was already a city when Moscow was nothing)

You say this like it means anything.

Whatever propaganda and revisionism you learned in your Russian schools is of no interest to me

Ukrainians will fight a counter-insurgency until the end of time if necessary. This war is unwinnable for Russians in any kind of conventional sense. They will never take Kyiv or Lviv or any part of western Ukraine. The difficult reality though is that a genuine victory is dependent on the success of Ukraine's counter-offensive this Spring and Summer. There isn't enough ammunition to sustain this level of warfare, Both sides are holding back right now, but when it's on they are launching 25,000 shells a day. That is not how NATO fights. This is an old-timey WWI war with trenches and artillery duals combined with drones and precision weapons. The world has never seen anything like this. It's absolutely brutal. And it's not sustainable. No one planned for this kind of war in Europe. Either Ukraine breaks through this year or this goes on for years.

But if Russia does something really stupid - tactical nukes, crossing the line into Poland or the Baltics - and NATO does get genuinely involved, this war is done in four weeks. The stuff we send to Ukraine is old. Russia has no answer to modern western weapon systems. Regardless, strategically, the invasion of Ukraine is a catastrophe for Russia. The impacts will last for generations. Would be surprised if the Russian Federation survives. Xi Jinping's visit to Moscow was almost predatory.

DP but I agree. I think it will last for years though. There will be no breakthrough and Russia is stupid but not that stupid to involve NATO
I am telling you, it’s like covid. First it was a fight to save all the old ladies in nursing homes but now everyone is tired of it and wants to get on with their lives
I give the world another year to get tired of this war

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a way out though. Russia pulls out of Ukraine. Russian's who fled the country are permitted to return with amnesty. An internal, peaceful change of government returns. Russia enters peace negotiations to work with Ukraine to heal the damage long-term. Russia turns over a new leaf - a bitter pill to swallow, but one they can be proud of in the long run.

But why would Russia pull out? I don’t approve of it of course but I don’t see why they would just up and go? There has to be something that makes it inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:Other than a few hockey players and lots of attractive women who seem to enjoy doing porn there is not much Russia offers the rest of the world for culture or any real value.

After Russia loses in Ukraine I hope the country spends a few decades evolving into something tolerable.

Most of "Russia's" culture and history actually came from Ukraine. They even stole the name Russia from the Kievan Rus.

Oh god what a hoax lol
I mean I wish Ukraine to win and all the best but let’s be real here and not entertain crazy theories

Not so "crazy" - do some reading on the Kievan Rus and Vladimir-Suzdal Rus. The founding families of Ukraine are who elevated Moscow from an obscure nothing place in a swamp into a place if meaning.

I am sorry but no one is interested except Ukrainians
Probably not even Russians
I mean this kindly as an outsider: people who talk about this get eye rolls behind their backs. I don’t recommend mentioning it to anyone except fellowUkrainians or maybe if you want to antagonize a Russian. It’s just irrelevant

I mean this kindly as a bystander: I give people who don't get this eye rolls to your face. I think you don't know what your talking about and you're an incompetent fool. Revisionist history is a the bread-and-butter of Russian Propaganda used to indoctrinate the population to support Russian Government military action. Russian propagandists talk about this stuff just about every other week. If you ever travelled to any part of the former Soviet Union or one of its satellites, history a very big deal. In fact, if you even say the wrong word, it's a big deal. Say "brot" versus "hlep" or "molim" versus "pashalasta" will pretty much set the tone of your conversation with that person.

Putin’s Inaccurate Historical Propaganda : The History of the Russian and Ukrainian Relations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzxBKcTpRe4

"Falsification of history of Poland by the Kremlin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk09zyW5j2w

"Kadyrov, however, went further. Not content to be a mere Kremlin mouthpiece, his essay spins out a specious history of Chechnya that blames the West and not Russia for two brutal wars that subjugated his republic."
https://www.polygraph.info/a/6743317.html

"How Putin's propaganda is weaponising the Russian Orthodox Church"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H7lGVGNVME

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's fine. Confiscate all the Russian overseas assets and it won't be an issue.

I believe many of them cannot be found, at least in Europe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Other than a few hockey players and lots of attractive women who seem to enjoy doing porn there is not much Russia offers the rest of the world for culture or any real value.

After Russia loses in Ukraine I hope the country spends a few decades evolving into something tolerable.

Most of "Russia's" culture and history actually came from Ukraine. They even stole the name Russia from the Kievan Rus.

Oh god what a hoax lol
I mean I wish Ukraine to win and all the best but let’s be real here and not entertain crazy theories

Not so "crazy" - do some reading on the Kievan Rus and Vladimir-Suzdal Rus. The founding families of Ukraine are who elevated Moscow from an obscure nothing place in a swamp into a place if meaning.

I am sorry but no one is interested except Ukrainians
Probably not even Russians
I mean this kindly as an outsider: people who talk about this get eye rolls behind their backs. I don’t recommend mentioning it to anyone except fellowUkrainians or maybe if you want to antagonize a Russian. It’s just irrelevant

I mean this kindly as a bystander: I give people who don't get this eye rolls to your face. I think you don't know what your talking about and you're an incompetent fool. Revisionist history is a the bread-and-butter of Russian Propaganda used to indoctrinate the population to support Russian Government military action. Russian propagandists talk about this stuff just about every other week. If you ever travelled to any part of the former Soviet Union or one of its satellites, history a very big deal. In fact, if you even say the wrong word, it's a big deal. Say "brot" versus "hlep" or "molim" versus "pashalasta" will pretty much set the tone of your conversation with that person.

Putin’s Inaccurate Historical Propaganda : The History of the Russian and Ukrainian Relations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzxBKcTpRe4

"Falsification of history of Poland by the Kremlin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk09zyW5j2w

"Kadyrov, however, went further. Not content to be a mere Kremlin mouthpiece, his essay spins out a specious history of Chechnya that blames the West and not Russia for two brutal wars that subjugated his republic."
https://www.polygraph.info/a/6743317.html

"How Putin's propaganda is weaponising the Russian Orthodox Church"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H7lGVGNVME

Sorry but 99% of the people outside the former USSR don’t care
I’d stick to the dangers of invasion and necessity to win
All these historic squabbles are of very limited relevance to those outside of them

[Anonymous]

Russia’s collapse has already started. China is not going to bail them out from anything.

Chinese media is already bringing up reclaiming Haishenwai that Russia annexed in 1860 from China.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russia’s collapse has already started. China is not going to bail them out from anything.

Chinese media is already bringing up reclaiming Haishenwai that Russia annexed in 1860 from China.

Nope, Russia will never collapse. Ukrainian are losing badly, but US and Ukrainian media is not admitting it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russia’s collapse has already started. China is not going to bail them out from anything.

Chinese media is already bringing up reclaiming Haishenwai that Russia annexed in 1860 from China.

Yes. Crazy times. This is land that China lost when they were weakened by the Opium Wars. And Chinese nationalism should never be underestimated. This area, including Vladivostok, has long been regarded as Chinese - from 12th Century maps all the way to the Russian Revolution when ethnic Chinese were deported. What the invasion of Ukraine has accelerated is the unraveling of the Russian Empire - beginning with the end of the Warsaw Pact and continuing through today. The Caucasus are due to explode - Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia. But it's the Far East where things are going to get very interesting. Russia has destroyed its conventional forces with its ruinous invasion of Ukraine. And those historical Chinese lands are now just sitting there, vulnerable and unprotected. Borders are never written in stone. And the Russian Far East is a much easier target for Chinese nationalism than Taiwan. The amount of chaos unleashed by Russia is breathtaking. Stupidity and arrogance are always a dangerous combination and Russians seem to have both in spades. Reckless dumbasses.