Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Guns aren’t going anywhere, especially anytime soon. They are here to stay in our lifetime. Ban or not- they will be available and in circulation for a long time.

We need police with courage. We need police that will put their safety aside and rush in with everything they’ve got- when kids are being mass murdered. I wouldn’t expect this of police in very circumstance. But a school shooting, you
GO IN and stop him or die trying. We need police capable of this

I remember a time when the idea that people wouldn’t smoke cigarettes everywhere was inconceivable.

I'm old enough to remember that as well. My dad freaked out that he couldn't smoke in Pizza Hut. It always struck me as odd that restaurants had smoking and non-smoking sections, but you were all just in one large room together. Lol

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

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As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guns aren’t going anywhere, especially anytime soon. They are here to stay in our lifetime. Ban or not- they will be available and in circulation for a long time.

We need police with courage. We need police that will put their safety aside and rush in with everything they’ve got- when kids are being mass murdered. I wouldn’t expect this of police in very circumstance. But a school shooting, you
GO IN and stop him or die trying. We need police capable of this

I remember a time when the idea that people wouldn’t smoke cigarettes everywhere was inconceivable.

I hate guns and I can also be realistic about the power of the 2nd amendment.

No amendment about tobacco.

NP

2A applies to militias. We have a standing military, national guard, and white supremacy militias like the Oath Keepers. The Oath Keepers and those of their ilk should not have guns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guns aren’t going anywhere, especially anytime soon. They are here to stay in our lifetime. Ban or not- they will be available and in circulation for a long time.

We need police with courage. We need police that will put their safety aside and rush in with everything they’ve got- when kids are being mass murdered. I wouldn’t expect this of police in very circumstance. But a school shooting, you
GO IN and stop him or die trying. We need police capable of this

I remember a time when the idea that people wouldn’t smoke cigarettes everywhere was inconceivable.

I hate guns and I can also be realistic about the power of the 2nd amendment.

No amendment about tobacco.

NP

2A applies to militias. We have a standing military, national guard, and white supremacy militias like the Oath Keepers. The Oath Keepers and those of their ilk should not have guns.

I don’t think people realize how recent this “2nd amendment = you get a gun! everyone gets a gun!” interpretation is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

+1 From the horses’s mouth

[Anonymous]

All of these fences all of these secure buildings do nothing when hundreds of children leave that building every day and stand in lines waiting to get on buses or be picked up by their parents. Everyone is a sitting duck at that point We need to get rid of guns and have meaningful gun reform.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

I would love to hear from border patrol and how big a mess up this police department was

[Anonymous]

Oh my God, The rounds of the high power rifle went through the door and grazed a couple of cups so they ran away. If bullets went through the damn door and hit cops, what did they think was going on inside that room to those poor kids?

[Anonymous]

Thread on the FBI investigation:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

The answer is always more guns, isn’t it?! When do we have enough guns? You aren’t much better than the shooter. You enable people like him.

It's worked in the past. It's not always the answer but I guess until you get ALL the guns, your odds are better if there is a good guy with one as well.

The “good guy” line was literally made up by the NRA after Sandy Hook. There were 19 good guys there and they were all afraid of the arsenal that the people they voted for made available to the bad guy.

Here’s the training manual for school shootings:
https://www.tcole.texas.gov/sites/default/files/CourseCMU/Active%20Shooter%20-%20SBLE%202195%20course%20Final%201-30-20.docx

So take all the guns away from honest, law abiding citizens and see if the violence stops.

The mass shooting will stop. They didn’t exist before. Suicide by gun will also drop. Win-win in my book. Men will have to find another way to channel their rage.

Texas college shooting in the 60s. Sure they did. In Oct 1991 in Killeen TX. 24 dead. December 7, 1987, an entire plane was brought down in CA after the gunman killed the pilot and co-pilot, killing all aboard.

That's just two. Three. There are more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door.

[Anonymous]

Those cops failed and they stood there and heard more and more shots and children crying and screaming for their lives.
There is no supervisor alive that could keep me from breaking rank and going through that door. One of those cops needs to be fired and have their pensions pulled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of these fences all of these secure buildings do nothing when hundreds of children leave that building every day and stand in lines waiting to get on buses or be picked up by their parents. Everyone is a sitting duck at that point We need to get rid of guns and have meaningful gun reform.

Bomb can be used. Evil is just that - it finds a way.

We can imagine scenarios forever though. Better to start by securing things right away and simultaneously work on meaningful reform.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

The answer is always more guns, isn’t it?! When do we have enough guns? You aren’t much better than the shooter. You enable people like him.

It's worked in the past. It's not always the answer but I guess until you get ALL the guns, your odds are better if there is a good guy with one as well.

The “good guy” line was literally made up by the NRA after Sandy Hook. There were 19 good guys there and they were all afraid of the arsenal that the people they voted for made available to the bad guy.

Here’s the training manual for school shootings:
https://www.tcole.texas.gov/sites/default/files/CourseCMU/Active%20Shooter%20-%20SBLE%202195%20course%20Final%201-30-20.docx

So take all the guns away from honest, law abiding citizens and see if the violence stops.

The mass shooting will stop. They didn’t exist before. Suicide by gun will also drop. Win-win in my book. Men will have to find another way to channel their rage.

Texas college shooting in the 60s. Sure they did. In Oct 1991 in Killeen TX. 24 dead. December 7, 1987, an entire plane was brought down in CA after the gunman killed the pilot and co-pilot, killing all aboard.

That's just two. Three. There are more.

Austin was the home of one of the first horrific mass shootings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

Oh come on now... They "established a perimeter." #Gutsy