2022 US News Best National Universities

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Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

The Columbia-obsessed reject really LOVES bring up Columbia in just about every single thread when no one else did. I thought the conversation was dying down and moved on to about endowments and international reputation when you interjected with yet another biased statement like this. Anyone would be lucky to go to one of the four schools of equal caliber and I wonder whether OP got rejected from all four of them?

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Anonymous wrote:Are the extension students at Harvard taking classes alongside Harvard College students? It’s doubtful many are since 70% of the courses are given online. I think it’s wonderful that Columbia allows 1/3 of its undergraduates to be non traditional students and in classrooms with those brilliant 18 year olds. USNWR rewards them for this as well, by not reporting the huge percentage of students entering without the stellar grades and scores.

Yes, they are. HES students can sit in for the same in-person classes as Harvard College students, as well as online classes. About 1,000 sit in for a ALB degree. Harvard does not report this data, neither does Penn, which awards bachelor degrees to nontraditional students through the School of Liberal and Professional Studies.

I’m sure that the vast majority are taking mostly online classes however. Be it as it may, Columbia brings it to a whole new level. 1/3 of its undergraduates in the SGS!

No, you're wrong. And they get the ALB degree that has been the focal point of complaint by quite a few Harvard students because HES students frequently present themselves as Harvard College grads. Columbia enrolls about 2,000 non-traditional students. So, you're saying that veterans (who compose a large percentage of SGS) who fought and bled for our country don't really deserve to get an Ivy League education? What's wrong with expanding access to an elite education? Aren't universities meant to increase social mobility? I am really at a loss of words.

You’re projecting too much. I never said anything about veterans. I’m saying that Columbia’s ranking is too high because USNWR rewards it for having way too high of a percentage of its transfer students in its undergraduate program. The vast majority of those students would never be admitted as freshman. The data provided by Columbia and distributed by USNWR give it an air of ultra eliteness. Is that really an accurate picture?

Wait ! Can we get you a bucket to catch your vomiting binge ? do you think you are in ancient Rome ? Oh yes, plenty of obnoxious Yalies, some not so swift but connected and otherwise, would get blind drunk and throw up. so impressive... No monopoly on intelligence or stupidity there.

Columbia grad here. Not PP. I can vouch for the undergraduate college (CC) and engineering (SEAS), they are about as "elite" as any Ivy can be. But no, we don't have too high of a percentage of transfer students. At most 5% of the class, and it's very competitive, the acceptance rate is just as low as getting in as freshman. GS-wise, I am not really sure haha. It's in a league of its own, and the campus is quite segregated I would say, because GS people don't live on campus and tend to be much older, so they don't really interact with CC or SEAS students. It used to be exclusively for military folks, but I think now they've included community college transfers... They were never included in the rankings to begin with. I don't even think the school ever reports GS data. It's been doing so for the past 15-20 years, and it's not like GS is some hidden secret from USNWR editors.

Can we stop talking about Columbia. It's a great school, just not HYPSM.

Although I would say that Columbia's undergraduate school may not be as desirable or prestigious as HYPSM, the school overall is better than some of those 5 schools.

With strong humanities, social sciences, and STEM departments, this puts Columbia in the tier of Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, and Berkeley for the arts and sciences. For professional schools, while they are not as good as Harvard and Stanford's, is still the third best overall when including law, medicine, business, international affairs, public health, journalism, etc.

Yale's weakness in STEM, and especially in engineering, is an embarrassment to the school at this point, and their business and med school isn't elite. While Princeton is strong across the arts and sciences, their lack of professional grad schools make it a school that shouldn't be grouped with universities that are elite in virtually all areas. The same argument goes for MIT, which is basically a one-trick pony in STEM (aside from business and some social sciences).

In other words, only two of the HYPSM schools are truly better than Columbia, and they are Harvard and Stanford. Columbia is a better school overall than Yale, Princeton, and MIT. I'm not saying that Columbia is more prestigious than these three schools, but objectively better from an academic standpoint.

A lot of BS to unpack here.
Columbia is NO better than #6. Period. No matter whether ranking just the undergraduate program or the full university.
Yale beats Columbia! No contest!
Columbia does offer a NYC campus which is very desirable to many.
A #6 ranking is great for Columbia. HYPSM are the elite of the elite tier and have been for multiple decades.

The idea that someone thinks Columbia is better overall than Yale Princeton MIT makes me like

Puke**

This small-minded infighting over which of elite schools are no. 1, no. 2, no. 3 etc is hilarious and pathetic at the same time. These micro-rankings are meaningless.

Get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

NP. This has nothing to do with whether Columbia is in the same tier as HYPS.

Even within the HYPS, the distribution of student caliber is quite... wide. Not a Columbia grad, but Princeton is a lot closer to Penn or Columbia than it is to Harvard or Stanford really.

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

Ivy parents rarely criticize other ivies because it’s not unusual see their family members attend different ivies. As an example, when the pandemic hit, it hit Harvard students just as hard as it hit everyone else. Many Harvard interns and graduates whose jobs were rescinded were crowdsourcing internships and jobs from parents of their school. The crowd-sourcing google doc made its way to Columbia parents by way of a Columbia parent who also had a kid at Harvard. Ivy parents might work together - but they don’t bicker over who is number #1. The PP touring Harvard , Yale and bashing Columbia has no ties to any of these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

In fact, Notre Dame is richer and has more resources than Columbia

Or Michigan and Northwestern for that matter. But no one would really turn down Columbia for Michigan, NW, or Notre Dame given the chance. Just like very few would turn down Harvard or Yale for Columbia, unless for financial aid reasons.

And yet in the history of admissions, there have been students who for non-financial reasons have done just what you claim no one ever has or ever will. Mind blown! Yes, there are students who think for themselves and make decisions based on things other than rankings and others’ perceptions. Amazing!

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

In fact, Notre Dame is richer and has more resources than Columbia

Or Michigan and Northwestern for that matter. But no one would really turn down Columbia for Michigan, NW, or Notre Dame given the chance. Just like very few would turn down Harvard or Yale for Columbia, unless for financial aid reasons.

I have absolutely no dog in this fight, but anecdotally, I know quite a couple kids who turned down Columbia for Northwestern. I believe one from DCUM, as well. Several others I know IRL.

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

NP. This has nothing to do with whether Columbia is in the same tier as HYPS.

Even within the HYPS, the distribution of student caliber is quite... wide. Not a Columbia grad, but Princeton is a lot closer to Penn or Columbia than it is to Harvard or Stanford really.

There are quite a few students who get turned down from Princeton but admitted to Harvard, and vice versa.

I think your generalization must be intended either to crap on Princeton (not surprising, since it's retained the #1 US News ranking for the 11th year in a row) or to deflect from some of the criticism of Columbia, which admittedly is over-the-top.

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

Ivy parents rarely criticize other ivies because it’s not unusual see their family members attend different ivies. As an example, when the pandemic hit, it hit Harvard students just as hard as it hit everyone else. Many Harvard interns and graduates whose jobs were rescinded were crowdsourcing internships and jobs from parents of their school. The crowd-sourcing google doc made its way to Columbia parents by way of a Columbia parent who also had a kid at Harvard. Ivy parents might work together - but they don’t bicker over who is number #1. The PP touring Harvard , Yale and bashing Columbia has no ties to any of these schools.

+1. Real ivy parents are better than that. Also they are most likely not unemployed who stay on DCUM 24/7 and ready to take a jab at Columbia whenever wherever they can

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

Ivy parents rarely criticize other ivies because it’s not unusual see their family members attend different ivies. As an example, when the pandemic hit, it hit Harvard students just as hard as it hit everyone else. Many Harvard interns and graduates whose jobs were rescinded were crowdsourcing internships and jobs from parents of their school. The crowd-sourcing google doc made its way to Columbia parents by way of a Columbia parent who also had a kid at Harvard. Ivy parents might work together - but they don’t bicker over who is number #1. The PP touring Harvard , Yale and bashing Columbia has no ties to any of these schools.

+1. Real ivy parents are better than that. Also they are most likely not unemployed who stay on DCUM 24/7 and ready to take a jab at Columbia whenever wherever they can

-1. Everyone who is being honest can agree Columbia is a phenomenal school but not deserving of a #2 ranking. Columbia occupies the tier just below HYPSM.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the extension students at Harvard taking classes alongside Harvard College students? It’s doubtful many are since 70% of the courses are given online. I think it’s wonderful that Columbia allows 1/3 of its undergraduates to be non traditional students and in classrooms with those brilliant 18 year olds. USNWR rewards them for this as well, by not reporting the huge percentage of students entering without the stellar grades and scores.

Yes, they are. HES students can sit in for the same in-person classes as Harvard College students, as well as online classes. About 1,000 sit in for a ALB degree. Harvard does not report this data, neither does Penn, which awards bachelor degrees to nontraditional students through the School of Liberal and Professional Studies.

I’m sure that the vast majority are taking mostly online classes however. Be it as it may, Columbia brings it to a whole new level. 1/3 of its undergraduates in the SGS!

No, you're wrong. And they get the ALB degree that has been the focal point of complaint by quite a few Harvard students because HES students frequently present themselves as Harvard College grads. Columbia enrolls about 2,000 non-traditional students. So, you're saying that veterans (who compose a large percentage of SGS) who fought and bled for our country don't really deserve to get an Ivy League education? What's wrong with expanding access to an elite education? Aren't universities meant to increase social mobility? I am really at a loss of words.

You’re projecting too much. I never said anything about veterans. I’m saying that Columbia’s ranking is too high because USNWR rewards it for having way too high of a percentage of its transfer students in its undergraduate program. The vast majority of those students would never be admitted as freshman. The data provided by Columbia and distributed by USNWR give it an air of ultra eliteness. Is that really an accurate picture?

Columbia grad here. Not PP. I can vouch for the undergraduate college (CC) and engineering (SEAS), they are about as "elite" as any Ivy can be. But no, we don't have too high of a percentage of transfer students. At most 5% of the class, and it's very competitive, the acceptance rate is just as low as getting in as freshman. GS-wise, I am not really sure haha. It's in a league of its own, and the campus is quite segregated I would say, because GS people don't live on campus and tend to be much older, so they don't really interact with CC or SEAS students. It used to be exclusively for military folks, but I think now they've included community college transfers... They were never included in the rankings to begin with. I don't even think the school ever reports GS data. It's been doing so for the past 15-20 years, and it's not like GS is some hidden secret from USNWR editors.

Can we stop talking about Columbia. It's a great school, just not HYPSM.

Although I would say that Columbia's undergraduate school may not be as desirable or prestigious as HYPSM, the school overall is better than some of those 5 schools.

With strong humanities, social sciences, and STEM departments, this puts Columbia in the tier of Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, and Berkeley for the arts and sciences. For professional schools, while they are not as good as Harvard and Stanford's, is still the third best overall when including law, medicine, business, international affairs, public health, journalism, etc.

Yale's weakness in STEM, and especially in engineering, is an embarrassment to the school at this point, and their business and med school isn't elite. While Princeton is strong across the arts and sciences, their lack of professional grad schools make it a school that shouldn't be grouped with universities that are elite in virtually all areas. The same argument goes for MIT, which is basically a one-trick pony in STEM (aside from business and some social sciences).

In other words, only two of the HYPSM schools are truly better than Columbia, and they are Harvard and Stanford. Columbia is a better school overall than Yale, Princeton, and MIT. I'm not saying that Columbia is more prestigious than these three schools, but objectively better from an academic standpoint.

A lot of BS to unpack here.
Columbia is NO better than #6. Period. No matter whether ranking just the undergraduate program or the full university.
Yale beats Columbia! No contest!
Columbia does offer a NYC campus which is very desirable to many.
A #6 ranking is great for Columbia. HYPSM are the elite of the elite tier and have been for multiple decades.

The idea that someone thinks Columbia is better overall than Yale Princeton MIT makes me like

Yale had some real weirdos there. Misfits who I saw. some had chips on their shoulder for whatever reason. Not nice. Also, some dopes like the-you-know-whoooses...

Beautiful campus, but not always the best students fully in each entering class.

Real ignorance on display with your observation that Yale's student body is comprised of weirdos, misfits, and dopes.

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

You are displaying stupidity and ignorance with your assessment of the Yale student body as losers and vomiting drunken idiots. Please stop. By the way I did not post the puking post.

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

In fact, Notre Dame is richer and has more resources than Columbia

Or Michigan and Northwestern for that matter. But no one would really turn down Columbia for Michigan, NW, or Notre Dame given the chance. Just like very few would turn down Harvard or Yale for Columbia, unless for financial aid reasons.

I have absolutely no dog in this fight, but anecdotally, I know quite a couple kids who turned down Columbia for Northwestern. I believe one from DCUM, as well. Several others I know IRL.

We also had a kid who got into both Columbia and NWU for engineering, and chose NWU.

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

We should call Columbia the poor ivy

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

Ivy parents rarely criticize other ivies because it’s not unusual see their family members attend different ivies. As an example, when the pandemic hit, it hit Harvard students just as hard as it hit everyone else. Many Harvard interns and graduates whose jobs were rescinded were crowdsourcing internships and jobs from parents of their school. The crowd-sourcing google doc made its way to Columbia parents by way of a Columbia parent who also had a kid at Harvard. Ivy parents might work together - but they don’t bicker over who is number #1. The PP touring Harvard , Yale and bashing Columbia has no ties to any of these schools.

+1. Real ivy parents are better than that. Also they are most likely not unemployed who stay on DCUM 24/7 and ready to take a jab at Columbia whenever wherever they can

-1. Everyone who is being honest can agree Columbia is a phenomenal school but not deserving of a #2 ranking. Columbia occupies the tier just below HYPSM.

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

Ivy parents rarely criticize other ivies because it’s not unusual see their family members attend different ivies. As an example, when the pandemic hit, it hit Harvard students just as hard as it hit everyone else. Many Harvard interns and graduates whose jobs were rescinded were crowdsourcing internships and jobs from parents of their school. The crowd-sourcing google doc made its way to Columbia parents by way of a Columbia parent who also had a kid at Harvard. Ivy parents might work together - but they don’t bicker over who is number #1. The PP touring Harvard , Yale and bashing Columbia has no ties to any of these schools.

+1. Real ivy parents are better than that. Also they are most likely not unemployed who stay on DCUM 24/7 and ready to take a jab at Columbia whenever wherever they can

-1. Everyone who is being honest can agree Columbia is a phenomenal school but not deserving of a #2 ranking. Columbia occupies the tier just below HYPSM.

Except Columbia would have a tier of its own. Chicago and Penn aren’t as selective nor academically elite as Columbia.