New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:114 teams in GA and 700 commits is about 6 kids per team. That means that over 40% of the starting lineup from these clubs is not getting recruited on average. Not a great number and only 33% of an 18 player roster going to college to play. Think it safe to say that ECNL teams are sending more than 6 kids per team. 351 division 1 college programs for women. Lets be conservative and say the average recruiting class is 5 freshman that is 1755 players so think it is safe to say that the ecnl is probably sending more kids to D1 schools than the GA is sending players in total to all 4 divisions of college soccer.

You're moving the goalposts in different ways at the same time. Try to keep them on the same field.

From everything you wrote i was able to decipher that GA is 6 on average per team that play on college and ECNL is something else but you cant define it because ECNL doesnt post commitment numbers.

Nobody moved the goal posts. Don’t need an exact number from the ecnl to show how little an impact of 700 players is on a collegiate system that has ~20,000 at just the division 1 and division 3 levels alone. If you want to add D2 and NAIA that number goes to ~35000. Happy for those GA players but that is a drop in the bucket.

I would venture to say that the RL league sends comparable number of players to college as the GA. Last stat I saw was that 6 out of 10 players on D1 rosters were ECNL players but that was from 2022. Cannot imagine that number is much different today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:114 teams in GA and 700 commits is about 6 kids per team. That means that over 40% of the starting lineup from these clubs is not getting recruited on average. Not a great number and only 33% of an 18 player roster going to college to play. Think it safe to say that ECNL teams are sending more than 6 kids per team. 351 division 1 college programs for women. Lets be conservative and say the average recruiting class is 5 freshman that is 1755 players so think it is safe to say that the ecnl is probably sending more kids to D1 schools than the GA is sending players in total to all 4 divisions of college soccer.

You're moving the goalposts in different ways at the same time. Try to keep them on the same field.

From everything you wrote i was able to decipher that GA is 6 on average per team that play on college and ECNL is something else but you cant define it because ECNL doesnt post commitment numbers.

No one doubts that some GA players get college commitments or even that the number of GA commits have increased year-to-year. But the GA promoters on this thread are asserting that GA is as good as ECNL for college commitments or will soon surpass ECNL. The 700 number taken by itself just completely fails to support these more extravagant claims.

The trend may be positive but there is no guarantee it will continue. I for one would like two comparable leagues competing. But it’s not credible for GA fans to assert without evidence that GA is doing better against the backdrop of everyone knowing ECNL has done better historically. GA fans trying to deny that just look like they are in denial. And if they are in denial they won’t press the league to take the steps necessary to actually draw even. Maybe hydraulic pressure from the boys side chasing MLSN will get you there. But serious people who want GA to be competitive need to recognize that they are starting behind and try to figure out what ECNL is doing better.

If only ECNL would post their commitment numbers you could backup your vague statements. But they dont so you cant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some things never change.

With my oldest I remember back in the DA days when they would say the same type of things to ECNL parents. Now it seems like ECNL has gained some ground and is doing it to GA parents.

The GA parents are right to push back on the ECNL parents overstatements of its grandeur. I dont know why some of them do this. They just end up looking dumb when called out.

gained "some" ground. bless your heart.. is that what you call it?

[Anonymous]

here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

That's a writeup on D1 only.

Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

Just another example of iamsoccer cherry picking their completely Anonymous count of what they've found trolling insta + X.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

That's a writeup on D1 only.

Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

Just another example of iamsoccer cherry picking their completely Anonymous count of what they've found trolling insta + X.

I see a lot of complaints about this data, but no one arguing in favor of GA's performance provides any hard data or actual evidence that the data is wrong or that GA is outperforming ECNL. Where is the counter evidence to support the claims that this is cherry picked or missing important GA successes?

Just by basic math, there are 347 D1 women's soccer teams, c. 8300 players, or 2000+ slots a year in D1 alone. With that perspective, the only data offered in support of GA's performance--700 commits in one year across all divisions--is not very compelling. GA folks are arguing that there has been a regime change. The burden is on them to show it with actual evidence, not just complain about other evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:idk. my dd has been to numerous YNT camps (over a dozen). she's already at an ACC school.

back when she started being called up, the players would ask the asst coaches there (college coaches are often brought in during the college off-season to help) what do they choose if they have an ecnl event at the same time as a GA event. the coaches that have been asked unanimously have answered "ecnl". not even close.

are there good players and good teams in the GA? sure. but ecnl is just better. my dd's team never lost to a GA team when they had the opportunity to play (socal area). usually her team would crush GA competition. i can't remember a close game (unless they played up...but they still won).

Thanks for the portal into how things used to be several years ago.

Its not like this now.

This was a recently as two years ago. And I don't think the GA has gotten any stronger in that time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:idk. my dd has been to numerous YNT camps (over a dozen). she's already at an ACC school.

back when she started being called up, the players would ask the asst coaches there (college coaches are often brought in during the college off-season to help) what do they choose if they have an ecnl event at the same time as a GA event. the coaches that have been asked unanimously have answered "ecnl". not even close.

are there good players and good teams in the GA? sure. but ecnl is just better. my dd's team never lost to a GA team when they had the opportunity to play (socal area). usually her team would crush GA competition. i can't remember a close game (unless they played up...but they still won).

Thanks for the portal into how things used to be several years ago.

Its not like this now.

This was a recently as two years ago. And I don't think the GA has gotten any stronger in that time.

Number of college commits has gone up every year and GA posts the numbers on their site. (Unlike ECNL who does not. Wonder why?) Seems like the definition of getting stronger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

That's a writeup on D1 only.

Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

Just another example of iamsoccer cherry picking their completely Anonymous count of what they've found trolling insta + X.

I see a lot of complaints about this data, but no one arguing in favor of GA's performance provides any hard data or actual evidence that the data is wrong or that GA is outperforming ECNL. Where is the counter evidence to support the claims that this is cherry picked or missing important GA successes?

Just by basic math, there are 347 D1 women's soccer teams, c. 8300 players, or 2000+ slots a year in D1 alone. With that perspective, the only data offered in support of GA's performance--700 commits in one year across all divisions--is not very compelling. GA folks are arguing that there has been a regime change. The burden is on them to show it with actual evidence, not just complain about other evidence.

Again, theres Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

GAs "burden" is to show the number of commitrments every year. Which they provide. (ECNL does not. Wonder why?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

That's a writeup on D1 only.

Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

Just another example of iamsoccer cherry picking their completely Anonymous count of what they've found trolling insta + X.

I see a lot of complaints about this data, but no one arguing in favor of GA's performance provides any hard data or actual evidence that the data is wrong or that GA is outperforming ECNL. Where is the counter evidence to support the claims that this is cherry picked or missing important GA successes?

Just by basic math, there are 347 D1 women's soccer teams, c. 8300 players, or 2000+ slots a year in D1 alone. With that perspective, the only data offered in support of GA's performance--700 commits in one year across all divisions--is not very compelling. GA folks are arguing that there has been a regime change. The burden is on them to show it with actual evidence, not just complain about other evidence.

Again, theres Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

GAs "burden" is to show the number of commitrments every year. Which they provide. (ECNL does not. Wonder why?)

And many of the GAs 700 aren't D1, so it's even less compelling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

That's a writeup on D1 only.

Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

Just another example of iamsoccer cherry picking their completely Anonymous count of what they've found trolling insta + X.

I see a lot of complaints about this data, but no one arguing in favor of GA's performance provides any hard data or actual evidence that the data is wrong or that GA is outperforming ECNL. Where is the counter evidence to support the claims that this is cherry picked or missing important GA successes?

Just by basic math, there are 347 D1 women's soccer teams, c. 8300 players, or 2000+ slots a year in D1 alone. With that perspective, the only data offered in support of GA's performance--700 commits in one year across all divisions--is not very compelling. GA folks are arguing that there has been a regime change. The burden is on them to show it with actual evidence, not just complain about other evidence.

Again, theres Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

GAs "burden" is to show the number of commitrments every year. Which they provide. (ECNL does not. Wonder why?)

And many of the GAs 700 aren't D1, so it's even less compelling.

But many are which probably makes you big mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

That's a writeup on D1 only.

Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

Just another example of iamsoccer cherry picking their completely Anonymous count of what they've found trolling insta + X.

I see a lot of complaints about this data, but no one arguing in favor of GA's performance provides any hard data or actual evidence that the data is wrong or that GA is outperforming ECNL. Where is the counter evidence to support the claims that this is cherry picked or missing important GA successes?

Just by basic math, there are 347 D1 women's soccer teams, c. 8300 players, or 2000+ slots a year in D1 alone. With that perspective, the only data offered in support of GA's performance--700 commits in one year across all divisions--is not very compelling. GA folks are arguing that there has been a regime change. The burden is on them to show it with actual evidence, not just complain about other evidence.

Again, theres Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

GAs "burden" is to show the number of commitrments every year. Which they provide. (ECNL does not. Wonder why?)

And many of the GAs 700 aren't D1, so it's even less compelling.

But many are which probably makes you big mad.

not really. 80% of GA D1 go to mostly the top 15 teams. everyone else is begging for NAIA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

That's a writeup on D1 only.

Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

Just another example of iamsoccer cherry picking their completely Anonymous count of what they've found trolling insta + X.

I see a lot of complaints about this data, but no one arguing in favor of GA's performance provides any hard data or actual evidence that the data is wrong or that GA is outperforming ECNL. Where is the counter evidence to support the claims that this is cherry picked or missing important GA successes?

Just by basic math, there are 347 D1 women's soccer teams, c. 8300 players, or 2000+ slots a year in D1 alone. With that perspective, the only data offered in support of GA's performance--700 commits in one year across all divisions--is not very compelling. GA folks are arguing that there has been a regime change. The burden is on them to show it with actual evidence, not just complain about other evidence.

Again, theres Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

GAs "burden" is to show the number of commitrments every year. Which they provide. (ECNL does not. Wonder why?)

And many of the GAs 700 aren't D1, so it's even less compelling.

But many are which probably makes you big mad.

not really. 80% of GA D1 go to mostly the top 15 teams. everyone else is begging for NAIA

Hahaha not true but keep trying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

That's a writeup on D1 only.

Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

Just another example of iamsoccer cherry picking their completely Anonymous count of what they've found trolling insta + X.

I see a lot of complaints about this data, but no one arguing in favor of GA's performance provides any hard data or actual evidence that the data is wrong or that GA is outperforming ECNL. Where is the counter evidence to support the claims that this is cherry picked or missing important GA successes?

Just by basic math, there are 347 D1 women's soccer teams, c. 8300 players, or 2000+ slots a year in D1 alone. With that perspective, the only data offered in support of GA's performance--700 commits in one year across all divisions--is not very compelling. GA folks are arguing that there has been a regime change. The burden is on them to show it with actual evidence, not just complain about other evidence.

Again, theres Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

GAs "burden" is to show the number of commitrments every year. Which they provide. (ECNL does not. Wonder why?)

GA shows the commits every year bc they are trying to make an argument and think they have something to prove. ECNL doesn’t think it has anything to prove. Maybe if GA becomes more of a threat than it has so far, it will. Right now the primary thing going for GA is pressure from the boys side, not anything inherent in what GA is offering except freedom to go MLSN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a good write up

https://x.com/ImYouthSoccer/status/1934993185220030560/photo/1

That's a writeup on D1 only.

Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

Just another example of iamsoccer cherry picking their completely Anonymous count of what they've found trolling insta + X.

I see a lot of complaints about this data, but no one arguing in favor of GA's performance provides any hard data or actual evidence that the data is wrong or that GA is outperforming ECNL. Where is the counter evidence to support the claims that this is cherry picked or missing important GA successes?

Just by basic math, there are 347 D1 women's soccer teams, c. 8300 players, or 2000+ slots a year in D1 alone. With that perspective, the only data offered in support of GA's performance--700 commits in one year across all divisions--is not very compelling. GA folks are arguing that there has been a regime change. The burden is on them to show it with actual evidence, not just complain about other evidence.

Again, theres Theres DII, DIII, NAIA, and NJCAA.

GAs "burden" is to show the number of commitrments every year. Which they provide. (ECNL does not. Wonder why?)

GA shows the commits every year bc they are trying to make an argument and think they have something to prove. ECNL doesn’t think it has anything to prove. Maybe if GA becomes more of a threat than it has so far, it will. Right now the primary thing going for GA is pressure from the boys side, not anything inherent in what GA is offering except freedom to go MLSN.

That's like saying "we're so good that we dont need to keep score". Sorry doesn't make sense. Hiding information isnt a good look.