Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

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He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

I think at least half of our society is now mentally ill to some extent. How about we try to figure out how to help these individuals? We’ve become such a nasty society, people are so mean to one another, more than ever it seems. No wonder everyone is mentally ill, a person can only handle so much in life. We need to support one another. Why are we so damn mean?

Social Media and loneliness. People are getting detached from humanity.

People aren't just getting detached from humanity - they are seeing those with whom they disagree as non-human, unworthy of listening to, unworthy of respect, and in extreme cases unworthy of living.

For those of you who think that Charlie Kirk "lived by the sword, died by the sword" or some other BS like that, I challenge you to live up to what Voltaire allegedly said: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

But you won't.

The 2 concepts are not mutually exclusive.

But they are, and you just proved my point. There is a line and your failure to condemn the act is cowardly.

I condemn the killing.

Also when you get people worked up, it could stand to reason that you become a target.

There.

So blame the victim. Got it. Would you say the same thing about a woman who wore revealing clothing? Or someone wearing jewelry in public? Or some woman just sitting on a train reading her phone?

Condemning the killing is where you should have stopped.

You are moving the goal posts. And no, speech that is designed to provoke reactions and targeting certain groups and oppress others is not the same as wearing revealing clothes. Additionally, in the public square, those who seek to lead and inspire should use words that do just that. He was making society more dangerous not just for himself but others as well. This is not blaming the victim directly, but he did contribute to the dangerous political environment that we are in right now. This is not black and white and shouldn't be gotcha. It is nuance, but it is important nuance.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a bunch of gross, self absorbed bullies in the US. That’s why this is happening. We can’t give others the time of day, it’s all about me, me, me, gluttonous selfish pigs we have become.

That's a good start, but it's not just the U.S. The same behavior can be found all over the world.

The rest of the world doesn’t have quite the volume and diversity we have here along with gun worship and a lack of resources. We’ve become an all you can eat buffet where everyone is only out for themselves. Stepping over others as long as our needs and wants are met. Are we actually surprised that people are mentally broken? And I am talking ALL people.

With limited resources and money, I almost see America getting increasingly more tribal and trying to protect their own group.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a bunch of gross, self absorbed bullies in the US. That’s why this is happening. We can’t give others the time of day, it’s all about me, me, me, gluttonous selfish pigs we have become.

That's a good start, but it's not just the U.S. The same behavior can be found all over the world.

The rest of the world doesn’t have quite the volume and diversity we have here along with gun worship and a lack of resources. We’ve become an all you can eat buffet where everyone is only out for themselves. Stepping over others as long as our needs and wants are met. Are we actually surprised that people are mentally broken? And I am talking ALL people.

It sounds like what you are really trying to do is argue that individualism has made American society selfish and violent, and that a collectivist or socialist approach would be healthier. The problem is you are not actually making that argument in a logical way. Calling Americans “gross, self absorbed bullies” or “gluttonous selfish pigs” is just a sweeping condemnation, not an explanation. It overgeneralizes and substitutes moral outrage for reasoning. If your point is that individualism leads to social isolation and violence while collectivism could address those issues, then you would need to show that connection with evidence and clear reasoning. Right now what you have is venting, which may express your frustration but it does not establish a cause-and-effect link or make a persuasive case for collectivism.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

The words they've memorized for name-calling are fascist, Nazi, MAGA, racist, misogynistic, and homophobic. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

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He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

I think at least half of our society is now mentally ill to some extent. How about we try to figure out how to help these individuals? We’ve become such a nasty society, people are so mean to one another, more than ever it seems. No wonder everyone is mentally ill, a person can only handle so much in life. We need to support one another. Why are we so damn mean?

Social Media and loneliness. People are getting detached from humanity.

People aren't just getting detached from humanity - they are seeing those with whom they disagree as non-human, unworthy of listening to, unworthy of respect, and in extreme cases unworthy of living.

For those of you who think that Charlie Kirk "lived by the sword, died by the sword" or some other BS like that, I challenge you to live up to what Voltaire allegedly said: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

But you won't.

The 2 concepts are not mutually exclusive.

But they are, and you just proved my point. There is a line and your failure to condemn the act is cowardly.

I condemn the killing.

Also when you get people worked up, it could stand to reason that you become a target.

There.

So blame the victim. Got it. Would you say the same thing about a woman who wore revealing clothing? Or someone wearing jewelry in public? Or some woman just sitting on a train reading her phone?

Condemning the killing is where you should have stopped.

DP. You are refusing to understand. Typical MAGA.

So you call people MAGA if they disagree. No wonder you blame the victim.

You did not know this about DCUM?

Anyone who agrees with anyone over anything around here is instantly labeled “MAGA!”

Guess calling everyone “troll” got old.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a bunch of gross, self absorbed bullies in the US. That’s why this is happening. We can’t give others the time of day, it’s all about me, me, me, gluttonous selfish pigs we have become.

That's a good start, but it's not just the U.S. The same behavior can be found all over the world.

The rest of the world doesn’t have quite the volume and diversity we have here along with gun worship and a lack of resources. We’ve become an all you can eat buffet where everyone is only out for themselves. Stepping over others as long as our needs and wants are met. Are we actually surprised that people are mentally broken? And I am talking ALL people.

With limited resources and money, I almost see America getting increasingly more tribal and trying to protect their own group.

It’s happening, been happening for decades now. These murderers weren’t all born mentally ill. Mental illness can sometimes be brought on by stress and trauma, both of which most kids face growing up today, particularly with social media. Some people are more prone to mental illness. Maybe we need to be kinder to people, really. We need to reach out to people who seem to need a friend, kids and adults. Let’s follow the golden rule.

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

This is so outdated.

the right/billionares/oligarchs control news platforms, social media platforms and the intelligence community. Are you serious with this?

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a bunch of gross, self absorbed bullies in the US. That’s why this is happening. We can’t give others the time of day, it’s all about me, me, me, gluttonous selfish pigs we have become.

That's a good start, but it's not just the U.S. The same behavior can be found all over the world.

The rest of the world doesn’t have quite the volume and diversity we have here along with gun worship and a lack of resources. We’ve become an all you can eat buffet where everyone is only out for themselves. Stepping over others as long as our needs and wants are met. Are we actually surprised that people are mentally broken? And I am talking ALL people.

With limited resources and money, I almost see America getting increasingly more tribal and trying to protect their own group.

It’s happening, been happening for decades now. These murderers weren’t all born mentally ill. Mental illness can sometimes be brought on by stress and trauma, both of which most kids face growing up today, particularly with social media. Some people are more prone to mental illness. Maybe we need to be kinder to people, really. We need to reach out to people who seem to need a friend, kids and adults. Let’s follow the golden rule.

And they did not all become mentally ill.

I don't know what being kinder to people (that phrasing) is conveying.

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

This is so outdated.

the right/billionares/oligarchs control news platforms, social media platforms and the intelligence community. Are you serious with this?

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Have you seen CNN over the past few days?

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a bunch of gross, self absorbed bullies in the US. That’s why this is happening. We can’t give others the time of day, it’s all about me, me, me, gluttonous selfish pigs we have become.

That's a good start, but it's not just the U.S. The same behavior can be found all over the world.

The rest of the world doesn’t have quite the volume and diversity we have here along with gun worship and a lack of resources. We’ve become an all you can eat buffet where everyone is only out for themselves. Stepping over others as long as our needs and wants are met. Are we actually surprised that people are mentally broken? And I am talking ALL people.

With limited resources and money, I almost see America getting increasingly more tribal and trying to protect their own group.

Increasingly falling for the divide and conquer tactics of our two major political parties is what we've been doing. We all need to stop being so gullible.

So what party should we go to now? Bernie's?

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a bunch of gross, self absorbed bullies in the US. That’s why this is happening. We can’t give others the time of day, it’s all about me, me, me, gluttonous selfish pigs we have become.

That's a good start, but it's not just the U.S. The same behavior can be found all over the world.

The rest of the world doesn’t have quite the volume and diversity we have here along with gun worship and a lack of resources. We’ve become an all you can eat buffet where everyone is only out for themselves. Stepping over others as long as our needs and wants are met. Are we actually surprised that people are mentally broken? And I am talking ALL people.

It sounds like what you are really trying to do is argue that individualism has made American society selfish and violent, and that a collectivist or socialist approach would be healthier. The problem is you are not actually making that argument in a logical way. Calling Americans “gross, self absorbed bullies” or “gluttonous selfish pigs” is just a sweeping condemnation, not an explanation. It overgeneralizes and substitutes moral outrage for reasoning. If your point is that individualism leads to social isolation and violence while collectivism could address those issues, then you would need to show that connection with evidence and clear reasoning. Right now what you have is venting, which may express your frustration but it does not establish a cause-and-effect link or make a persuasive case for collectivism.

We know that individualism leads to isolation and violence, is this not obvious? Maybe a happy medium would suffice, why does everything have to be so extreme? We need to start with young children, schools and parents need to be proactive in facilitating relationships and connections for kids. We need to teach proper social skills and etiquette at young ages continuing into adulthood. We seem to be missing the ‘empathy’ or compassion gene. Kids are growing up on social media now, missing critical emotional developmental stages. This is disastrous.

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Anonymous wrote:What we know about Robinson
At the press conference, Cox said Robinson had become "more political in recent years."

Robinson mentioned during a dinner conversation with a family member that Kirk would be visiting Utah Valley University, according to Cox. Robinson and the family members discussed why they didn't like Kirk and his viewpoints, and the family member stated Kirk was "full of hate and spreading hate," Cox said.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359

If the suspect was a MAGA, why did he think Kirk was spreading hate?

Perhaps because he was indeed spreading hate?

I have family members who are MAGA. They do indeed have a moral compass and are against the spreading of hate.

From the guardian Suspect's high school classmate says Robinson was the only 'leftist' in a family of 'very hard' Republicans
Anna Betts

In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.

The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.

When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”

The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.

Oh wow. A former high school classmate that hasn't seen him for years. Case cracked wide open.

So what evidence has the news reported other than this that you have read? Post the link.

Absolutely hilarious that MAGAs are trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

Absolutely hilarious democrats aren’t trusting an anonymous source in the Guardian.

They trust every anonymous source otherwise.

Democrats do not trust every anonymous source.

The source--if a liar trying to shape narrative--would indeed go to a left leaning paper to establish credibility

You think someone called the Guardian and said they knew the shooter and the Guardian didn’t make sure the source was legitimate?

All they could make sure of, in this quick turnaround moment, is that the person went to the same high school as the shooter. How on earth could the Guardian make sure that the classmate is still in touch with Tyler, or even was telling the truth about his political leanings? That's not verifiable information.

So why do you trust anonymous sources about Trump?

Bingo. These twits trust and promote any anonymous source who has something negative to say about Trump et al. They are hypocrites of the highest order.

and yet, MAGA's ignore the non-anonymous stories and books by named former Trump officials like chiefs of staff and cabinet secretaries who assert trump is a danger to the country

And MAGAs constantly take some complete rando or anonymous troll post and dishonestly portray it as "see, the libs are celebrating Kirk's death" and so on, INSISTING this is fact despite the reality that any Democrat who matters strongly condemned the shooting.

There is absolutely nothing in MAGA talking points on this message board being done in good faith.

And LWNJs don't do EXACTLY the same thing?? Please, spare us.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

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He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

He's a human who shot another human being in cold blood. He's mentally ill. If you disagree with this, you need to crawl back under your rock to stop embarrassing yourself.

Non mentally ill people kill all of the time. The definition of mental illness is not "committing the act of murder"

Yes, cops and soldiers kill people intentionally all the time. When someone pulls the trigger to murder another human being who is defenseless, unknowing, and not on the battle field during a declared war is mentally ill at the time they pull the trigger. All mentally ill people aren't cold blooded murderers but all cold blooded murderers are mentally ill. I can't imagine there being anyone on this forum with an IQ so low that they aren't able to comprehend the concept of mentally ill. Who is even dumb enough to try to make an argument against a cold blooded murderer being mentally ill?

This is not true according to law and science.

DP. Sincerely asking, how is that so. I think the question of mental illness in general is different than the standard in law of mental incompetence. Wouldn't you think someone who is convinced it is okay to murder another person in any circumstance that is not clearly self-defense could be considered sociopathic?

The mental illness spectrum as relates to criminality is complex, and it is polluted by our Puritan roots and longstanding preference for vengeance over mercy which prevents us to this day from acknowledging fully the neuroscience and psychiatry that explains most of the aberrant behavior we prosecute and incarcerate.

Sociopaths and psychopaths (of a kind, or not, depending on one's opinion) are fully aware of right and wrong - they just don't care, they want what they want. They are born with this disposition, this brain peculiarity that has genetic markers - and depending on the settings in which they emotionally and socially develop, they can become truly dangerous people or they can become CEOs and other high achieving humans - or like the guy who wrote the book about psychopathy in neuroscience, James Fallon.

Certain mental illnesses like bipolar, schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, post partum depression can manifest into states of psychosis wherein the sufferer truly doesn't know right from wrong or is incapable of resisting the compulsion to act in ways that violate the law. Back in the 60s/70s we were more accepting of this reality and gave hospital sentences and/or shorter carceral sentences but we have since backlashed wherein most even seriously mentally ill people who were probably psychotic at the time of the criminal acts are getting sent away for a very long time or life, not to hospitals but to prisons.

Add to the mix the personality disorders - incredibly difficult to treat, if you can even get the sufferer to acknowledge there's a problem. Capable in some cases of profound criminality, even on a massive scale. In the criminal justice world we call the narcissist who would make his family's life miserable a malignant narcissist (not a DSM term, a criminal one) because they victimize people on a far larger scale. Think Dirty John. Or think most of the strong man dictators you've read about or can see with your own eyes in the news every day from the worst places on the world stage. Typically these personality disorders are formed from traumatic childhood events or exposures to long term abuse. Do we mitigate our punishments knowing at some level the perpetrator is a victim of a brain defect over which they had no control?

To the extent that preserving life is a species instinct at the individual level, we think murder must always mean mental illness. But if the brain is formed differently, what is murder to you might look like self preservation - or the pursuit of happiness - to someone else.

A 22 year old's brain is not fully cooked. It is a very vulnerable age for the development of serious mental illness. Add to the mix the truly abhorrent toxic stew of the cancer social media and you have a recipe for disaster, as we keep seeing over and over and over and we are doing nothing of any real substance to save these obviously deranged young men who have been poisoned by what we allow Big Tech to expose them to. Yeah yeah yeah free speech blah blah blah - I sure hope they don't pursue the death penalty, it would be an exceedingly un-Christian thing to do and considering the victim and the location of the crime, the default should be mercy and an opportunity for redemption by spending natural life in prison.

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Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Tyler Robinson’s Grandmother spoke with TheDailyMail, stating the family is “All MAGA” and “not a single Democrat”.

- TheDailyBeast

Tyler Robinson Spoke with Family About Charlie Kirk Before Assassination, Says Governor

Cox relayed the account of a family member, who said that during a family dinner prior to the shooting, Robinson had mentioned that Kirk was coming to Utah Valley University.

"They talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had,” the governor said, adding that the suspect said that "Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate."
https://people.com/tyler-robinson-had-talked-to-family-about-charlie-kirk-before-assassination-says-governor-11808767

Does Granny know that Tyler and another family member were discussing Kirk and their dislike for Kirk at a family dinner? And how a family member is quoted as saying Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate?

He was a disturbed young person poisoned by our current toxic political landscape. What granny says or what you and I think doesn't change that fact.

so granny is an unreliable source?

It’s hilarious how dcum liberals will twist themselves into pretzels trying to defend their position or further their fake narratives.

One minute, granny is being quoted by the Daily Beast. The next, her words are unworthy of any weight.

Uhhhh…Granny said that the whole family was MAGA, which would support the “liberal” narrative. Can you people not read?

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a bunch of gross, self absorbed bullies in the US. That’s why this is happening. We can’t give others the time of day, it’s all about me, me, me, gluttonous selfish pigs we have become.

That's a good start, but it's not just the U.S. The same behavior can be found all over the world.

The rest of the world doesn’t have quite the volume and diversity we have here along with gun worship and a lack of resources. We’ve become an all you can eat buffet where everyone is only out for themselves. Stepping over others as long as our needs and wants are met. Are we actually surprised that people are mentally broken? And I am talking ALL people.

With limited resources and money, I almost see America getting increasingly more tribal and trying to protect their own group.

Increasingly falling for the divide and conquer tactics of our two major political parties is what we've been doing. We all need to stop being so gullible.

So what party should we go to now? Bernie's?

Go where you please but just always remember these important facts:

Our political parties are PRIVATE entities run by people that care way more about fund raising and pleasing their wealthy financiers than they care about you and the needs of everyday Americans.

Our political parties have well crafted agendas to divide the American people to the extent of hate for the other side. Hate brings in more money to fight the evil other side and hate for the evil other side leads to blind loyalty. Sometimes this manufactured hate leads to murder as we've seen recently but 99% of the time it just leads to more funds raised and more sheep closing their eyes and voting as they are told.

Go where you please but don't fall for the hate traps. Don't be a sheep.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

Curious as to why no one is listening to his father, who made it quite clear that he has swung politically to the left?

No one had to assume what is father is saying is true

So instead there are over 150 pages of speculation that are to be believed? His father knew him better than anyone on this forum. His father's words were backed up by others. It's not rocket science here.

Why are you so emotionally invested in him being a leftist? You really need this to be true, why?

I'm simply wondering why all the speculation when his father has told what was going on lately in the family. Why the need to speculate?

Because the father is only one witness of many potential witnesses, and two, he may be lying.

His son confessed to him and he helped talk him into turning himself in. Why lie? There were other witnesses at the dinner table, one stating that the shooter hated Charlie and was generally, full of hate.

He said he had gotten more political. Not more liberal.