student admissions and TJ lawsuit
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Anonymous
Asians oppose all forms of discrimination - AA, athletic recruits, legacy, special list etc. Asians do not benefit from any of those. |
Anonymous
White women are the group that has most benefited from affirmative action. |
Anonymous
A much higher percentage than you seem to think. I don't fault you for not being aware of the challenges that these families face, but don't pretend like you are. |
Anonymous
Yep - and for once, the Class of 2025 had numbers of acceptances that tracked well with percentages of applicants. Go figure. |
Anonymous
This is important. There is an undercurrent at TJ of parents who have no future potential TJ applicants but who are displeased with the admissions changes because part of the appeal of TJ was that their students would not have to attend a school with Black kids and would therefore "be safe". |
Anonymous
No, and this is a horrendously racist trope that is directed at Black people. Go away, you're gross. |
Anonymous
Back up your claim with numbers if you believe that a significant portion of families in FCPS in 2022 do not have access to internet. In addition, please explain why you believe these families are worrying, thinking, or even aware of TJs existence, and how TJ would serve them with respect to the problems they have to deal with in their life. |
Anonymous
1) You have to actually set foot in these schools to have any idea of what these kids experience. FCPS doesn't publish numbers of kids who don't have internet access, but when you are on the ground, you become aware of their existence and commonality. 2) They shouldn't have to be "worrying about TJ" in order for their kids to have access to TJ if they're capable of handling it. And as unfortunate as it is, there's a MUCH bigger delta between the educational experiences and opportunities at say, Mount Vernon and TJ versus the experiences at Langley and TJ. That should go without saying. |
Anonymous
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/sites/demographics/files/assets/vizpdf/internet%20access%202015.pdf There you go. White and Asian families in Fairfax County each report 94% internet access, and Black and Hispanic families each report 86%. You can see from the graphic that there are geographic deltas as well. It's instructive also to look at the difference in median income between households with and without internet access. |
Anonymous
1) Asians will benefit from legacy admissions within the next 5-10 years. 2) Colleges (and therefore the Asian students who attend those colleges) benefit from all of those things. Legacy admits tend to result in donations that result in upgraded facilities - which sometimes increases the capacity of schools. Athletic success also leads to increased donations, not just to athletics but to general funds as well. Affirmative action, such as it is, results in broad increases in applications, which results in stronger selectivity numbers, which results in higher rankings and prestige. 3) You do not speak for all Asians any more than I speak for all South Asians. |
Anonymous
So without any data you're implying that poverty rate is synonymous with internet access based on your above anecdote. Let's say that's true, that's almost 5.5% in FCPS. Nobody is disputing the huge resource gaps between TJ and Mt Vernon, or really any other school here, including even Langley. How many kids from let's say Mt Vernon do you believe could actually be successful at TJ (by that I mean graduating with good grades)? I don't believe the numbers are very significant. I completely agree that those few kids should be given every opportunity to not only apply to TJ, but also to prepare for the rigor starting in elementary school. That's a resource problem right there. FCPS should be identifying and providing/supporting those kids from elementary by all possible means. But they're not doing that. The main issue here is that TJ is slowly being racially 'reformed' to significantly lower the admission bar in the hope that more underrepresented minorities will take part without regard for whether the applicants can actually succeed. For instance, rather simply eliminating letters of recommendations and tests, they should be adding additional data points, i.e multiple tests, etc. to best identify those who could succeed there. |
Anonymous
No, it's not. And the internet access excuse is just laughable. |
Anonymous
1) I provided data in another post. 2) The idea that there are not very many kids in the Mt. Vernon area that could be successful at TJ is not something that we can just accept as fact. You can believe whatever you want, but the reality is that we won't know the answer unless they have an opportunity. Additionally, it is a false choice to suggest that we should EITHER be improving access to TJ OR seeking to improve educational opportunities for students in those areas. We should be doing both things and the folks on the School Board want to do both things. 3) The Admissions Office has been asserting for years that there are thousands of students in each cycle who could be very successful at TJ. What they are saying is that the difference between the bottom students who have been selected and the top ones who haven't been selected in years past is basically negligible. I assert that indeed, they may have been selecting several of the wrong students because the standardized testing model allows families to pose children who are relatively workaday as being brighter than they are through test prep. Not ALL of the wrong students, mind you - there are far more students who have deserved to be at TJ over the years than there are those who have not. But the kids at TJ know who the kids are that don't belong there and who got in through extensive and expensive prep. It makes itself clear pretty quickly. When kids who don't do much in terms of extracurriculars have to stay up past midnight in order to keep up - unless you're talking about a genuine IEP-level processing issue - that's a sign that you've got a kid who probably doesn't belong. |
Anonymous
Yes, it is horrendous. And you don't know what you're talking about on either issue. |
Anonymous
And my guess is that you don't care about racist tropes about Asians. |