Why is redshirting so rare if it's so advantageous?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

Ok, sure You must be the busy body coworker with no kids to make such asinine comments.

You don't have to take my word that it's possible to transfer to a prestigious college from a community college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college

Or you can just redshirt and not take the risk. Because if they still aren't successful, then that's on them. You only get one chance. But feel free to plow your kids through, ready or not as a 4 year old kindergartener, then press your look at community college and hope for the best.

Since the vast majority of parents don't redshirt, you're saying that the vast majority of parents are bad parents.

The vast majority of parents don't have kids on the cusp with birthdays right before the cut off, now do they? And "bad" is your interpretation, isn't it? People can redshirt or not, that's a decision between the parents, school, teachers and other professionals who weigh in. If you aren't getting that advice then no need to worry. But if you are and you choose not to heed it then as PP says take a gap year and/or go to community college. Redshirting is a legitimate choice. Parenting is all about choices but PP seems to think one should never redshirt for any reason, but luckily schools, parents, and other experts can disagree. I've already made my choice, and have no regrets.

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Anonymous wrote:I know some people refuse to believe it, but the older kids end up doing better in school. It's not surprising that people who can swing redshirting do it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/18/544483397/oldest-kids-in-class-do-better-even-through-college

The thing is, though, that competition isn't important child. Some people just don't have a very competitive streak.

It's not just competing with other kids, its living up to the expectations of teachers. It's also true that younger kids are more often referred to testing for supposed learning disabilities or other issues because they fidget more and can't conform to the rules of the classroom which creates a whole set of other issues to deal with. Which isn't fair to kids who are just young for the grade and younger than peers. They are being compared against older kids, like it or not.

This happens in countries where redshirting doesn't happen. It has almost nothing to do with redshirting.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

Ok, sure You must be the busy body coworker with no kids to make such asinine comments.

DP. That's the utterly nuts natural law poster. You cannot take anything she says seriously. Actually, honestly, the best thing is to.do the opposite of what she is fixated on.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

Ok, sure You must be the busy body coworker with no kids to make such asinine comments.

You don't have to take my word that it's possible to transfer to a prestigious college from a community college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college

Or you can just redshirt and not take the risk. Because if they still aren't successful, then that's on them. You only get one chance. But feel free to plow your kids through, ready or not as a 4 year old kindergartener, then press your look at community college and hope for the best.

Since the vast majority of parents don't redshirt, you're saying that the vast majority of parents are bad parents.

The vast majority of parents don't have kids on the cusp with birthdays right before the cut off, now do they?

Well, 25 percent of kids have birthdays between October and December. Since 99.99 percent of these kids are sent to K at 4, you're saying that 24.9975 percent of parents are not good parents, which is still a fairly large portion.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

Ok, sure You must be the busy body coworker with no kids to make such asinine comments.

You don't have to take my word that it's possible to transfer to a prestigious college from a community college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college

Or you can just redshirt and not take the risk. Because if they still aren't successful, then that's on them. You only get one chance. But feel free to plow your kids through, ready or not as a 4 year old kindergartener, then press your look at community college and hope for the best.

Since the vast majority of parents don't redshirt, you're saying that the vast majority of parents are bad parents.

The vast majority of parents don't have kids on the cusp with birthdays right before the cut off, now do they?

Well, 25 percent of kids have birthdays between October and December. Since 99.99 percent of these kids are sent to K at 4, you're saying that 24.9975 percent of parents are not good parents, which is still a fairly large portion.

Lol. You're really reaching now. You can't make a convincing argument so you're trying to put words in my mouth. You're cute. You can call them bad, I'll call them optimistic.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

Ok, sure You must be the busy body coworker with no kids to make such asinine comments.

You don't have to take my word that it's possible to transfer to a prestigious college from a community college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college

Or you can just redshirt and not take the risk. Because if they still aren't successful, then that's on them. You only get one chance. But feel free to plow your kids through, ready or not as a 4 year old kindergartener, then press your look at community college and hope for the best.

Since the vast majority of parents don't redshirt, you're saying that the vast majority of parents are bad parents.

The vast majority of parents don't have kids on the cusp with birthdays right before the cut off, now do they?

Well, 25 percent of kids have birthdays between October and December. Since 99.99 percent of these kids are sent to K at 4, you're saying that 24.9975 percent of parents are not good parents, which is still a fairly large portion.

You are the dumb $hit natural law poster. Because visually nowhere has kids with birthdays Oct-Dec that aren't the oldest. Get a new hobby loser. Oct-Dec birthday kids already are the oldest which you would know if you actually had kids. Troll.

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OP, redshirting means summer birthdays to me. Not fall.

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Natural law poster is just really, really slow. I don't think she is a troll, but she's definitely dim. I think she genuinely believes that because she thinks grades should be by calendar year, all fall birthdays are redshirted. Weird af.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, redshirting means summer birthdays to me. Not fall.

It means March-what ever is the cut off date.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, redshirting means summer birthdays to me. Not fall.

It means March-what ever is the cut off date.

"I don't know what redshirting means, but I know it when I see it."

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Anonymous wrote:OP, redshirting means summer birthdays to me. Not fall.

It means March-what ever is the cut off date.

never heard of any March bdays being redshirted. July and August definintely.

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Anonymous wrote:Natural law poster is just really, really slow. I don't think she is a troll, but she's definitely dim. I think she genuinely believes that because she thinks grades should be by calendar year, all fall birthdays are redshirted. Weird af.

The reality is that cutoffs in the DMV are Sept 1 and Oct 1. this poster needs to deal with actual reality -- but they never will.

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Anonymous wrote:Natural law poster is just really, really slow. I don't think she is a troll, but she's definitely dim. I think she genuinely believes that because she thinks grades should be by calendar year, all fall birthdays are redshirted. Weird af.

The reality is that cutoffs in the DMV are Sept 1 and Oct 1. this poster needs to deal with actual reality -- but they never will.

FCPS is Sept. 30....

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

Same here. I bet if you looked at everyone who ever dropped out of college or took longer than 4 years to graduate, you'd see that the vast majority started before they were 18.

This is pure conjecture to serve your made-up narrative. My kid is starting college at 17 and does not want a gap year. Same with several friends who just turned 18. A friend's son went to college at 17, is a few years out and is now a successful business owner. On the other hand, we know several redshirted kids who are taking gap years and one is going to a technical school (a very good one).

I worried about my kid being behind in 3rd grade, and his teacher said she had no idea he was younger. He also had friends, two who were BFFs for awhile, who were 18 months older than him -- no biggie for the parents worrying about that. Some redshirted kids definitely have an advantage in HS sports. There's a sophomore who is huge because he should be a junior. But, he's bigger than both parents (how would you know this would happen at 5), and really is not a smart guy (so I can see why he was held back). OP, just do what feels best and stop obsessing. You cannot predict how it will turn out. We never talked about redshirting either way with my 17 yo, but in junior high he said out of the blue, "thanks for believing I was smart enough to start on time." Kids become aware of ages when there are birthday parties. Could a kid say the opposite that they were grateful to have the time. Probably. We just can't predict the future when our kids are 4/5.

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My kid is going to a top-25 school btw, since you'll try to make stories about that too.