Why is redshirting so rare if it's so advantageous?

[Anonymous]

I know some people refuse to believe it, but the older kids end up doing better in school. It's not surprising that people who can swing redshirting do it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/18/544483397/oldest-kids-in-class-do-better-even-through-college

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know some people refuse to believe it, but the older kids end up doing better in school. It's not surprising that people who can swing redshirting do it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/18/544483397/oldest-kids-in-class-do-better-even-through-college

The thing is, though, that competition isn't important child. Some people just don't have a very competitive streak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know some people refuse to believe it, but the older kids end up doing better in school. It's not surprising that people who can swing redshirting do it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/18/544483397/oldest-kids-in-class-do-better-even-through-college

The thing is, though, that competition isn't important child. Some people just don't have a very competitive streak.

It's not just competing with other kids, its living up to the expectations of teachers. It's also true that younger kids are more often referred to testing for supposed learning disabilities or other issues because they fidget more and can't conform to the rules of the classroom which creates a whole set of other issues to deal with. Which isn't fair to kids who are just young for the grade and younger than peers. They are being compared against older kids, like it or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know some people refuse to believe it, but the older kids end up doing better in school. It's not surprising that people who can swing redshirting do it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/18/544483397/oldest-kids-in-class-do-better-even-through-college

The thing is, though, that competition isn't important child. Some people just don't have a very competitive streak.

* "important to every child"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know some people refuse to believe it, but the older kids end up doing better in school. It's not surprising that people who can swing redshirting do it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/18/544483397/oldest-kids-in-class-do-better-even-through-college

The bold is not true. That's the entire point of this question. Your first sentence is true, and the link is certainly true, but despite how much sense it makes for families who can afford to redshirt to do so, the bold is false. These comments only keep mystifying me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know some people refuse to believe it, but the older kids end up doing better in school. It's not surprising that people who can swing redshirting do it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/18/544483397/oldest-kids-in-class-do-better-even-through-college

The bold is not true. That's the entire point of this question. Your first sentence is true, and the link is certainly true, but despite how much sense it makes for families who can afford to redshirt to do so, the bold is false. These comments only keep mystifying me.

The only reason I've heard in here for people who don't redshirt is because they think their kid is ready. That's it. Or, maybe they don't want to admit that finances were the reason. But, in those specific cases maybe that's the right call, but if there is a gap between the youngest and the oldest then maybe some parents don't understand what kindergarten readiness really is and aren't making the right decision. How else do you explain the gap discussed in the link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

Ok, sure You must be the busy body coworker with no kids to make such asinine comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

Ok, sure You must be the busy body coworker with no kids to make such asinine comments.

You don't have to take my word that it's possible to transfer to a prestigious college from a community college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

Ok, sure You must be the busy body coworker with no kids to make such asinine comments.

You don't have to take my word that it's possible to transfer to a prestigious college from a community college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college

Or you can just redshirt and not take the risk. Because if they still aren't successful, then that's on them. You only get one chance. But feel free to plow your kids through, ready or not as a 4 year old kindergartener, then press your look at community college and hope for the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

I agree that education isn't a race. You know how you sometimes hear about a 12-or-13-year-old heading off to college? It's the parents of those kids who view education as a race, not the parents of the kids starting college a few weeks shy of their 18th birthdays.

So, if I have a late August vs. late September child/birthday, what exactly is the difference between a month? You may be robbing them of a year of adulthood by forcing them to be kids an extra year when they are 18/adults.

Most people given the choice would likely prefer another year of being a carefree child.

Yes, but they should still have the choice to enter adulthood sooner if that's what they want. Kids who aren't redshirted are more likely to have both options open to them than kids who are redshirted. If a 17-year-old graduating from high school doesn't feel ready for college and doesn't want to rush into adulthood, they can just take a gap year. If, however, a 17-year-old finishing 11th grade is really sick of high school, feels ready for college, and is in a hurry to be an adult, then they don't really have any other choice but to stick out that last year of high school.

What about the 17 year old who struggled through school and was constantly playing catch up? When did he get the choice to delay kindergarten entry until he was as mature as his peers?

He has the chance to change that for college, and suddenly become one of the oldest if he chooses to take the gap year.

But if he struggled in high school and has mediocre grades and didn't perform as well on SAT he has torpedoed a lot of his chances. Do you really not understand how this works? It's too late for your silly gap year to fix the past 12 years.

He can always to to a community college and transfer to a flagship state school there. Besides, even if he's doomed to go to a mediocre college, he can increase his chance of doing well at said college by taking a gap year. Doing well at a mediocre college is better than doing poorly at a mediocre college.

Ok, sure You must be the busy body coworker with no kids to make such asinine comments.

You don't have to take my word that it's possible to transfer to a prestigious college from a community college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college

Or you can just redshirt and not take the risk. Because if they still aren't successful, then that's on them. You only get one chance. But feel free to plow your kids through, ready or not as a 4 year old kindergartener, then press your look at community college and hope for the best.

Since the vast majority of parents don't redshirt, you're saying that the vast majority of parents are bad parents.