Why is redshirting so rare if it's so advantageous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Redshirting isn't advantageous at all for a kid that is already ahead academically and cognitively. Late August birthday kid could already read at 3. We knew he would be bored out of his gourd if we redshirted him. He was still the most advanced kid in his class at each grade level, even being more than a year younger than the oldest redshirted kid in class. Behavioral issues and maturity issues work themselves out over time. I really think parents of late summer bday kids should try to get an IQ test or something similar for their kids before redshirting just to make sure they aren't going to exacerbate boredom. Every kid is different, don't base your decision solely on sports!

IQ testing doesn't mean that much but mien was also reading at three and a fall birthday so we sent them. No kids who are 4-5-6 should be mature. If they are, I'd worry more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

You got this backward.
1) it's so common half my kid's K class were 7+
2) studies show it's not advantageous after a couple of years

[Anonymous]

My red shirted my academically gifted ds. He's now in 5th grade and it definitely paid off. He has always been very shy. Red shirting definitely helped his confidence and social interactions. I think it's a very individual decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

You got this backward.
1) it's so common half my kid's K class were 7+
2) studies show it's not advantageous after a couple of years

The anti-redshirt fantasies are so weird. Of course this didn’t happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The sad truth is that a there are lot of parents out there who shouldn't be parents. After 5 years, most parents miss the alone time they used to have before becoming parents and are too stingy too pay for another year of daycare. Therefore, they just want to hurry their child off to school so can get those old times back. Subsequently, this means their child will go off to college earlier and they'll be alone in the house 24/7.

The majority of people send their kids on time and they are not bad parents. Wow.

The majority of people with sons have them circumcised. That doesn't make it right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a "Greenshirted" kid who is a Junior in HS right now. His birthday is late September and the cut-off was Sept 1. He had to take a test to qualify for early entrance to kindergarten.

Here are the reasons we greenshirted -
- he is very bright and was ahead in all academic markers (could read from 3 yrs of age)
- he was average height and weight, healthy and active.
- he was very well socialized, very articulate, independent, mature and is NT
- keeping him back would have been a disservice to him. - he is the youngest of the siblings and so he was really at par with his elder siblings.
- it made no sense to pay for another year of private school before he could go to public school ES.

He excelled in the classroom and playground. He soon leapfrogged to a more advanced track and program in public school and has really thrived.

Detrimental in some ways?
- a lot of prestigious opportunities and internships in HS have a strict age-limit and he is always younger by a couple months.

Not really impactful for a kid who is a focussed student and not a wild party animal. YMMV. -
- his driver's license came a few months later than most of his peers
- he will probably be a few months younger than his peers before he can have his first legal beer.

That is really cool. I always liked being the youngest in my class and it would have been such a confidence boost to have been even younger. (Not that’s why you should green shirt but it would be nice still)

Can't imagine starting college at 20 would be a good feeling.

I don't even understand how that would be possible. A kid not born in the fall would have to both be redshirted AND take a gap year between high school and college. The probabilities of doing either of those things are incredibly low. Multiple those probabilities together, and I think we can all agree that starting college at 20 pretty much never happens.

We had lots of kids come to college at 20 and 21. Some went into the military for three years so that the GI bill would pay for it. Others worked and saved up for school. Some took gap years and traveled abroad. This is also very European where it is crazy to think that someone could not imagine someone between the age of 17 to 100 going off to college. The ignorance on this boards is amazing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a "Greenshirted" kid who is a Junior in HS right now. His birthday is late September and the cut-off was Sept 1. He had to take a test to qualify for early entrance to kindergarten.

Here are the reasons we greenshirted -
- he is very bright and was ahead in all academic markers (could read from 3 yrs of age)
- he was average height and weight, healthy and active.
- he was very well socialized, very articulate, independent, mature and is NT
- keeping him back would have been a disservice to him. - he is the youngest of the siblings and so he was really at par with his elder siblings.
- it made no sense to pay for another year of private school before he could go to public school ES.

He excelled in the classroom and playground. He soon leapfrogged to a more advanced track and program in public school and has really thrived.

Detrimental in some ways?
- a lot of prestigious opportunities and internships in HS have a strict age-limit and he is always younger by a couple months.

Not really impactful for a kid who is a focussed student and not a wild party animal. YMMV. -
- his driver's license came a few months later than most of his peers
- he will probably be a few months younger than his peers before he can have his first legal beer.

That is really cool. I always liked being the youngest in my class and it would have been such a confidence boost to have been even younger. (Not that’s why you should green shirt but it would be nice still)

Can't imagine starting college at 20 would be a good feeling.

I don't even understand how that would be possible. A kid not born in the fall would have to both be redshirted AND take a gap year between high school and college. The probabilities of doing either of those things are incredibly low. Multiple those probabilities together, and I think we can all agree that starting college at 20 pretty much never happens.

We had lots of kids come to college at 20 and 21. Some went into the military for three years so that the GI bill would pay for it. Others worked and saved up for school. Some took gap years and traveled abroad. This is also very European where it is crazy to think that someone could not imagine someone between the age of 17 to 100 going off to college. The ignorance on this boards is amazing.

I taught at Universities for 10 years. I had plenty of good to great students who were fresh out of high school. I did notice that the students who tended to have the best attendance and were prepared were older students, many in their early 20's. I think it was because they had some experience working other types of jobs and understood why they wanted a college degree and took the process of school more seriously then many of the students who came straight from high school. Many of my early 20's students were serving in the military or had served. I also had some adults in their 40's who were changing positions or finishing a degree for various reasons. that group tended to behave academically more like the kids straight out of high school. Some of them took school very seriously and others were there for the degree with as little work as possible.

I went to college as a 17 year old and had no issues with school. I ended up going straight from college to a PhD program and earned my doctorate. I don't think starting as a younger Kindergartener was an issue for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a "Greenshirted" kid who is a Junior in HS right now. His birthday is late September and the cut-off was Sept 1. He had to take a test to qualify for early entrance to kindergarten.

Here are the reasons we greenshirted -
- he is very bright and was ahead in all academic markers (could read from 3 yrs of age)
- he was average height and weight, healthy and active.
- he was very well socialized, very articulate, independent, mature and is NT
- keeping him back would have been a disservice to him. - he is the youngest of the siblings and so he was really at par with his elder siblings.
- it made no sense to pay for another year of private school before he could go to public school ES.

He excelled in the classroom and playground. He soon leapfrogged to a more advanced track and program in public school and has really thrived.

Detrimental in some ways?
- a lot of prestigious opportunities and internships in HS have a strict age-limit and he is always younger by a couple months.

Not really impactful for a kid who is a focussed student and not a wild party animal. YMMV. -
- his driver's license came a few months later than most of his peers
- he will probably be a few months younger than his peers before he can have his first legal beer.

That is really cool. I always liked being the youngest in my class and it would have been such a confidence boost to have been even younger. (Not that’s why you should green shirt but it would be nice still)

Can't imagine starting college at 20 would be a good feeling.

I don't even understand how that would be possible. A kid not born in the fall would have to both be redshirted AND take a gap year between high school and college. The probabilities of doing either of those things are incredibly low. Multiple those probabilities together, and I think we can all agree that starting college at 20 pretty much never happens.

The ignorance on this boards is amazing.

And there's nothing ignorant about saying "this boards" instead of "this board".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, are you in NY? It’s about the only place left in the US where a Nov. birthday has the option of going to K at 5.

Can you link the studies on redshirting? The ones I have read are much less clear on their being an advantage, but it’s been a few years since I looked.

Connecticut's cut-off is December 31. If you turn 5 before Jan 1 then you are eligible for K. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, some private schools in CT won't let kids who aren't 4 before June 1 apply to PK. So it's all over the place.

Connecticut's cut-off is too late in the year IMHO. A September cut-off makes sense and red-shirting kids born in July and August could make sense, but IMHO it's probably too much to redshirt a kid born in May or June. But that's just my opinion. At the end of the day, someone has to be the youngest and someone has to be the oldest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, are you in NY? It’s about the only place left in the US where a Nov. birthday has the option of going to K at 5.

Can you link the studies on redshirting? The ones I have read are much less clear on their being an advantage, but it’s been a few years since I looked.

Connecticut's cut-off is December 31. If you turn 5 before Jan 1 then you are eligible for K. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, some private schools in CT won't let kids who aren't 4 before June 1 apply to PK. So it's all over the place.

Connecticut's cut-off is too late in the year IMHO. A September cut-off makes sense and red-shirting kids born in July and August could make sense, but IMHO it's probably too much to redshirt a kid born in May or June. But that's just my opinion. At the end of the day, someone has to be the youngest and someone has to be the oldest.

So you know better than the scientists who did all that extensive research to decide on an ideal cut-off?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, are you in NY? It’s about the only place left in the US where a Nov. birthday has the option of going to K at 5.

Can you link the studies on redshirting? The ones I have read are much less clear on their being an advantage, but it’s been a few years since I looked.

Connecticut's cut-off is December 31. If you turn 5 before Jan 1 then you are eligible for K. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, some private schools in CT won't let kids who aren't 4 before June 1 apply to PK. So it's all over the place.

Connecticut's cut-off is too late in the year IMHO. A September cut-off makes sense and red-shirting kids born in July and August could make sense, but IMHO it's probably too much to redshirt a kid born in May or June. But that's just my opinion. At the end of the day, someone has to be the youngest and someone has to be the oldest.

So you know better than the scientists who did all that extensive research to decide on an ideal cut-off?

Surely you troll? You think CT hired scientists to devise an ideal cut-off that's out of sync with most of the country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a "Greenshirted" kid who is a Junior in HS right now. His birthday is late September and the cut-off was Sept 1. He had to take a test to qualify for early entrance to kindergarten.

Here are the reasons we greenshirted -
- he is very bright and was ahead in all academic markers (could read from 3 yrs of age)
- he was average height and weight, healthy and active.
- he was very well socialized, very articulate, independent, mature and is NT
- keeping him back would have been a disservice to him. - he is the youngest of the siblings and so he was really at par with his elder siblings.
- it made no sense to pay for another year of private school before he could go to public school ES.

He excelled in the classroom and playground. He soon leapfrogged to a more advanced track and program in public school and has really thrived.

Detrimental in some ways?
- a lot of prestigious opportunities and internships in HS have a strict age-limit and he is always younger by a couple months.

Not really impactful for a kid who is a focussed student and not a wild party animal. YMMV. -
- his driver's license came a few months later than most of his peers
- he will probably be a few months younger than his peers before he can have his first legal beer.

That is really cool. I always liked being the youngest in my class and it would have been such a confidence boost to have been even younger. (Not that’s why you should green shirt but it would be nice still)

Can't imagine starting college at 20 would be a good feeling.

I don't even understand how that would be possible. A kid not born in the fall would have to both be redshirted AND take a gap year between high school and college. The probabilities of doing either of those things are incredibly low. Multiple those probabilities together, and I think we can all agree that starting college at 20 pretty much never happens.

The ignorance on this boards is amazing.

And there's nothing ignorant about saying "this boards" instead of "this board".

No one cares about the pettiness of a misspelled word on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a "Greenshirted" kid who is a Junior in HS right now. His birthday is late September and the cut-off was Sept 1. He had to take a test to qualify for early entrance to kindergarten.

Here are the reasons we greenshirted -
- he is very bright and was ahead in all academic markers (could read from 3 yrs of age)
- he was average height and weight, healthy and active.
- he was very well socialized, very articulate, independent, mature and is NT
- keeping him back would have been a disservice to him. - he is the youngest of the siblings and so he was really at par with his elder siblings.
- it made no sense to pay for another year of private school before he could go to public school ES.

He excelled in the classroom and playground. He soon leapfrogged to a more advanced track and program in public school and has really thrived.

Detrimental in some ways?
- a lot of prestigious opportunities and internships in HS have a strict age-limit and he is always younger by a couple months.

Not really impactful for a kid who is a focussed student and not a wild party animal. YMMV. -
- his driver's license came a few months later than most of his peers
- he will probably be a few months younger than his peers before he can have his first legal beer.

That is really cool. I always liked being the youngest in my class and it would have been such a confidence boost to have been even younger. (Not that’s why you should green shirt but it would be nice still)

Can't imagine starting college at 20 would be a good feeling.

I don't even understand how that would be possible. A kid not born in the fall would have to both be redshirted AND take a gap year between high school and college. The probabilities of doing either of those things are incredibly low. Multiple those probabilities together, and I think we can all agree that starting college at 20 pretty much never happens.

The ignorance on this boards is amazing.

And there's nothing ignorant about saying "this boards" instead of "this board".

Ignorant gif you yo go off topic for such nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

A kid who has a November birthday and will be 4 at the start of kindergarten must be in NY or CT. I guess that person could do what is common in their area. On the other hand, since those dates are so outside of the norm for everywhere else that kid will be far younger than their grade peers across the country and much younger as a freshman in college. If that's going to be an issue then redshirt, but don't complain if you happen to move and all the kids are now 15 months older, you'll have to own the short sighted decision to send a 4 year old to kindergarten assuming nothing would change.