Why is redshirting so rare if it's so advantageous?

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

A kid who has a November birthday and will be 4 at the start of kindergarten must be in NY or CT. I guess that person could do what is common in their area. On the other hand, since those dates are so outside of the norm for everywhere else that kid will be far younger than their grade peers across the country and much younger as a freshman in college. If that's going to be an issue then redshirt, but don't complain if you happen to move and all the kids are now 15 months older, you'll have to own the short sighted decision to send a 4 year old to kindergarten assuming nothing would change.

What a dumb and thoughtless response.

Ok, just cry harder about your young for age kid then.

I want to congratulate you on another dumb and thoughtless response. Consistency is what you have.

Do you have an actual point to make? I could no effs about your insults. You can't even be bothered to stay on topic.

You “could no effs?”

Phone typing. Sorry it's upsetting to the troll.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

A kid who has a November birthday and will be 4 at the start of kindergarten must be in NY or CT. I guess that person could do what is common in their area. On the other hand, since those dates are so outside of the norm for everywhere else that kid will be far younger than their grade peers across the country and much younger as a freshman in college. If that's going to be an issue then redshirt, but don't complain if you happen to move and all the kids are now 15 months older, you'll have to own the short sighted decision to send a 4 year old to kindergarten assuming nothing would change.

What a dumb and thoughtless response.

Ok, just cry harder about your young for age kid then.

NP. You emotional intelligence points south. I pity your children; if all is right, you have none.

Oh well, don't come here looking for your pity that your 4 year old kindergartener can't shine soccer.

It’s apparent you never shined academically.

Cute, the troll tries to give lessons to others.

What lessons are you giving?

Shining soccer?

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

A kid who has a November birthday and will be 4 at the start of kindergarten must be in NY or CT. I guess that person could do what is common in their area. On the other hand, since those dates are so outside of the norm for everywhere else that kid will be far younger than their grade peers across the country and much younger as a freshman in college. If that's going to be an issue then redshirt, but don't complain if you happen to move and all the kids are now 15 months older, you'll have to own the short sighted decision to send a 4 year old to kindergarten assuming nothing would change.

What a dumb and thoughtless response.

Ok, just cry harder about your young for age kid then.

I want to congratulate you on another dumb and thoughtless response. Consistency is what you have.

Do you have an actual point to make? I could no effs about your insults. You can't even be bothered to stay on topic.

You “could no effs?”

Phone typing. Sorry it's upsetting to the troll.

I could no effs.

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55 pages on redshirting. Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages on redshirting. Wow.

You contributed to it.

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Why is academic redshirting seen as an advantage in sports? Every youth sports association I know of has straight age cut offs. You cannot be 19 years old and play Varsity football or 17 for JV in my local area, as an example. So redshirted kids will still be grouped with their real age group in sports.

This is a great point. I guess it was an advantage back when most people did sports through their high school and grouping was done by grade. But now with all the youth sports that are not affiliated with schools it makes no difference what grade your kid happens to be in when they are 14. I don't know what percent of youth in sports are on teams affiliated with their school vs not, but it definitely seems like the proportion of non-school affiliated is growing.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

+1. It's quite common at the "sought after" publics people talk about on DCUM a lot, and at certain privates it's almost required. There are some private schools in this area that essentially require kids to be reading by K and will not admit a child who can't pass a basic literacy test. This means that of course many parents will redshirt kids to ensure they can pass this test, and the school policies basically encourage it.

DC's culture is obsessive about academic achievement. While outside of this region, I would guess most redshirting occurs for social reasons, in DC there is a lot of academic or sports-related redshirting done with the explicit goal of giving their child an edge, or at least making sure they get the same edge as all the other kids. People will openly explain this reasoning to you, it's not some shameful secret.

Reading by K doesn't equal redshirting. If your child is 4 years and 11 months on the private school's cut off date, but she can read and add and subtract, the school will admit her for K. They'll be more than happy to take your $$ now rather than later. BTDT. They will definitely not tell the other parents there is a late 4s kiddo in the class, especially the red-shirting parents. If you feel forced to redshirt your child to meet the admissions standards of a private K, it's probably not a good fit.

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Why is academic redshirting seen as an advantage in sports? Every youth sports association I know of has straight age cut offs. You cannot be 19 years old and play Varsity football or 17 for JV in my local area, as an example. So redshirted kids will still be grouped with their real age group in sports.

In my area and in some sports they go by HS graduating year. They don't keep asking the class of 2027 how old they are.

Really? That’s interesting. Most sports I see are strict age/ birth year based. U17 soccer doesn’t care that you’re 18 but a junior in high school, you’re not U17 so you aren’t playing. Same with little league baseball etc they even ask for a freaking birth certificate.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

A kid who has a November birthday and will be 4 at the start of kindergarten must be in NY or CT. I guess that person could do what is common in their area. On the other hand, since those dates are so outside of the norm for everywhere else that kid will be far younger than their grade peers across the country and much younger as a freshman in college. If that's going to be an issue then redshirt, but don't complain if you happen to move and all the kids are now 15 months older, you'll have to own the short sighted decision to send a 4 year old to kindergarten assuming nothing would change.

What a dumb and thoughtless response.

Ok, just cry harder about your young for age kid then.

NP. You emotional intelligence points south. I pity your children; if all is right, you have none.

Oh well, don't come here looking for your pity that your 4 year old kindergartener can't shine soccer.

It’s apparent you never shined academically.

Neither did I, but I'm on the road to shining financially. That's ultimately what matters.

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Why is academic redshirting seen as an advantage in sports? Every youth sports association I know of has straight age cut offs. You cannot be 19 years old and play Varsity football or 17 for JV in my local area, as an example. So redshirted kids will still be grouped with their real age group in sports.

In my area and in some sports they go by HS graduating year. They don't keep asking the class of 2027 how old they are.

Really? That’s interesting. Most sports I see are strict age/ birth year based. U17 soccer doesn’t care that you’re 18 but a junior in high school, you’re not U17 so you aren’t playing. Same with little league baseball etc they even ask for a freaking birth certificate.

Rec baseball only goes up to age 14 or 16. The club baseball teams recruit by HS graduating class after that in my area.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

A kid who has a November birthday and will be 4 at the start of kindergarten must be in NY or CT. I guess that person could do what is common in their area. On the other hand, since those dates are so outside of the norm for everywhere else that kid will be far younger than their grade peers across the country and much younger as a freshman in college. If that's going to be an issue then redshirt, but don't complain if you happen to move and all the kids are now 15 months older, you'll have to own the short sighted decision to send a 4 year old to kindergarten assuming nothing would change.

What a dumb and thoughtless response.

Ok, just cry harder about your young for age kid then.

NP. You emotional intelligence points south. I pity your children; if all is right, you have none.

Oh well, don't come here looking for your pity that your 4 year old kindergartener can't shine soccer.

It’s apparent you never shined academically.

Neither did I, but I'm on the road to shining financially. That's ultimately what matters.

Dear God, help us all! Your stupidity is cemented even more.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

A kid who has a November birthday and will be 4 at the start of kindergarten must be in NY or CT. I guess that person could do what is common in their area. On the other hand, since those dates are so outside of the norm for everywhere else that kid will be far younger than their grade peers across the country and much younger as a freshman in college. If that's going to be an issue then redshirt, but don't complain if you happen to move and all the kids are now 15 months older, you'll have to own the short sighted decision to send a 4 year old to kindergarten assuming nothing would change.

What a dumb and thoughtless response.

Ok, just cry harder about your young for age kid then.

NP. You emotional intelligence points south. I pity your children; if all is right, you have none.

Oh well, don't come here looking for your pity that your 4 year old kindergartener can't shine soccer.

Yeah, because every parent should prioritize sports over academics.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don’t know, redshirting is the practice of delaying a fall-born child’s Kindergarten entrance until they’re almost 6 instead of almost 5. This is something I’m thinking about doing with my son, who will be 4 in November and will be eligible for Kindergarten in the fall of 2022. There are many studies that show that kids who are redshirted do better in school as well as later in life, and honestly, you don’t have to be a scientist to see why this makes sense. Kids who start older are going to be more mature and ready to handle the challenges of school. This means they’ll get better grades, get into better colleges, and get better jobs.

You’d think that based on this information, any parent with a fall-born child who could afford an extra year of daycare would redshirt without hesitation. But this is not the case. When I think of all people I know who have fall birthdays and are from affluent families, the vast majority started Kindergarten at 4. As tempted as I am to redshirt my son, I can’t help but feel that there must be a reason why so few parents do it.

If you have a fall-born child who you could afford to redshirt but didn’t, why not? And if you could do it over again, would you redshirt?

From what I've read, it's not advantageous in the long run but does confer some advantages for a few years in early elementary. Nevertheless, it isn't rare at all here. It's downright commonplace, especially in the more affluent schools.

A kid who has a November birthday and will be 4 at the start of kindergarten must be in NY or CT. I guess that person could do what is common in their area. On the other hand, since those dates are so outside of the norm for everywhere else that kid will be far younger than their grade peers across the country and much younger as a freshman in college. If that's going to be an issue then redshirt, but don't complain if you happen to move and all the kids are now 15 months older, you'll have to own the short sighted decision to send a 4 year old to kindergarten assuming nothing would change.

What a dumb and thoughtless response.

Ok, just cry harder about your young for age kid then.

NP. You emotional intelligence points south. I pity your children; if all is right, you have none.

Oh well, don't come here looking for your pity that your 4 year old kindergartener can't shine soccer.

Yeah, because every parent should prioritize sports over academics.

Apparently this parent does. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1064762.page

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Anonymous wrote:OP, are you in NY? It’s about the only place left in the US where a Nov. birthday has the option of going to K at 5.

Can you link the studies on redshirting? The ones I have read are much less clear on their being an advantage, but it’s been a few years since I looked.

Connecticut's cut-off is December 31. If you turn 5 before Jan 1 then you are eligible for K. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, some private schools in CT won't let kids who aren't 4 before June 1 apply to PK. So it's all over the place.

Connecticut's cut-off is too late in the year IMHO. A September cut-off makes sense and red-shirting kids born in July and August could make sense, but IMHO it's probably too much to redshirt a kid born in May or June. But that's just my opinion. At the end of the day, someone has to be the youngest and someone has to be the oldest.

So you know better than the scientists who did all that extensive research to decide on an ideal cut-off?

Surely you troll? You think CT hired scientists to devise an ideal cut-off that's out of sync with most of the country?

That cut-off date must have been decided on for a reason.