Who Are the Annoying People Who Ride Their Bikes on River Road During Morning Rush Hour???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments by cyclists in this thread makes me hate cyclists more than I ever thought possible. The entitled smugness is just boundless. I used to be sort of indifferent to them, but now that I think about all the times I've seen them blow through redlights or stop signs, then post here how it's no big thing and deflect the issue saying drivers run redlights too.... you know what? I've never seen a car drive along the shoulder past other traffic waiting for a light, and then drive through the light forcing other cars to avoid them. But I see cyclists do it all the time. Then I read some of them on this thread, it infuriates me. I hate them. HATE them!

I am confused - is your problem behavior at stop signs, or is it filtering to the right?

Filtering to the right is legal and in many places makes traffic work better. In particular I can use it to get to a bike lane, or a right turn, and get out of the way of motor vehicles. I don't filter in places where I am going to have to stay in the general lanes, and will only need to be passed again.

Treating stop signs as yield signs is not legal in the US outside Idaho and Colorado - but it is much like cars going a couple of MPH over the limit - its not really a big deal. Thats not smugness, its reality. The fact is that all types of transportation system users - drivers, cyclists, and walkers, violate the law. In ways that are specific to their mode. Maybe we should discourage that, but its not a reason to hate them as a class.

I also note again, one difference is that most cyclists have driven cars (or even do so regularly) and all walk. While most drivers and pedestrians have never ridden in traffic, and don't actually understand what we do.

Are you on the spectrum?

Because you think anyone neurotypical would have given in to your bullying?

NP. Nope, don't think that's the reason....

So you think there are at least some neurotypical people who would resist your bullying?

Try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we watching someone have a mental break in this thread?

This was my thought too.

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I can tell some of these people are lawyers lol It's like arguing with a hall monitor

Look yes you have a right to drive on Wis avenue in rush hour

Should you no, should steps be taken to make it easier to do it no, should steps be taken instead to make it more hospitable to drivers who are the vast vast majority of users of this route yes

Most of the people in the travel lanes on Wisconsin Avenue are drivers because the travel lanes on Wisconsin Avenue are inhospitable to people who aren't in cars. That's not an argument for staying off Wisconsin Avenue unless you're in a car; it's an argument for making Wisconsin Avenue more hospitable to everybody, whether they're in cars or not. Why DC would want to prioritize the desires of car commuters from the suburbs over the desires of its own residents, I can't understand.

Because DC has an interest in making rush hours as short as possible? And because the vast majority of knowledge workers are from the suburbs?

No DC has an interest in making the city livable for its residents. Now there could be some overlap with your suggestion that they make rush hours shorter but there is not likely to be overlap with making the cities streets inhospitable for pedestrians and cyclists to benefit suburbanites who neither vote nor pay taxes in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the anti-biking posters on this thread have so far engaged in juvenile and lame insults directed at cyclists - i.e. calling them "Nerds", "tricyclists", "pasty white guys who got beat up all the time in locker rooms", etc. They've also repeatedly talked about how they love to honk at cyclists, pass them with 3 inches to spare and otherwise try to scare them with the threat of vehicular assault/murder (lolz I guess?). And the cyclists on this thread are the ones who are acting antisocial? By asserting the fact that they legally have a right to ride on the roads? Yeah ok. If you can't win the argument, just keep lying and insulting the other side. We've all seen plenty of this type.

Dude. You really need to take a break, head outside, clear your head. This is bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the anti-biking posters on this thread have so far engaged in juvenile and lame insults directed at cyclists - i.e. calling them "Nerds", "tricyclists", "pasty white guys who got beat up all the time in locker rooms", etc. They've also repeatedly talked about how they love to honk at cyclists, pass them with 3 inches to spare and otherwise try to scare them with the threat of vehicular assault/murder (lolz I guess?). And the cyclists on this thread are the ones who are acting antisocial? By asserting the fact that they legally have a right to ride on the roads? Yeah ok. If you can't win the argument, just keep lying and insulting the other side. We've all seen plenty of this type.

I have to disagree with you. You said anti-biking posters, but I've seen no evidence that there's more than 1 good troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the anti-biking posters on this thread have so far engaged in juvenile and lame insults directed at cyclists - i.e. calling them "Nerds", "tricyclists", "pasty white guys who got beat up all the time in locker rooms", etc. They've also repeatedly talked about how they love to honk at cyclists, pass them with 3 inches to spare and otherwise try to scare them with the threat of vehicular assault/murder (lolz I guess?). And the cyclists on this thread are the ones who are acting antisocial? By asserting the fact that they legally have a right to ride on the roads? Yeah ok. If you can't win the argument, just keep lying and insulting the other side. We've all seen plenty of this type.

I am pretty sure the guy saying tricyclist (who is still at it, though trying different rhetoric) is not really mostly concerned with bikes. I think he i mostly concerned with smug nerds, and is disappointed that things have not gone better for the Administration. But cyclists (the "other" and the males in particular defy gender norms, by taking the less powerful vehicle, and wearing "tights") are always an easy enemy, and in a region where people are frustrated by traffic maybe he can get a couple of frustrated drivers to go along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the anti-biking posters on this thread have so far engaged in juvenile and lame insults directed at cyclists - i.e. calling them "Nerds", "tricyclists", "pasty white guys who got beat up all the time in locker rooms", etc. They've also repeatedly talked about how they love to honk at cyclists, pass them with 3 inches to spare and otherwise try to scare them with the threat of vehicular assault/murder (lolz I guess?). And the cyclists on this thread are the ones who are acting antisocial? By asserting the fact that they legally have a right to ride on the roads? Yeah ok. If you can't win the argument, just keep lying and insulting the other side. We've all seen plenty of this type.

Dude. You really need to take a break, head outside, clear your head. This is bad.

You should try riding a bike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the anti-biking posters on this thread have so far engaged in juvenile and lame insults directed at cyclists - i.e. calling them "Nerds", "tricyclists", "pasty white guys who got beat up all the time in locker rooms", etc. They've also repeatedly talked about how they love to honk at cyclists, pass them with 3 inches to spare and otherwise try to scare them with the threat of vehicular assault/murder (lolz I guess?). And the cyclists on this thread are the ones who are acting antisocial? By asserting the fact that they legally have a right to ride on the roads? Yeah ok. If you can't win the argument, just keep lying and insulting the other side. We've all seen plenty of this type.

I have to disagree with you. You said anti-biking posters, but I've seen no evidence that there's more than 1 good troll.

Yup. I ride and have good interactions with motorists every day - and almost all of the bad ones are because they are distracted, not malicious. The bike haters are really not that many, but want to appear as more.

[Anonymous]

Pedestrians really need to do a better job of paying attention before stepping out into a crosswalk. They look for cars, but are utterly oblivious to cyclists.

When you consider the fact that it requires a great amount of physical exertion to get a bike up to speed from a complete stop, then you'd understand why stepping out into a crosswalk in front of an approaching cyclist is a total dick-move. You force the bike rider to slow or even stop, just so you can sashay across the street without waiting an additional five seconds for them to pedal by.

Now the rider has to work again to get back to their preferred cruising speed. It has real consequences. You are literally causing them to exert themselves harder than they should, all because you are a self absorbed jerk.

This is why so many riders have taken to screaming at or buzzing pedestrians. Frustration at how obvious you are to others around you. You could wait a few seconds, but you'd rather force someone else to react to you.

Disgusting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pedestrians really need to do a better job of paying attention before stepping out into a crosswalk. They look for cars, but are utterly oblivious to cyclists.

When you consider the fact that it requires a great amount of physical exertion to get a bike up to speed from a complete stop, then you'd understand why stepping out into a crosswalk in front of an approaching cyclist is a total dick-move. You force the bike rider to slow or even stop, just so you can sashay across the street without waiting an additional five seconds for them to pedal by.

Now the rider has to work again to get back to their preferred cruising speed. It has real consequences. You are literally causing them to exert themselves harder than they should, all because you are a self absorbed jerk.

This is why so many riders have taken to screaming at or buzzing pedestrians. Frustration at how obvious you are to others around you. You could wait a few seconds, but you'd rather force someone else to react to you.

Disgusting

What are you talking about? Stop for pedestrians when they have the right of way in a crosswalk.

-a cyclist

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pedestrians really need to do a better job of paying attention before stepping out into a crosswalk. They look for cars, but are utterly oblivious to cyclists.

When you consider the fact that it requires a great amount of physical exertion to get a bike up to speed from a complete stop, then you'd understand why stepping out into a crosswalk in front of an approaching cyclist is a total dick-move. You force the bike rider to slow or even stop, just so you can sashay across the street without waiting an additional five seconds for them to pedal by.

Now the rider has to work again to get back to their preferred cruising speed. It has real consequences. You are literally causing them to exert themselves harder than they should, all because you are a self absorbed jerk.

This is why so many riders have taken to screaming at or buzzing pedestrians. Frustration at how obvious you are to others around you. You could wait a few seconds, but you'd rather force someone else to react to you.

Disgusting

What are you talking about? Stop for pedestrians when they have the right of way in a crosswalk.

-a cyclist

PP here

Sorry, never mind. I just realized you're the same troll. Got me! No actual cyclist would say this garbage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are we watching someone have a mental break in this thread?

This was my thought too.

+1

And it just keeps going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pedestrians really need to do a better job of paying attention before stepping out into a crosswalk. They look for cars, but are utterly oblivious to cyclists.

When you consider the fact that it requires a great amount of physical exertion to get a bike up to speed from a complete stop, then you'd understand why stepping out into a crosswalk in front of an approaching cyclist is a total dick-move. You force the bike rider to slow or even stop, just so you can sashay across the street without waiting an additional five seconds for them to pedal by.

Now the rider has to work again to get back to their preferred cruising speed. It has real consequences. You are literally causing them to exert themselves harder than they should, all because you are a self absorbed jerk.

This is why so many riders have taken to screaming at or buzzing pedestrians. Frustration at how obvious you are to others around you. You could wait a few seconds, but you'd rather force someone else to react to you.

Disgusting

Actually its perfectly obvious why pedestrians will cross in front of cyclists, in ways they would not in front of cars. Cyclists are slower, lighter, and more maneuverable. Its clearly much less dangerous to step in front of a cyclist than in front of a car. this is shear human nature.

Now I too get annoyed when I am riding, and a ped steps out dangerously. Not so much at a crosswalk, where they have right of way, but mid block, or worse, between parked cars. But I can't get that angry at them - I remember that cyclists and drivers too do illegal, and sometimes even dangerous things. But unlike drivers, pedestrians are not going to kill anyone. If I have to squeeze my brakes, I will. That is riding in the city. Pedestrians are helping to relieve congestion, reduce emissions, make the city more liveable. I want to support teaching them (like teaching cyclists) to be safer, but I will not scream at them or buzz them. I will not be like certain drivers. I. WILL. NOT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pedestrians really need to do a better job of paying attention before stepping out into a crosswalk. They look for cars, but are utterly oblivious to cyclists.

When you consider the fact that it requires a great amount of physical exertion to get a bike up to speed from a complete stop, then you'd understand why stepping out into a crosswalk in front of an approaching cyclist is a total dick-move. You force the bike rider to slow or even stop, just so you can sashay across the street without waiting an additional five seconds for them to pedal by.

Now the rider has to work again to get back to their preferred cruising speed. It has real consequences. You are literally causing them to exert themselves harder than they should, all because you are a self absorbed jerk.

This is why so many riders have taken to screaming at or buzzing pedestrians. Frustration at how obvious you are to others around you. You could wait a few seconds, but you'd rather force someone else to react to you.

Disgusting

Actually its perfectly obvious why pedestrians will cross in front of cyclists, in ways they would not in front of cars. Cyclists are slower, lighter, and more maneuverable. Its clearly much less dangerous to step in front of a cyclist than in front of a car. this is shear human nature.

Now I too get annoyed when I am riding, and a ped steps out dangerously. Not so much at a crosswalk, where they have right of way, but mid block, or worse, between parked cars. But I can't get that angry at them - I remember that cyclists and drivers too do illegal, and sometimes even dangerous things. But unlike drivers, pedestrians are not going to kill anyone. If I have to squeeze my brakes, I will. That is riding in the city. Pedestrians are helping to relieve congestion, reduce emissions, make the city more liveable. I want to support teaching them (like teaching cyclists) to be safer, but I will not scream at them or buzz them. I will not be like certain drivers. I. WILL. NOT.

This thank you.

Remember the speed limit is set low in urban areas specifically because unpredictable things happen. If you are driving 25MPH and someone steps out there is a good chance you can just stop and no harm will come from it.

Unfortunately most drivers, particularly from the burbs, don't get this.

[Anonymous]

Pedestrians really need to do a better job of paying attention before stepping out into a crosswalk. They look for cars, but are utterly oblivious to cyclists.

When you consider the fact that it requires a great amount of physical exertion to get a bike up to speed from a complete stop, then you'd understand why stepping out into a crosswalk in front of an approaching cyclist is a total dick-move. You force the bike rider to slow or even stop, just so you can sashay across the street without waiting an additional five seconds for them to pedal by.

It doesnt require THAT much exertion. That why I, like 95% of cyclists, slow or stop as required by safety at stop signs and red lights. When we do not, it is because we deem it safe (at some red lights safer than waiting for turning traffic - a similar motive to some jaywalking pedestrians btw)

Now the rider has to work again to get back to their preferred cruising speed.

Ive never heard an actual cyclist refer to this term.

It has real consequences. You are literally causing them to exert themselves harder than they should, all because you are a self absorbed jerk.

I know people who seek out hills. One reason though I do not want to lose momentum is precisely because if I do, and go more slowly on an uphill, I will get honked at more and that is uncomfortable. Someone who actually rode in the city would know that.

This is why so many riders have taken to screaming at or buzzing pedestrians.

Really, I don't see that. Not at crosswalks certainly. Hell, Ive even learned to just shrug my shoulders at the folks who walk in bike lanes.

Disgusting

sock puppeting is indeed disgusting. as is your obsession with nerds,