Who Are the Annoying People Who Ride Their Bikes on River Road During Morning Rush Hour???

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DDOT has steadily added bike lanes, and other forms of traffic calming. They have several studies going on of additional traffic calming changes. They have a LOT of traffic cameras. DC Council has passed a vision zero plan, has altereted "contributory negligence" to provide protections to cyclists and pedestrians.

http://www.dcvisionzero.com/

DC's Vision Zero plan is really not bad. I wish that Montgomery County had something as good.

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Anonymous wrote:Bikers are disgusting and the entitlement and lack of concern they show for others is truly staggering.

Because?

Because they block major thoroughfares knowing full well the vast number of people it will inconvenience and cause to be late.

Cyclists overall result in less congestion on thoroughfares. The small amount of riding that involves taking the lane on fast roads is dwarfed by the amount of bike commuting on trails, in bike lanes, on streets with low speed limits. Much of the bike commuting that does occur on streets with higher speed limits happens at times when congestion means motor vehicles move so slowly, bikes can easily keep up - indeed one of the advantages of bike lanes is the ability to safely scoot around stopped traffic.

I have zero issue with bicyclists that sack to bike lanes and trails. That's fine. What becomes a problem is when you are commuting in lanes where the speed is higher than you, on your bike, can reach- inconveniencing drivers, especially at a crucial time like rush hour. Have some awareness and empathy for those around you and don't bike down major thoroughfares.

Please tell me how I should get from Holton Arms area to Downtown DC on a bike without going on River Road for part of it.

That's up to you to figure out, you little creep.

"little", "nerd", "creep"? Does Donald Trump post here?

Lets have compassion. With the Admin going down the drain, and the Big Cheeto himself praising Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Shumer (a tough old woman and a nerdy Jew) PP must have a lot to feel bad about.

Hahaha.

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Anonymous wrote:The bicyclist who is on the spectrum is making the same argument made by those who insist they can legally drive 55 mph in the far left lane on the Beltway. Sure, you can legally do that, but not safely, and that's the problem with cyclists on Wisconsin Ave at rush hour. Tone deaf.

You cannot legally do that, actually. Slower traffic is legally required to keep right on highways.

Wouldn't it be great if people "advocating for drivers" actually knew the laws about driving?

Are you arguing that drivers should not be annoyed with cyclists on major arteries during rush hour, simply because those cyclists have a legal right to be there? If so, you do not understand annoyance.

I am arguing that someone who does not understand the law about using the passing lane on highways perhaps is not an expert on road usage.

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Anonymous wrote:The bicyclist who is on the spectrum is making the same argument made by those who insist they can legally drive 55 mph in the far left lane on the Beltway. Sure, you can legally do that, but not safely, and that's the problem with cyclists on Wisconsin Ave at rush hour. Tone deaf.

You cannot legally do that, actually. Slower traffic is legally required to keep right on highways.

Wouldn't it be great if people "advocating for drivers" actually knew the laws about driving?

Are we talking about law, custom or safety here? At what speed is a care considered a part of slower traffic and required to keep right? Please tell me the VA or MD statute that defines this. Thanks.

http://wavy.com/2017/06/29/new-law-solidifies-fine-for-slow-drivers-in-left-lane/

The law in Virginia is you must be passing to use the left lane - IE you must be faster than the traffic in the lanes to the right. There is no absolute minimum, it is relative.

Apparently this is not yet the law in Maryland, making it one of only 5 states where it is not the law.

PP might support the efforts to make it the law in Md.

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DDOT has steadily added bike lanes, and other forms of traffic calming. They have several studies going on of additional traffic calming changes. They have a LOT of traffic cameras. DC Council has passed a vision zero plan, has altereted "contributory negligence" to provide protections to cyclists and pedestrians.

http://www.dcvisionzero.com/

DC's Vision Zero plan is really not bad. I wish that Montgomery County had something as good.

Montgomery is still working on their plan, I think.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments by cyclists in this thread makes me hate cyclists more than I ever thought possible. The entitled smugness is just boundless. I used to be sort of indifferent to them, but now that I think about all the times I've seen them blow through redlights or stop signs, then post here how it's no big thing and deflect the issue saying drivers run redlights too.... you know what? I've never seen a car drive along the shoulder past other traffic waiting for a light, and then drive through the light forcing other cars to avoid them. But I see cyclists do it all the time. Then I read some of them on this thread, it infuriates me. I hate them. HATE them!

I am confused - is your problem behavior at stop signs, or is it filtering to the right?

Filtering to the right is legal and in many places makes traffic work better. In particular I can use it to get to a bike lane, or a right turn, and get out of the way of motor vehicles. I don't filter in places where I am going to have to stay in the general lanes, and will only need to be passed again.

Treating stop signs as yield signs is not legal in the US outside Idaho and Colorado - but it is much like cars going a couple of MPH over the limit - its not really a big deal. Thats not smugness, its reality. The fact is that all types of transportation system users - drivers, cyclists, and walkers, violate the law. In ways that are specific to their mode. Maybe we should discourage that, but its not a reason to hate them as a class.

I also note again, one difference is that most cyclists have driven cars (or even do so regularly) and all walk. While most drivers and pedestrians have never ridden in traffic, and don't actually understand what we do.

Are you on the spectrum?

Yes.

Thank you, I understand now. You may not understand why your logic isn't swaying people then.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so annoying. Then when you are finally able to pass them, they act as though they are so focused and start pedaling furiously. You KNOW it's rush hour and you're inconveniencing people in cars going to work or other places. Yet, you, in your specialness, you think, "Hey, it's 8:00/9:00, let me go get my bikey wikey and ride down one of the busiest streets I can find. If you have time to ride at this hour, then obviously, you don't have to be at work at that hour like the rest of us do! Just go another time.

The ones who have every right to be there, you stupid, selfish POS.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so annoying. Then when you are finally able to pass them, they act as though they are so focused and start pedaling furiously. You KNOW it's rush hour and you're inconveniencing people in cars going to work or other places. Yet, you, in your specialness, you think, "Hey, it's 8:00/9:00, let me go get my bikey wikey and ride down one of the busiest streets I can find. If you have time to ride at this hour, then obviously, you don't have to be at work at that hour like the rest of us do! Just go another time.

The ones who have every right to be there, you stupid, selfish POS.

The cyclists are the stupid, selfish, holier than thou POS.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so annoying. Then when you are finally able to pass them, they act as though they are so focused and start pedaling furiously. You KNOW it's rush hour and you're inconveniencing people in cars going to work or other places. Yet, you, in your specialness, you think, "Hey, it's 8:00/9:00, let me go get my bikey wikey and ride down one of the busiest streets I can find. If you have time to ride at this hour, then obviously, you don't have to be at work at that hour like the rest of us do! Just go another time.

The ones who have every right to be there, you stupid, selfish POS.

The cyclists are the stupid, selfish, holier than thou POS.

Asymmetry alert. PP called names only at you, based on your post. You however are calling out ALL cyclists (even the ones you claim to like, you know the ones who never leave the trails, who ride miles out of their way to use quiet streets, the timid ones on the sidewalks, etc)

I guess the trolling is better with a wider net.

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Unfortunate for you, not for us. But think you think it's so unfortunate, try riding on the paths DESIGNED FOR YOU, like a bike path.

But maybe that's a great idea- I'll start lobbying to get to cruise my SUV down the crescent trail. Or at least a golf cart. I'll hang out in the center, cruising at about 8mph, blocking the path, and you can see how you like it.

As for your last line- too bad. It's happening. Deal with it, eh?

You're telling me to deal with the fact that there are drivers who engage in dangerous and illegal behavior.

I do deal with it, every day, unfortunately. Mostly as a driver. It's indefensible.

I'm glad to hear that. And you all will get pushback until you can learn to be considerate of others. Enjoy the honking and swerving. Lol.

I, personally, don't define "consideration" as GTFOOMW. Maybe you do. I wish that you didn't, though. You're endangering everybody who uses the road, including your fellow drivers.

NP. 1. The more carbon monoxide that sits as a result of the biker holding up traffic, the more the biker is endangering the health of those who live along River Road.

2. A Previous poster indicated her husband lost weight and went off his anti-depressants due to his daily bike ride. Is it possible this biker is acting dangerously?

3. I love the biker who wears the sign on his back "PASS 3 FT" and has a GoPro then, passes dangerously my car close at the red light. He looks like he's having fun and I worry about him.

4. I bet the aggressive SUV poster has some kind of immunity. No one with something to lose would threaten to assault a bike rider, post after post, no matter how annoying the bike rider is.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments by cyclists in this thread makes me hate cyclists more than I ever thought possible. The entitled smugness is just boundless. I used to be sort of indifferent to them, but now that I think about all the times I've seen them blow through redlights or stop signs, then post here how it's no big thing and deflect the issue saying drivers run redlights too.... you know what? I've never seen a car drive along the shoulder past other traffic waiting for a light, and then drive through the light forcing other cars to avoid them. But I see cyclists do it all the time. Then I read some of them on this thread, it infuriates me. I hate them. HATE them!

I am confused - is your problem behavior at stop signs, or is it filtering to the right?

Filtering to the right is legal and in many places makes traffic work better. In particular I can use it to get to a bike lane, or a right turn, and get out of the way of motor vehicles. I don't filter in places where I am going to have to stay in the general lanes, and will only need to be passed again.

Treating stop signs as yield signs is not legal in the US outside Idaho and Colorado - but it is much like cars going a couple of MPH over the limit - its not really a big deal. Thats not smugness, its reality. The fact is that all types of transportation system users - drivers, cyclists, and walkers, violate the law. In ways that are specific to their mode. Maybe we should discourage that, but its not a reason to hate them as a class.

I also note again, one difference is that most cyclists have driven cars (or even do so regularly) and all walk. While most drivers and pedestrians have never ridden in traffic, and don't actually understand what we do.

Are you on the spectrum?

Yes.

Thank you, I understand now. You may not understand why your logic isn't swaying people then.

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Each cyclist puts their own life in the hands of every driver that passes them. I don't cycle because I can't trust that many people.

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Anonymous wrote:Each cyclist puts their own life in the hands of every driver that passes them. I don't cycle because I can't trust that many people.

Mebbe so, but the reality is, unless you are disciplined enough to get equivalent exercise elsewhere, you are extending your life expectancy by riding.

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Anonymous wrote:Each cyclist puts their own life in the hands of every driver that passes them. I don't cycle because I can't trust that many people.

Do you also never cross the street as a pedestrian? Putting your life in the hands of drivers.
Do you drive on a highway? Also putting your life in the hands of drivers.

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Whelp, the cyclists are here again.