The state of MCPS is atrocious

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The current state of MCPS would actually be fine if it didn’t cost 3 billion plus a YEAR and much of it in things that don’t affect current classroom - defined (overly generous) pensions and (overly generous) healthcare, largely for their retirees. I think if this place offered the same (low) quality of school at 1/2 property tax DCUM wouldn’t like the ego hit but would be fine with it — because they would have more money for Larlo’s supplementation.

I hate how teachers and retired teachers insist on compensation and health insurance coverage. The nerve of 'em!

/s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The current state of MCPS would actually be fine if it didn’t cost 3 billion plus a YEAR and much of it in things that don’t affect current classroom - defined (overly generous) pensions and (overly generous) healthcare, largely for their retirees. I think if this place offered the same (low) quality of school at 1/2 property tax DCUM wouldn’t like the ego hit but would be fine with it — because they would have more money for Larlo’s supplementation.

I hate how teachers and retired teachers insist on compensation and health insurance coverage. The nerve of 'em!

/s

It’s mostly admin and you know it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The current state of MCPS would actually be fine if it didn’t cost 3 billion plus a YEAR and much of it in things that don’t affect current classroom - defined (overly generous) pensions and (overly generous) healthcare, largely for their retirees. I think if this place offered the same (low) quality of school at 1/2 property tax DCUM wouldn’t like the ego hit but would be fine with it — because they would have more money for Larlo’s supplementation.

I hate how teachers and retired teachers insist on compensation and health insurance coverage. The nerve of 'em!

/s

It’s mostly admin and you know it.

It's mostly teachers and you know it. MCPS has:

13,994 professional (includes teachers) - 55.5%
9,741 supporting services - 38.6%
755 people in business operations/administrative - 3.0%
99 administrative - 0.4%

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/about/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The current state of MCPS would actually be fine if it didn’t cost 3 billion plus a YEAR and much of it in things that don’t affect current classroom - defined (overly generous) pensions and (overly generous) healthcare, largely for their retirees. I think if this place offered the same (low) quality of school at 1/2 property tax DCUM wouldn’t like the ego hit but would be fine with it — because they would have more money for Larlo’s supplementation.

I hate how teachers and retired teachers insist on compensation and health insurance coverage. The nerve of 'em!

/s

It’s mostly admin and you know it.

It's mostly teachers and you know it. MCPS has:

13,994 professional (includes teachers) - 55.5%
9,741 supporting services - 38.6%
755 people in business operations/administrative - 3.0%
99 administrative - 0.4%

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/about/

That tells me nothing about how expenses are divided up. Please tell me you don’t teach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the people who think mcps is fine are more likely to be: parents of typical kids, parents in w clusters, parents who don't know any better for various reasons, and parents who are coming from even worse school systems.

I think the people who think MCPS is fine are more likely to be:

1. Parents of neurotypical kids
2. Parents who are able to keep things in perspective

Does MCPS have problems? Yes. Do I have the time and energy to waste on expecting perfection from MCPS? No. But you do you.

+1. I add :

1. People capable of doing math to realize what it would take to get what parents and politicians expect/say vs what they are willing to fund

2. People who recognize it could be worse(much worse)

3. People who know DCUM complaints don’t equal the greater population of MoCo. And if it does, we’d see much greater parental involvement in schools, community and BOE election and oversight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the people who think mcps is fine are more likely to be: parents of typical kids, parents in w clusters, parents who don't know any better for various reasons, and parents who are coming from even worse school systems.

I think the people who think MCPS is fine are more likely to be:

1. Parents of neurotypical kids
2. Parents who are able to keep things in perspective

Does MCPS have problems? Yes. Do I have the time and energy to waste on expecting perfection from MCPS? No. But you do you.

+1. I add :

1. People capable of doing math to realize what it would take to get what parents and politicians expect/say vs what they are willing to fund

2. People who recognize it could be worse(much worse)

3. People who know DCUM complaints don’t equal the greater population of MoCo. And if it does, we’d see much greater parental involvement in schools, community and BOE election and oversight.

If you have this attitude, can afford private school, and still send your kids to MCPS, then I feel sorry for your kids. Saying “well, it could be worse” is hardly an acceptable educational standard for your kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The current state of MCPS would actually be fine if it didn’t cost 3 billion plus a YEAR and much of it in things that don’t affect current classroom - defined (overly generous) pensions and (overly generous) healthcare, largely for their retirees. I think if this place offered the same (low) quality of school at 1/2 property tax DCUM wouldn’t like the ego hit but would be fine with it — because they would have more money for Larlo’s supplementation.

I hate how teachers and retired teachers insist on compensation and health insurance coverage. The nerve of 'em!

/s

It’s mostly admin and you know it.

It's mostly teachers and you know it. MCPS has:

13,994 professional (includes teachers) - 55.5%
9,741 supporting services - 38.6%
755 people in business operations/administrative - 3.0%
99 administrative - 0.4%

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/about/

That tells me nothing about how expenses are divided up. Please tell me you don’t teach.

That tells you who the employees are. When you're complaining about compensation, pensions, and health insurance, you're complaining about funding for people. Well, that's who the people are: 55.5% professional (including teachers), 38.6% supporting services, 3.0% business operations/administrative, 0.4% administrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the people who think mcps is fine are more likely to be: parents of typical kids, parents in w clusters, parents who don't know any better for various reasons, and parents who are coming from even worse school systems.

I think the people who think MCPS is fine are more likely to be:

1. Parents of neurotypical kids
2. Parents who are able to keep things in perspective

Does MCPS have problems? Yes. Do I have the time and energy to waste on expecting perfection from MCPS? No. But you do you.

+1. I add :

1. People capable of doing math to realize what it would take to get what parents and politicians expect/say vs what they are willing to fund

2. People who recognize it could be worse(much worse)

3. People who know DCUM complaints don’t equal the greater population of MoCo. And if it does, we’d see much greater parental involvement in schools, community and BOE election and oversight.

I am very grateful for this. Imagine if they did!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The current state of MCPS would actually be fine if it didn’t cost 3 billion plus a YEAR and much of it in things that don’t affect current classroom - defined (overly generous) pensions and (overly generous) healthcare, largely for their retirees. I think if this place offered the same (low) quality of school at 1/2 property tax DCUM wouldn’t like the ego hit but would be fine with it — because they would have more money for Larlo’s supplementation.

I hate how teachers and retired teachers insist on compensation and health insurance coverage. The nerve of 'em!

/s

It’s mostly admin and you know it.

It's mostly teachers and you know it. MCPS has:

13,994 professional (includes teachers) - 55.5%
9,741 supporting services - 38.6%
755 people in business operations/administrative - 3.0%
99 administrative - 0.4%

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/about/

That tells me nothing about how expenses are divided up. Please tell me you don’t teach.

That tells you who the employees are. When you're complaining about compensation, pensions, and health insurance, you're complaining about funding for people. Well, that's who the people are: 55.5% professional (including teachers), 38.6% supporting services, 3.0% business operations/administrative, 0.4% administrative.

I want to know who gets the bulk of the compensation funds. Your breakdown doesn’t tell me that.

This is basic stuff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a Title One elementary school in MCPS. Our behaviors are off the charts this year. I honestly don't know how our admin continues to come to work each day. They constantly have kids in their offices. Even our staff development teacher, reading specialist, math coach AND both counselors are constantly with kids displaying behavior issues or eloping class. Admin can't suspend kids for running the halls, even in elementary school. I feel bad for our core team above because they can't do their actual jobs as they basically play security all day. I have some difficult kids but at least I can close my classroom door and ignore the chaos that's unfolding in rooms across the school.
Parents need to wake up and start parenting their kids rather than ignoring them on their phones or trying to be their friend. I applaud all of you who are trying your best to do right by your kids. Raise hell with the county council and board of ed. Your neighborhood school's principal can't do anything to make the changes we need to see.

You all need to work with the parents and let them know what's going on and have parents come in and volunteer and help vs. complaining. This isn't something new. Even before covid, may schools were closed to parents and yet, the teachers and admin complained bitterly about the parents. We cannot help if we don't know what's going on. Kids behave differently so they may be behaving at home and not school so if that's the situation it's on the teachers to communicate. We'd email the teachers and rarely get a response back.

Are you kidding me? At our focus school, we reach out non-stop to parents who do not answer, cut off their phones or give the wrong number, do not come in, say they will come in and do not show up or even call to cancel. For parent-teacher conferences, out of 17 kids, only 7 showed up. For the ones that did not, I sent home detailed reports outlining successes and areas that are in need of work in English and Spanish. I got no response. Not 1! Then, I actively called all the rest of the parents and was able to meet over the phone with 3 more. That is 10/17. My class had only 4 children out of 17 that were on or above grade level!!! I send home work and reading bags and nothing comes back. I advertise for parents to help out in the classroom, come on field trips, come join in on family storytime, send in pictures of their families for our family wall, etc. The list can go on and on. I get maybe 3% response. How am I supposed to feel? i put in 100% of my effort into my class and my kids. I track data, work tirelessly to correct behaviors gently and push them to be successful. I send pictures and updates to the class on remind through the parents phones so they can at least be a silent witness to their child's education and I only get 4 parents who have responded at all. Seriously! Parents need to step up! Stop having kids that you do not intend to even care about or try to raise. And, i do not want to hear excuses. I am a Mom of two myself, tutor, teach and coach and keep an immaculate house by myself. My kids have always scored well above average and one is in the top of her class in a magnet. We read everyday as a family for 30 minutes, I help with homework, and even take off one morning twice a year to volunteer at my kid's school. Most of my parents stay at home or work part-time so I am not even sure why they are not able to volunteer or answer my phone calls. I am not unique. This story is not unique. At a teacher conference that I was presenting in, almost all school face the same issues and can write the same stories. I will not even talk about the behavior because it is insane and not worth talking about. Teachers did not create this mess and are tired of getting blamed for it and giving up valuable teaching time for central office to wrack our brains about the mess and how we need to clean it up when we just follow the rules that are set and try our hardest (well, most of us). It is going to take everybody (government, parents and county admin) to clean this mess up. This is my last year, as I am working on switching careers. I know I will be missed because I am a phenomenal teacher and have many parents that I have worked with to help their children with over the years that have continued to share their child's success with me. I know I have made a difference but it is time to move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The current state of MCPS would actually be fine if it didn’t cost 3 billion plus a YEAR and much of it in things that don’t affect current classroom - defined (overly generous) pensions and (overly generous) healthcare, largely for their retirees. I think if this place offered the same (low) quality of school at 1/2 property tax DCUM wouldn’t like the ego hit but would be fine with it — because they would have more money for Larlo’s supplementation.

I hate how teachers and retired teachers insist on compensation and health insurance coverage. The nerve of 'em!

/s

It’s mostly admin and you know it.

It's mostly teachers and you know it. MCPS has:

13,994 professional (includes teachers) - 55.5%
9,741 supporting services - 38.6%
755 people in business operations/administrative - 3.0%
99 administrative - 0.4%

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/about/

That tells me nothing about how expenses are divided up. Please tell me you don’t teach.

That tells you who the employees are. When you're complaining about compensation, pensions, and health insurance, you're complaining about funding for people. Well, that's who the people are: 55.5% professional (including teachers), 38.6% supporting services, 3.0% business operations/administrative, 0.4% administrative.

I want to know who gets the bulk of the compensation funds. Your breakdown doesn’t tell me that.

This is basic stuff.

Of course it does. The bulk of the compensation funds goes to the bulk of the employees, which is the professional (including teachers) staff. Would you think the bulk of the compensation funds (assuming bulk = >50%) goes to 0.4% of the employees?

But you don't have to take my word for it! You can look at the MCPS operating budget tables. For positions, in dollars, for FY 2022 actual:

Professional (including teachers): $1,204,487,534 (69.8%)
Supporting services: $399,532,368 (23.2%)
Business/Operations Admin: $9,955,354 (0.6%)
Administrative: $111,473,903 (6.5%)
Total: $1,725,449,159

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/budget/fy2024/fy2024_summarybudget_final.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The current state of MCPS would actually be fine if it didn’t cost 3 billion plus a YEAR and much of it in things that don’t affect current classroom - defined (overly generous) pensions and (overly generous) healthcare, largely for their retirees. I think if this place offered the same (low) quality of school at 1/2 property tax DCUM wouldn’t like the ego hit but would be fine with it — because they would have more money for Larlo’s supplementation.

I hate how teachers and retired teachers insist on compensation and health insurance coverage. The nerve of 'em!

/s

It’s mostly admin and you know it.

It's mostly teachers and you know it. MCPS has:

13,994 professional (includes teachers) - 55.5%
9,741 supporting services - 38.6%
755 people in business operations/administrative - 3.0%
99 administrative - 0.4%

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/about/

That tells me nothing about how expenses are divided up. Please tell me you don’t teach.

That tells you who the employees are. When you're complaining about compensation, pensions, and health insurance, you're complaining about funding for people. Well, that's who the people are: 55.5% professional (including teachers), 38.6% supporting services, 3.0% business operations/administrative, 0.4% administrative.

I want to know who gets the bulk of the compensation funds. Your breakdown doesn’t tell me that.

This is basic stuff.

Of course it does. The bulk of the compensation funds goes to the bulk of the employees, which is the professional (including teachers) staff. Would you think the bulk of the compensation funds (assuming bulk = >50%) goes to 0.4% of the employees?

But you don't have to take my word for it! You can look at the MCPS operating budget tables. For positions, in dollars, for FY 2022 actual:

Professional (including teachers): $1,204,487,534 (69.8%)
Supporting services: $399,532,368 (23.2%)
Business/Operations Admin: $9,955,354 (0.6%)
Administrative: $111,473,903 (6.5%)
Total: $1,725,449,159

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/budget/fy2024/fy2024_summarybudget_final.pdf

That proves my point. Admin is 0.4% of MCPS employees and yet receives 6.5% of the compensation budget.

[Anonymous]

Just because the school in your hood declined do not speak for all of us in MoCo. Our school is awesome and our kids are awesome. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just because the school in your hood declined do not speak for all of us in MoCo. Our school is awesome and our kids are awesome. Thanks!

Hood? Be careful there, Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:The current state of MCPS would actually be fine if it didn’t cost 3 billion plus a YEAR and much of it in things that don’t affect current classroom - defined (overly generous) pensions and (overly generous) healthcare, largely for their retirees. I think if this place offered the same (low) quality of school at 1/2 property tax DCUM wouldn’t like the ego hit but would be fine with it — because they would have more money for Larlo’s supplementation.

I hate how teachers and retired teachers insist on compensation and health insurance coverage. The nerve of 'em!

/s

It’s mostly admin and you know it.

It's mostly teachers and you know it. MCPS has:

13,994 professional (includes teachers) - 55.5%
9,741 supporting services - 38.6%
755 people in business operations/administrative - 3.0%
99 administrative - 0.4%

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/about/

That tells me nothing about how expenses are divided up. Please tell me you don’t teach.

That tells you who the employees are. When you're complaining about compensation, pensions, and health insurance, you're complaining about funding for people. Well, that's who the people are: 55.5% professional (including teachers), 38.6% supporting services, 3.0% business operations/administrative, 0.4% administrative.

I want to know who gets the bulk of the compensation funds. Your breakdown doesn’t tell me that.

This is basic stuff.

Of course it does. The bulk of the compensation funds goes to the bulk of the employees, which is the professional (including teachers) staff. Would you think the bulk of the compensation funds (assuming bulk = >50%) goes to 0.4% of the employees?

But you don't have to take my word for it! You can look at the MCPS operating budget tables. For positions, in dollars, for FY 2022 actual:

Professional (including teachers): $1,204,487,534 (69.8%)
Supporting services: $399,532,368 (23.2%)
Business/Operations Admin: $9,955,354 (0.6%)
Administrative: $111,473,903 (6.5%)
Total: $1,725,449,159

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/budget/fy2024/fy2024_summarybudget_final.pdf

That proves my point. Admin is 0.4% of MCPS employees and yet receives 6.5% of the compensation budget.

DP no it doesn't. You said "it's mostly admin and you know it". 6.5% is not "mostly" and of you got rid of all admin it would still be a drop in the bucket.