Drag Queen Story Hours

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

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The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

You mean gendered? Sure.

Sexual as in sexy? No.

This exactly. They're conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. The attacks on drag are about sexualizing everything. That drag queen has clearly not sexualized anything. She has appropriated the female form with prosthetics which is the female sex as well as the gender woman. But she isn't sexualizing her costume which seems to be what people are concerned about. Or so they say at least. I'm pretty sure that picture was taken in Maryland the Olney library. In which case, people are trying to decide what Maryland law should be based on their morals as well as what parents should be allowed to do with their kids (take them to DQSH). At the end of the day, I honestly think a lot of these people would be happier in Florida or Texas or some Kansas where the rest of the population largely agrees with their values. That's not the case in Maryland.

Except there are examples of DQSH that have been overtly sexualized. Obviously not the majority of DQSH, but the bad incidents get lots of coverage. Some people are reacting to clips they've seen of a DQ twerking in front of kids at a library, or the more highly publicized incident of a DQ flashing his genitals under his skirt while reading to the kids. There are other examples, but there seems to be no litmus test for what is and isn't age appropriate.

I am firmly against taking kids to DQSH and consider drag to be sexist minstrelry, but please do not spread incorrect information. The incident regarding the “flasher” did not involve showing genitals. It did involve a man wearing a very short skirt with tights on, sitting on a chair, reading to kids who were eye level to his knees. The tights fully covered his genitals, though. It is important to note that the drag queen was not arrested or charged with anything, which he would have been if there had been an exposure.

I think the choice of outfit was highly inappropriate but would have been for both men and women.

What’s wrong with them dressing like that?

You actually have to ask why it is inappropriate to have children sitting a few feet away from where they look directly into someone’s crotch? You have to ask why it is inappropriate for anyone—man or woman—to sit such that their underwear is in the face of young kids?

You can see the photos of the event in question. Search for Hennepin County drag queen story hour. If you think that is appropriate, we definitely have different views of children’s boundaries.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

+1

The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

You mean gendered? Sure.

Sexual as in sexy? No.

This exactly. They're conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. The attacks on drag are about sexualizing everything. That drag queen has clearly not sexualized anything. She has appropriated the female form with prosthetics which is the female sex as well as the gender woman. But she isn't sexualizing her costume which seems to be what people are concerned about. Or so they say at least. I'm pretty sure that picture was taken in Maryland the Olney library. In which case, people are trying to decide what Maryland law should be based on their morals as well as what parents should be allowed to do with their kids (take them to DQSH). At the end of the day, I honestly think a lot of these people would be happier in Florida or Texas or some Kansas where the rest of the population largely agrees with their values. That's not the case in Maryland.

Except there are examples of DQSH that have been overtly sexualized. Obviously not the majority of DQSH, but the bad incidents get lots of coverage. Some people are reacting to clips they've seen of a DQ twerking in front of kids at a library, or the more highly publicized incident of a DQ flashing his genitals under his skirt while reading to the kids. There are other examples, but there seems to be no litmus test for what is and isn't age appropriate.

I am firmly against taking kids to DQSH and consider drag to be sexist minstrelry, but please do not spread incorrect information. The incident regarding the “flasher” did not involve showing genitals. It did involve a man wearing a very short skirt with tights on, sitting on a chair, reading to kids who were eye level to his knees. The tights fully covered his genitals, though. It is important to note that the drag queen was not arrested or charged with anything, which he would have been if there had been an exposure.

I think the choice of outfit was highly inappropriate but would have been for both men and women.

What’s wrong with them dressing like that?

You actually have to ask why it is inappropriate to have children sitting a few feet away from where they look directly into someone’s crotch? You have to ask why it is inappropriate for anyone—man or woman—to sit such that their underwear is in the face of young kids?

You can see the photos of the event in question. Search for Hennepin County drag queen story hour. If you think that is appropriate, we definitely have different views of children’s boundaries.

It sounds like an unfortunate faux pas that could happen to anyone wearing a skirt, male or female, drag queen or not. The problem was with the positioning of the reader and the kids, not the outfit, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

+1

The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

Huh? Women wear fake boobs all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

+1

The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

Huh? Women wear fake boobs all the time.

Women rarely wear prosthetic breasts absent breast cancer or some illness. Come on. Surely you aren’t truly this dense.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

+1

The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

You mean gendered? Sure.

Sexual as in sexy? No.

This exactly. They're conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. The attacks on drag are about sexualizing everything. That drag queen has clearly not sexualized anything. She has appropriated the female form with prosthetics which is the female sex as well as the gender woman. But she isn't sexualizing her costume which seems to be what people are concerned about. Or so they say at least. I'm pretty sure that picture was taken in Maryland the Olney library. In which case, people are trying to decide what Maryland law should be based on their morals as well as what parents should be allowed to do with their kids (take them to DQSH). At the end of the day, I honestly think a lot of these people would be happier in Florida or Texas or some Kansas where the rest of the population largely agrees with their values. That's not the case in Maryland.

Except there are examples of DQSH that have been overtly sexualized. Obviously not the majority of DQSH, but the bad incidents get lots of coverage. Some people are reacting to clips they've seen of a DQ twerking in front of kids at a library, or the more highly publicized incident of a DQ flashing his genitals under his skirt while reading to the kids. There are other examples, but there seems to be no litmus test for what is and isn't age appropriate.

I am firmly against taking kids to DQSH and consider drag to be sexist minstrelry, but please do not spread incorrect information. The incident regarding the “flasher” did not involve showing genitals. It did involve a man wearing a very short skirt with tights on, sitting on a chair, reading to kids who were eye level to his knees. The tights fully covered his genitals, though. It is important to note that the drag queen was not arrested or charged with anything, which he would have been if there had been an exposure.

I think the choice of outfit was highly inappropriate but would have been for both men and women.

What’s wrong with them dressing like that?

You actually have to ask why it is inappropriate to have children sitting a few feet away from where they look directly into someone’s crotch? You have to ask why it is inappropriate for anyone—man or woman—to sit such that their underwear is in the face of young kids?

You can see the photos of the event in question. Search for Hennepin County drag queen story hour. If you think that is appropriate, we definitely have different views of children’s boundaries.

It sounds like an unfortunate faux pas that could happen to anyone wearing a skirt, male or female, drag queen or not. The problem was with the positioning of the reader and the kids, not the outfit, of course.

Man. You will say anything to defend clearly inappropriate behavior. Crazy.

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Anyone defending this is probably a bad parent

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Weird that parents are ok with teaching children to mock women.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone defending this is probably a bad parent

Absolutism is a horrible trait.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

+1

The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

You mean gendered? Sure.

Sexual as in sexy? No.

This exactly. They're conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. The attacks on drag are about sexualizing everything. That drag queen has clearly not sexualized anything. She has appropriated the female form with prosthetics which is the female sex as well as the gender woman. But she isn't sexualizing her costume which seems to be what people are concerned about. Or so they say at least. I'm pretty sure that picture was taken in Maryland the Olney library. In which case, people are trying to decide what Maryland law should be based on their morals as well as what parents should be allowed to do with their kids (take them to DQSH). At the end of the day, I honestly think a lot of these people would be happier in Florida or Texas or some Kansas where the rest of the population largely agrees with their values. That's not the case in Maryland.

Except there are examples of DQSH that have been overtly sexualized. Obviously not the majority of DQSH, but the bad incidents get lots of coverage. Some people are reacting to clips they've seen of a DQ twerking in front of kids at a library, or the more highly publicized incident of a DQ flashing his genitals under his skirt while reading to the kids. There are other examples, but there seems to be no litmus test for what is and isn't age appropriate.

I am firmly against taking kids to DQSH and consider drag to be sexist minstrelry, but please do not spread incorrect information. The incident regarding the “flasher” did not involve showing genitals. It did involve a man wearing a very short skirt with tights on, sitting on a chair, reading to kids who were eye level to his knees. The tights fully covered his genitals, though. It is important to note that the drag queen was not arrested or charged with anything, which he would have been if there had been an exposure.

I think the choice of outfit was highly inappropriate but would have been for both men and women.

What’s wrong with them dressing like that?

You actually have to ask why it is inappropriate to have children sitting a few feet away from where they look directly into someone’s crotch? You have to ask why it is inappropriate for anyone—man or woman—to sit such that their underwear is in the face of young kids?

You can see the photos of the event in question. Search for Hennepin County drag queen story hour. If you think that is appropriate, we definitely have different views of children’s boundaries.

It sounds like an unfortunate faux pas that could happen to anyone wearing a skirt, male or female, drag queen or not. The problem was with the positioning of the reader and the kids, not the outfit, of course.

Man. You will say anything to defend clearly inappropriate behavior. Crazy.

Sadly it’s not surprising. Some of these super leftists will literally do anything to defend inappropriate behavior, as long as it makes them look tolerant and accepting. It’s like a cult.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

+1

The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

You mean gendered? Sure.

Sexual as in sexy? No.

This exactly. They're conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. The attacks on drag are about sexualizing everything. That drag queen has clearly not sexualized anything. She has appropriated the female form with prosthetics which is the female sex as well as the gender woman. But she isn't sexualizing her costume which seems to be what people are concerned about. Or so they say at least. I'm pretty sure that picture was taken in Maryland the Olney library. In which case, people are trying to decide what Maryland law should be based on their morals as well as what parents should be allowed to do with their kids (take them to DQSH). At the end of the day, I honestly think a lot of these people would be happier in Florida or Texas or some Kansas where the rest of the population largely agrees with their values. That's not the case in Maryland.

Except there are examples of DQSH that have been overtly sexualized. Obviously not the majority of DQSH, but the bad incidents get lots of coverage. Some people are reacting to clips they've seen of a DQ twerking in front of kids at a library, or the more highly publicized incident of a DQ flashing his genitals under his skirt while reading to the kids. There are other examples, but there seems to be no litmus test for what is and isn't age appropriate.

I am firmly against taking kids to DQSH and consider drag to be sexist minstrelry, but please do not spread incorrect information. The incident regarding the “flasher” did not involve showing genitals. It did involve a man wearing a very short skirt with tights on, sitting on a chair, reading to kids who were eye level to his knees. The tights fully covered his genitals, though. It is important to note that the drag queen was not arrested or charged with anything, which he would have been if there had been an exposure.

I think the choice of outfit was highly inappropriate but would have been for both men and women.

What’s wrong with them dressing like that?

You actually have to ask why it is inappropriate to have children sitting a few feet away from where they look directly into someone’s crotch? You have to ask why it is inappropriate for anyone—man or woman—to sit such that their underwear is in the face of young kids?

You can see the photos of the event in question. Search for Hennepin County drag queen story hour. If you think that is appropriate, we definitely have different views of children’s boundaries.

It sounds like an unfortunate faux pas that could happen to anyone wearing a skirt, male or female, drag queen or not. The problem was with the positioning of the reader and the kids, not the outfit, of course.

Man. You will say anything to defend clearly inappropriate behavior. Crazy.

A mistake isn't inappropriate behavior. Things happen.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

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The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

You mean gendered? Sure.

Sexual as in sexy? No.

This exactly. They're conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. The attacks on drag are about sexualizing everything. That drag queen has clearly not sexualized anything. She has appropriated the female form with prosthetics which is the female sex as well as the gender woman. But she isn't sexualizing her costume which seems to be what people are concerned about. Or so they say at least. I'm pretty sure that picture was taken in Maryland the Olney library. In which case, people are trying to decide what Maryland law should be based on their morals as well as what parents should be allowed to do with their kids (take them to DQSH). At the end of the day, I honestly think a lot of these people would be happier in Florida or Texas or some Kansas where the rest of the population largely agrees with their values. That's not the case in Maryland.

Except there are examples of DQSH that have been overtly sexualized. Obviously not the majority of DQSH, but the bad incidents get lots of coverage. Some people are reacting to clips they've seen of a DQ twerking in front of kids at a library, or the more highly publicized incident of a DQ flashing his genitals under his skirt while reading to the kids. There are other examples, but there seems to be no litmus test for what is and isn't age appropriate.

I am firmly against taking kids to DQSH and consider drag to be sexist minstrelry, but please do not spread incorrect information. The incident regarding the “flasher” did not involve showing genitals. It did involve a man wearing a very short skirt with tights on, sitting on a chair, reading to kids who were eye level to his knees. The tights fully covered his genitals, though. It is important to note that the drag queen was not arrested or charged with anything, which he would have been if there had been an exposure.

I think the choice of outfit was highly inappropriate but would have been for both men and women.

What’s wrong with them dressing like that?

You actually have to ask why it is inappropriate to have children sitting a few feet away from where they look directly into someone’s crotch? You have to ask why it is inappropriate for anyone—man or woman—to sit such that their underwear is in the face of young kids?

You can see the photos of the event in question. Search for Hennepin County drag queen story hour. If you think that is appropriate, we definitely have different views of children’s boundaries.

It sounds like an unfortunate faux pas that could happen to anyone wearing a skirt, male or female, drag queen or not. The problem was with the positioning of the reader and the kids, not the outfit, of course.

Man. You will say anything to defend clearly inappropriate behavior. Crazy.

A mistake isn't inappropriate behavior. Things happen.

My God. Crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

+1

The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

You mean gendered? Sure.

Sexual as in sexy? No.

This exactly. They're conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. The attacks on drag are about sexualizing everything. That drag queen has clearly not sexualized anything. She has appropriated the female form with prosthetics which is the female sex as well as the gender woman. But she isn't sexualizing her costume which seems to be what people are concerned about. Or so they say at least. I'm pretty sure that picture was taken in Maryland the Olney library. In which case, people are trying to decide what Maryland law should be based on their morals as well as what parents should be allowed to do with their kids (take them to DQSH). At the end of the day, I honestly think a lot of these people would be happier in Florida or Texas or some Kansas where the rest of the population largely agrees with their values. That's not the case in Maryland.

Except there are examples of DQSH that have been overtly sexualized. Obviously not the majority of DQSH, but the bad incidents get lots of coverage. Some people are reacting to clips they've seen of a DQ twerking in front of kids at a library, or the more highly publicized incident of a DQ flashing his genitals under his skirt while reading to the kids. There are other examples, but there seems to be no litmus test for what is and isn't age appropriate.

I am firmly against taking kids to DQSH and consider drag to be sexist minstrelry, but please do not spread incorrect information. The incident regarding the “flasher” did not involve showing genitals. It did involve a man wearing a very short skirt with tights on, sitting on a chair, reading to kids who were eye level to his knees. The tights fully covered his genitals, though. It is important to note that the drag queen was not arrested or charged with anything, which he would have been if there had been an exposure.

I think the choice of outfit was highly inappropriate but would have been for both men and women.

What’s wrong with them dressing like that?

You actually have to ask why it is inappropriate to have children sitting a few feet away from where they look directly into someone’s crotch? You have to ask why it is inappropriate for anyone—man or woman—to sit such that their underwear is in the face of young kids?

You can see the photos of the event in question. Search for Hennepin County drag queen story hour. If you think that is appropriate, we definitely have different views of children’s boundaries.

It sounds like an unfortunate faux pas that could happen to anyone wearing a skirt, male or female, drag queen or not. The problem was with the positioning of the reader and the kids, not the outfit, of course.

Man. You will say anything to defend clearly inappropriate behavior. Crazy.

A mistake isn't inappropriate behavior. Things happen.

My God. Crazy.

Have you never accidentally done something like that? I certainly have.

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

+1

The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

You mean gendered? Sure.

Sexual as in sexy? No.

This exactly. They're conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. The attacks on drag are about sexualizing everything. That drag queen has clearly not sexualized anything. She has appropriated the female form with prosthetics which is the female sex as well as the gender woman. But she isn't sexualizing her costume which seems to be what people are concerned about. Or so they say at least. I'm pretty sure that picture was taken in Maryland the Olney library. In which case, people are trying to decide what Maryland law should be based on their morals as well as what parents should be allowed to do with their kids (take them to DQSH). At the end of the day, I honestly think a lot of these people would be happier in Florida or Texas or some Kansas where the rest of the population largely agrees with their values. That's not the case in Maryland.

Except there are examples of DQSH that have been overtly sexualized. Obviously not the majority of DQSH, but the bad incidents get lots of coverage. Some people are reacting to clips they've seen of a DQ twerking in front of kids at a library, or the more highly publicized incident of a DQ flashing his genitals under his skirt while reading to the kids. There are other examples, but there seems to be no litmus test for what is and isn't age appropriate.

I am firmly against taking kids to DQSH and consider drag to be sexist minstrelry, but please do not spread incorrect information. The incident regarding the “flasher” did not involve showing genitals. It did involve a man wearing a very short skirt with tights on, sitting on a chair, reading to kids who were eye level to his knees. The tights fully covered his genitals, though. It is important to note that the drag queen was not arrested or charged with anything, which he would have been if there had been an exposure.

I think the choice of outfit was highly inappropriate but would have been for both men and women.

What’s wrong with them dressing like that?

You actually have to ask why it is inappropriate to have children sitting a few feet away from where they look directly into someone’s crotch? You have to ask why it is inappropriate for anyone—man or woman—to sit such that their underwear is in the face of young kids?

You can see the photos of the event in question. Search for Hennepin County drag queen story hour. If you think that is appropriate, we definitely have different views of children’s boundaries.

It sounds like an unfortunate faux pas that could happen to anyone wearing a skirt, male or female, drag queen or not. The problem was with the positioning of the reader and the kids, not the outfit, of course.

Man. You will say anything to defend clearly inappropriate behavior. Crazy.

Sadly it’s not surprising. Some of these super leftists will literally do anything to defend inappropriate behavior, as long as it makes them look tolerant and accepting. It’s like a cult.

I hadn't heard about this so I looked it up. Nothing happened. It wasn't inappropriate. Stop being so gullible.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/06/drag-queen-did-not-flash-kids-during-storytime-social-media-users-spread-bogus-tale.html

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Anonymous wrote:So if it is ok for men to dress up as exaggerated stereotypes of women then can white people (minus black face) dress in dreds, gold chains and slouchy clothes and mimic an AAVE dialect in an attempt to 'celebrate' black stereotypes?

Now hold up. First off, drag isn't naturally a an exaggerated stereotype, since there are plenty of real women who dress similarly. Further, tt's more akin to burlesque and it's a performance. As for the second part, tell me how that would play in a performance in a bar, club, or cabaret? What kind of show would that be?

Sasha Baren Cohen did something similar as Ali G, a British rap style dude, and it was okay, because it was a performance with a purpose and was fun.

Trying to equate minstrel shows with drag continuously is not a good argument, because your first premise would have to be that real women who dress like drag queens are offensive to all women.
See:

Women who dress over the top are offensive
Drag queens dress as over the top women.
Therefore, drag queens are offensive.

That's the only way to square that. Is this what you are arguing, or are you trying to pretend that there aren't woman who act and dress just like drag queens, which are whom they are performing as?

Thanks for that ridiculous straw man. The offensiveness is not because women don't like women who dress sexy. Drag is a performance that appropriates female sexuality. The offensiveness of drag is in its appropriation and performative reinterpretation (by males) of what it is to be female.

By this standard, all performance and acting is offensive.

How so?

All acting is a performative reinterpretation

Not all acting is appropriation that creates a caricature of a traditionally marginalized and oppressed group, representing that group via stereotypes that have been used to perpetuate their oppression.

+1

The “I guess NOBODY CAN ACT NOW” temper tantrum is just so tiresome.

Again then, women who dress this way, say Dolly Parton or Madonna or hell, Carmen Miranda--are you arguing that they are (were) helping to continue the oppression of women? They should just disappear then?

NP. "women who dress this way" is a dog whistle. You're actually categorizing women by their outfits instead of viewing them as real people.

The drag queen reading the book a few pages back was wearing a dress and a sweater. I'm not sure I would describe her costume as overly sexual.

Any male who wears fake breasts is by definition appropriating female physical secondary sexual characteristics. You may not describe her costume as overtly sexual but it is.

You mean gendered? Sure.

Sexual as in sexy? No.

This exactly. They're conflating sex, gender, and sexuality. The attacks on drag are about sexualizing everything. That drag queen has clearly not sexualized anything. She has appropriated the female form with prosthetics which is the female sex as well as the gender woman. But she isn't sexualizing her costume which seems to be what people are concerned about. Or so they say at least. I'm pretty sure that picture was taken in Maryland the Olney library. In which case, people are trying to decide what Maryland law should be based on their morals as well as what parents should be allowed to do with their kids (take them to DQSH). At the end of the day, I honestly think a lot of these people would be happier in Florida or Texas or some Kansas where the rest of the population largely agrees with their values. That's not the case in Maryland.

Except there are examples of DQSH that have been overtly sexualized. Obviously not the majority of DQSH, but the bad incidents get lots of coverage. Some people are reacting to clips they've seen of a DQ twerking in front of kids at a library, or the more highly publicized incident of a DQ flashing his genitals under his skirt while reading to the kids. There are other examples, but there seems to be no litmus test for what is and isn't age appropriate.

I am firmly against taking kids to DQSH and consider drag to be sexist minstrelry, but please do not spread incorrect information. The incident regarding the “flasher” did not involve showing genitals. It did involve a man wearing a very short skirt with tights on, sitting on a chair, reading to kids who were eye level to his knees. The tights fully covered his genitals, though. It is important to note that the drag queen was not arrested or charged with anything, which he would have been if there had been an exposure.

I think the choice of outfit was highly inappropriate but would have been for both men and women.

What’s wrong with them dressing like that?

You actually have to ask why it is inappropriate to have children sitting a few feet away from where they look directly into someone’s crotch? You have to ask why it is inappropriate for anyone—man or woman—to sit such that their underwear is in the face of young kids?

You can see the photos of the event in question. Search for Hennepin County drag queen story hour. If you think that is appropriate, we definitely have different views of children’s boundaries.

It sounds like an unfortunate faux pas that could happen to anyone wearing a skirt, male or female, drag queen or not. The problem was with the positioning of the reader and the kids, not the outfit, of course.

Man. You will say anything to defend clearly inappropriate behavior. Crazy.

A mistake isn't inappropriate behavior. Things happen.

My God. Crazy.

Have you never accidentally done something like that? I certainly have.

Then maybe you should not be around kids. No, I have never, ever sat in a super short mini skirt so that the eyes of young children had no choice but to look directly up my crotch.

You are honestly kind of scaring me.