FCYBL-is this allowed?

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Anonymous wrote:McLean is going to take home the trophy. This years team is far more talented than last years 7th grade team.

I meant more talented than last years 8th grade team.

Their 8th grade boys team last year was substantially bigger and better than every other D1 team and all the other D1 teams were good teams. Amazing that every 6'3 athletically gifted 8th grader in Fairfax lives in Mcleans zip codes.:::

The mclean 8th gr coach last year was the subject of one of the many poor sportsmanship reviews by the league and was suspended for 2 games after his team scored on their own basket on purpose to mock another team. Pretty gross.

Honestly if the league didnt allow so many special secret wink wink privileges to some coaches, they wouldn't have so many sportsmanship issues.

his team scored on their own basket

this is nonsense. it didn't happen. My son was on this team.

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The McLean 8th grade coach last year wasn't suspended from coaching any game for poor sportsmanship?

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Anonymous wrote:Any videos of these games online? How good were they? I'm honestly just curious as this point.

Coach sounds unhinged.

Here's the first quarter of a game against Vienna. Vienna was one of the better teams. Its customary in this league for a coach to call off the press once a team is up 20+. I didn't watch all the videos but Mclean was still pressing when the game was 53-20 and the clock was running.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU0MPru6xsc

Looks like the score is 25-4 at the end of Q1 and 40-13 at the half.

Kid jumping center was a reclass who was able to dominate the game.

That's the kid who the coach complained should have won league MVP.

Is it "reclassing" if a kid is just red-shirted? Like a summer birthday who starts K late? That is pretty common for boys.

Idk if he should have been MVP, but he’s older than most of the kids in his grade. His parents may not have purposely done it to gain an athletic advantage though. He’s from a foreign country so there may have some issues when he transferred his education to this country that caused him to be older.

Its common to have kids who are "redshirted older" in any grade-based sport. For instance, kid with a June 2009 birthday who was red shirted and started K a year late playing in an 8th grade league this year who has always been in the cohort of kids now in 8th grade is in the normal range of things.
A kid who was in 8th grade, then homeschooled 8th grade for a year, then is in 8th grade again for the third time is NOT normal. The league should not permit that. It's absurd. People can parent however they like, but for a grade based league, you should only get one year playing in each grade.

This is the reclass era. If you research, you will find that many of the elite players have done this.

I was just talking to the parent of a kid with a July 2009 birthday who’s dad reclassed him last year and his coach was just claiming he is the best 7th grader in the state.

NP here. I also know a kid with a July 09 birthday who is in 7th grade on a high level team. Maybe it’s the same kid! The dad isn’t shy in sharing this tidbit!

Probably. First initial M?

Oh my goodness- yes- first initial is M.

If the last is A, then that’s him. If ypur kid already older than the other kids in his class, I just don’t see it benefiting him I’m the long run to to this again.

PP here. I thought there’s no way it’s the same kid…I was wrong. Same kid.

I know him through a second sport he plays, so I’ve never actually seen him play basketball live (just in video clips). Undeniably a talented athlete. His dad definitely has a plan for him in basketball.

This is really interesting. How does reclassing work? Are you saying that parents actually hold their kids back 1 or 2 years in school JUST for sports? In other words, a 7th grader will stay back in 7th grade the next year and essentially take 7th grade over again (with kids who are a year younger) just so they have an advantage in a sport? Even if they got all A's in their first year in 7th grade? And schools are okay with this? This just seems crazy to me.

I'm assuming this is done strictly for college purposes??? When it comes to the NBA, they look for youth...kids who play up (like many Europeans) in competition. Watching a 22 year old sophomore dominate his college competition will not impress NBA scouts that much.

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Most Elite kids have done this reclassing thing

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Anonymous wrote:Any videos of these games online? How good were they? I'm honestly just curious as this point.

Coach sounds unhinged.

Here's the first quarter of a game against Vienna. Vienna was one of the better teams. Its customary in this league for a coach to call off the press once a team is up 20+. I didn't watch all the videos but Mclean was still pressing when the game was 53-20 and the clock was running.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU0MPru6xsc

Looks like the score is 25-4 at the end of Q1 and 40-13 at the half.

Kid jumping center was a reclass who was able to dominate the game.

That's the kid who the coach complained should have won league MVP.

Is it "reclassing" if a kid is just red-shirted? Like a summer birthday who starts K late? That is pretty common for boys.

Idk if he should have been MVP, but he’s older than most of the kids in his grade. His parents may not have purposely done it to gain an athletic advantage though. He’s from a foreign country so there may have some issues when he transferred his education to this country that caused him to be older.

Its common to have kids who are "redshirted older" in any grade-based sport. For instance, kid with a June 2009 birthday who was red shirted and started K a year late playing in an 8th grade league this year who has always been in the cohort of kids now in 8th grade is in the normal range of things.
A kid who was in 8th grade, then homeschooled 8th grade for a year, then is in 8th grade again for the third time is NOT normal. The league should not permit that. It's absurd. People can parent however they like, but for a grade based league, you should only get one year playing in each grade.

This is the reclass era. If you research, you will find that many of the elite players have done this.

I was just talking to the parent of a kid with a July 2009 birthday who’s dad reclassed him last year and his coach was just claiming he is the best 7th grader in the state.

NP here. I also know a kid with a July 09 birthday who is in 7th grade on a high level team. Maybe it’s the same kid! The dad isn’t shy in sharing this tidbit!

Probably. First initial M?

Oh my goodness- yes- first initial is M.

If the last is A, then that’s him. If ypur kid already older than the other kids in his class, I just don’t see it benefiting him I’m the long run to to this again.

PP here. I thought there’s no way it’s the same kid…I was wrong. Same kid.

I know him through a second sport he plays, so I’ve never actually seen him play basketball live (just in video clips). Undeniably a talented athlete. His dad definitely has a plan for him in basketball.

This is really interesting. How does reclassing work? Are you saying that parents actually hold their kids back 1 or 2 years in school JUST for sports? In other words, a 7th grader will stay back in 7th grade the next year and essentially take 7th grade over again (with kids who are a year younger) just so they have an advantage in a sport? Even if they got all A's in their first year in 7th grade? And schools are okay with this? This just seems crazy to me.

I'm assuming this is done strictly for college purposes??? When it comes to the NBA, they look for youth...kids who play up (like many Europeans) in competition. Watching a 22 year old sophomore dominate his college competition will not impress NBA scouts that much.

Yes, that's correct. You have to either switch schools or "homeschool" that year though. So a kid isn't repeating 7th grade at their original school. It's crazy. My son is very good and a May birthday so on the young side, but we aren't considering reclassing although 1/4 of his AAU team is already doing it before high school.

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Wow I didn't believe the reclassing thing until I just came here and read all this.

- Parent of a D1 5th grader in FCBYL who has been noticing really big kids play this year.

PS: Why is it hard to confirm zip codes? Sounds like a straightforward process to me? Heck find some parent volunteers, I will do it if they need me to for integrity sake.

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No one reclasses for fifth grade. Division 1 is where all the really big kids end up in 5th. They are right-age almost certainly

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Anonymous wrote:Wow I didn't believe the reclassing thing until I just came here and read all this.

- Parent of a D1 5th grader in FCBYL who has been noticing really big kids play this year.

PS: Why is it hard to confirm zip codes? Sounds like a straightforward process to me? Heck find some parent volunteers, I will do it if they need me to for integrity sake.

It's not hard at all. League did it for years. Organizations responsible for compiling all the data/proof and then submitting it to league along with rosters. Then someone just opens file and checks zip codes.

If league was really serious about ensuring fair competition, it's well worth whatever time it requires.

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My son has played for several AAU teams in NoVA so he knows a number of FCYBL players. Based on prior sideline chats with parents, I know where many of his former teammates reside and go to school. Therefore, I am pretty sure at least 4 division one teams in his age group have more than 2 zip code exceptions. One of those teams is stacked with AAU players from the same team.

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One thing the league does which I STRONGELY disagree with,

They say everyone gets no more than 2 zip code exceptions.

Then, a coach in-the-know or with connections requests an "exception" to the rule. They don't publicize that they give exceptions.

However, at the fall coaches meeting, they admitted that at least 10 teams had "exceptions" to the two-player rule. Meaning at least 10 teams have 3 or MORE out of zip players. They should NOT give ANY exceptions. Frankly I think ONE out of zip player should be the rule.

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We played a team that had 11 players at the game but only had ten players listed on their roster on the website. Isn't that cheating? The coach did not have a roster print out at the game.

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Anonymous wrote:We played a team that had 11 players at the game but only had ten players listed on their roster on the website. Isn't that cheating? The coach did not have a roster print out at the game.

YUP. It's not permitted per league rules. Next time, I recommend speaking up or this will continually happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow I didn't believe the reclassing thing until I just came here and read all this.

- Parent of a D1 5th grader in FCBYL who has been noticing really big kids play this year.

PS: Why is it hard to confirm zip codes? Sounds like a straightforward process to me? Heck find some parent volunteers, I will do it if they need me to for integrity sake.

In the stands at one of my kid's U15 AAU games, a parent from the other team asked if our kids were playing up a year. When I said no, they were all 9th graders, the parent laughed and said "Oh, wow -- real 15 year olds in a 15U game!" like it was a big shock.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the league does which I STRONGELY disagree with,

They say everyone gets no more than 2 zip code exceptions.

Then, a coach in-the-know or with connections requests an "exception" to the rule. They don't publicize that they give exceptions.

However, at the fall coaches meeting, they admitted that at least 10 teams had "exceptions" to the two-player rule. Meaning at least 10 teams have 3 or MORE out of zip players. They should NOT give ANY exceptions. Frankly I think ONE out of zip player should be the rule.

Wow, that is surprising. I thought it was 2 max. It seems like if they have rules, they should follow them.

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Anonymous wrote:No one reclasses for fifth grade. Division 1 is where all the really big kids end up in 5th. They are right-age almost certainly

You won't believe. Parents delay enrolling their kids to school. So a 1st grade kid can be 8 y/o.