Quelle horreur! Elrich wants to impose vaccine passports in Montgomery County.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d prefer nation wide

Jim Eagle policy that would disproportionately hurt the poor and minorities. I can see why MoCo would want it though.

EVERYTHING disproportionately hurt the poor and minorities. Sorry, but other countries manage.

+1 including covid

What is stopping poor and minorities from getting the vaccine?

Ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:To go to a bar or restaurant(and perhaps grocery store?) you need permission from the government. No one sees any problems with this?

The grocery store would definitely be a problem. Mandating that a person be vaccinated OR ELSE you can't enter a grocery store to buy food to feed yourself and your kids definitely counts as a threat with respect to the definition of coercion.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm masked and vaxxed but for some reason the vaccine passport does not sit well with me. I can't put my finger on it so I can't give you a rational reason. I won't fight it or complain but I will give it the side eye.

Let me help you. Either you totally have the shot and can participate or you don't and totally can not fully participate in society.

Tot-al .... total .... totalitarianism?

Also - do you not need an ID to get the vaccine? Don't you have to have proof of age, ergo a requirement to produce identification. Would that not, therefore then be discriminatory toward the same folks who are leaned on for political leverage when it comes to voting "rights"?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm masked and vaxxed but for some reason the vaccine passport does not sit well with me. I can't put my finger on it so I can't give you a rational reason. I won't fight it or complain but I will give it the side eye.

Let me help you. Either you totally have the shot and can participate or you don't and totally can not fully participate in society.

Tot-al .... total .... totalitarianism?

Also - do you not need an ID to get the vaccine? Don't you have to have proof of age, ergo a requirement to produce identification. Would that not, therefore then be discriminatory toward the same folks who are leaned on for political leverage when it comes to voting "rights"?

If you continue down this path of logic, you will expose a lot of dishonesty and hypocrisy of voter activism politics. You are likely to suffer many ad hominum attacks or even called a racist to try and shut you up.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm masked and vaxxed but for some reason the vaccine passport does not sit well with me. I can't put my finger on it so I can't give you a rational reason. I won't fight it or complain but I will give it the side eye.

Let me help you. Either you totally have the shot and can participate or you don't and totally can not fully participate in society.

Tot-al .... total .... totalitarianism?

Also - do you not need an ID to get the vaccine? Don't you have to have proof of age, ergo a requirement to produce identification. Would that not, therefore then be discriminatory toward the same folks who are leaned on for political leverage when it comes to voting "rights"?

No, you do not: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/how-to-book-a-vaccine-appointment-without-a-photo-id-in-the-dmv/65-c54ec15b-3f27-4286-bc01-49cdacc8bc5c

Looking forward to seeing where you'll move the goalposts next!

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That's silly given the vaccination rate. I will not show anyone my proof of vaccination as its no one's business. You can still get and spread covid vaccinated so we continue to be careful and I'm going to assume any business demanding it is not practicing safely.

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Anonymous wrote:To go to a bar or restaurant(and perhaps grocery store?) you need permission from the government. No one sees any problems with this?

The grocery store would definitely be a problem. Mandating that a person be vaccinated OR ELSE you can't enter a grocery store to buy food to feed yourself and your kids definitely counts as a threat with respect to the definition of coercion.

That's fine. Those restaurants or bars, which we wouldn't go inside anyway, just carryout will lose our business.

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Elrich states (out one side of his mouth) that people aren't going to restaurants because they don't know the vaccine status of everyone there and then, (from the other side of his mouth), boasts about our high vaccination rates. Go to the restaurants and eat, people! What are the odds you'd be sitting near an unvaxxed person? With delta, I thought they were all sick and/or intubated?

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Anonymous wrote:Elrich states (out one side of his mouth) that people aren't going to restaurants because they don't know the vaccine status of everyone there and then, (from the other side of his mouth), boasts about our high vaccination rates. Go to the restaurants and eat, people! What are the odds you'd be sitting near an unvaxxed person? With delta, I thought they were all sick and/or intubated?

The vaccine passport thing will quietly go away, since it would be rather expensive to implement something with no actual benefit. 95% of eligible residents have gotten a shot. So, given the lower efficacy of the vaccine against Delta infection, you're still at a bigger risk as a whole from the set of vaccinated residents compared to the unvaccinated residents.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccine doesn't prevent viral transmission.
Look at data from Israel, current positive cases are skyrocketing, higher then two peaks back in Sept 2020 and Jan. Of 2021.
Among the people who became positive during a outbreak in New England, viral load are the same between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
The vaccine is good to prevent people getting too sick.

Is it 100% effective at preventing infection? No.

However, vaccinated people are five times less likely to become infected than vaccinated people. That's a lot.

The vaccine is good at

-reducing infection with SARS-CoV-2
-reducing illness from covid
-reducing serious illness from covid
-reducing hospitalization due to covid
-reducing death due to covid

Also,

- Increasing smugness by coastal liberals

Are you saying that the vaccine is good at increasing smugness by coastal liberals? Not in my experience. The vaccine may be good at inducing fury among vaccinated people towards people who refuse to get vaccinated and thereby prolong the pandemic. And it's true that, overall, vaccination rates are lower among people who don't identify as Republicans. But that's really an issue for Republicans, and the Republican Party, to address. Why aren't they strongly urging their potential voters to go get this life-saving, economy-saving vaccine?

Yes, the 72 percent of young Black New Yorkers who refuse to get vaccinated are the responsibility of the GOP. Lol.

A lot of so-called progressives don’t understand, or want to understand, why some POC are hesitant to get the vaccine.

And a lot of so-called progressives want to make excuses for some non-vaccinated idiots while gleefully celebrating the deaths of others.

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Anonymous wrote:Elrich states (out one side of his mouth) that people aren't going to restaurants because they don't know the vaccine status of everyone there and then, (from the other side of his mouth), boasts about our high vaccination rates. Go to the restaurants and eat, people! What are the odds you'd be sitting near an unvaxxed person? With delta, I thought they were all sick and/or intubated?

The vaccine passport thing will quietly go away, since it would be rather expensive to implement something with no actual benefit. 95% of eligible residents have gotten a shot. So, given the lower efficacy of the vaccine against Delta infection, you're still at a bigger risk as a whole from the set of vaccinated residents compared to the unvaccinated residents.

86.7% of residents aged 12+ are fully vaccinated, but what's 8.3% of the population among friends?

95.6% of residents aged 12+ have received one shot, which leaves 46,244 residents aged 12+ who haven't received any shots and are FIVE TIMES as likely to become infected, compared to fully-vaccinated people.

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Anonymous wrote:That's silly given the vaccination rate. I will not show anyone my proof of vaccination as its no one's business. You can still get and spread covid vaccinated so we continue to be careful and I'm going to assume any business demanding it is not practicing safely.

OK, then don't. Order everything on line.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm masked and vaxxed but for some reason the vaccine passport does not sit well with me. I can't put my finger on it so I can't give you a rational reason. I won't fight it or complain but I will give it the side eye.

Let me help you. Either you totally have the shot and can participate or you don't and totally can not fully participate in society.

Tot-al .... total .... totalitarianism?

Also - do you not need an ID to get the vaccine? Don't you have to have proof of age, ergo a requirement to produce identification. Would that not, therefore then be discriminatory toward the same folks who are leaned on for political leverage when it comes to voting "rights"?

Next you'll be mentioning yellow stars and gulags.

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Anonymous wrote:Elrich states (out one side of his mouth) that people aren't going to restaurants because they don't know the vaccine status of everyone there and then, (from the other side of his mouth), boasts about our high vaccination rates. Go to the restaurants and eat, people! What are the odds you'd be sitting near an unvaxxed person? With delta, I thought they were all sick and/or intubated?

The vaccine passport thing will quietly go away, since it would be rather expensive to implement something with no actual benefit. 95% of eligible residents have gotten a shot. So, given the lower efficacy of the vaccine against Delta infection, you're still at a bigger risk as a whole from the set of vaccinated residents compared to the unvaccinated residents.

86.7% of residents aged 12+ are fully vaccinated, but what's 8.3% of the population among friends?

95.6% of residents aged 12+ have received one shot, which leaves 46,244 residents aged 12+ who haven't received any shots and are FIVE TIMES as likely to become infected, compared to fully-vaccinated people.

And? That all sounds very good. We've got an incredibly high vaccination rate that a passport would be unlikely to significantly increase. And because there are so many more vaccinated people and unvaccinated, you're more likely to catch COVID from a vaccinated 12+ individual than an unvaccinated 12+ individual. So, the passport wouldn't meaningfully increase public health.

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Anonymous wrote:Elrich states (out one side of his mouth) that people aren't going to restaurants because they don't know the vaccine status of everyone there and then, (from the other side of his mouth), boasts about our high vaccination rates. Go to the restaurants and eat, people! What are the odds you'd be sitting near an unvaxxed person? With delta, I thought they were all sick and/or intubated?

The vaccine passport thing will quietly go away, since it would be rather expensive to implement something with no actual benefit. 95% of eligible residents have gotten a shot. So, given the lower efficacy of the vaccine against Delta infection, you're still at a bigger risk as a whole from the set of vaccinated residents compared to the unvaccinated residents.

86.7% of residents aged 12+ are fully vaccinated, but what's 8.3% of the population among friends?

95.6% of residents aged 12+ have received one shot, which leaves 46,244 residents aged 12+ who haven't received any shots and are FIVE TIMES as likely to become infected, compared to fully-vaccinated people.

And? That all sounds very good. We've got an incredibly high vaccination rate that a passport would be unlikely to significantly increase. And because there are so many more vaccinated people and unvaccinated, you're more likely to catch COVID from a vaccinated 12+ individual than an unvaccinated 12+ individual. So, the passport wouldn't meaningfully increase public health.

There are no passport checks and visa requirements at the borders of Montgomery County.