Article on delta specifically in children
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https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1513
Regarding hospitalization NUMBERS (not rates) in UK, where delta has already surged: June 15, 2021 Are more children becoming ill? There are no official figures on this, although leaders in the area of child health have refuted suggestions made by members of the Scottish government that children were now more at risk from covid-19 and that many had been admitted to hospital. Steve Turner, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health registrar and consultant paediatrician at Royal Aberdeen Children’s hospital, said, “As it stands there are very few children in hospital in Scotland and across the whole of the UK due to covid. We’re not seeing any evidence of an increase in paediatric admissions with covid. A very small number of admissions who test positive for covid is what we’d expect. “Our experience over the last 15 months is that many children who test positive have come into hospital for something else, like broken bones. At the moment the situation in the UK is stable. The number of children in hospital with covid remains very low.” |
Anonymous
They don't think it is not necessary. That is a misreading. Many EU countries have already started vaccinating 12-17 and others were waiting for go ahead from the European Medicines Agency. Those overseeing vaccinations in the UK and germany specifically said they would like to wait to see more data, so they are taking a more conservative approach. But no one is really claiming it isn't necessary, they're just HOPING it isn't or waiting for more availability of vaccines. |
Anonymous
DP. This isn’t quite an accurate representation either. I cannot speak for the UK, but in Germany the position of the government differs from that of the independent expert commission on vaccines. While the government is pushing for getting teens vaccinated in a quest for herd immunity, the independent experts say that they don’t think that based on the current data we have on the vaccine and the evidence of the low risk of Covid to healthy children, they can recommend vaccinating all teenagers. They are not discouraging parents from making the decision to get their teens vaccinated, but as a matter of policy they don’t think the risk-benefit calculation is in favor of it due to the lack of data on the safety of the vaccine and the fact that kids are low risk. It is not a matter of “hoping” for anything. Nor is it a supply issue, or the German government wouldn’t be advocating for general vaccination of teenagers. |
Anonymous
+ 1 billion. |
Anonymous
It's a timing and supply issue as the government promised everyone over 12 could be vaccinated by the summer, but they were prioritizing high risk groups and adults first. Since Stiko wasn not recommending it for kids 12-17, waiting on more data, supply was aimed toward the unvaxxed. Germany only has 60%ish vaccinated....they still have a lot of adults left to go. AS far as the rest of your post, pretty much what I said--they are being ultra conservative waiting on more data but they are essentially hoping that kids won't need it with delta and more re-opening/ They want more data, and they are reaching for adult herd immunity, so yeah...again. Not a completey rational position. Yet, they do recommend it for kids with chronic conditions or comorbidities, so their position doesn't really make much sense, esp given the scads of data we have and the near global, universal consensus that it is a safe and necessary vaccines for kids. |
Anonymous
Your post is a little bit muddled, but the bolded was my point. Stiko is the expert commission on vaccines, and their decision not to recommend universal vaccination of this age group had nothing to do with supply. They were quite explicit about that. And I am not sure what evidence you have that there is a “near global, universal consensus” that the vaccine is necessary for kids. It certainly doesn’t exist for the younger age group that isn’t even approved under EUA yet. And just for the record, if I had teens, they would get their shots. But not because I think Covid is a huge risk for them. I would do it because I want this pandemic to end and because I want them to get their lives back. |
Anonymous
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/us/covid-19-children-teens/index.html
Rates are rising quickly in children and teens. Hope you bought some good masks for the school year. |
Anonymous
Weird it's rising in teens despite millions being vaccinated. Oops thanks CNN |
Anonymous
| Why is it rising in teens when vaccines have been out for 3 months? In other words, why isn't it only rising in under 12's? Anyone care to guess? |
Anonymous
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On a related note about delta, an article about its rapid decline in one highly vaccinated country (UK) and one highly unvaccinated country (India):
https://fortune.com/2021/08/03/covid-delta-variant-wave-uk-have-already-receded-us/ From Aug. 3, 2021 "But data from other countries is providing some hope that the U.S.’ recent Delta-driven wave may dissipate as fast as it emerged. In the U.K., daily confirmed cases of COVID-19 have fallen by 50% in the past week after the country experienced its largest wave of infections in months. In India, where the Delta variant first emerged, confirmed COVID-19 infections have dropped by a factor of ten in the last few months—after peaking at nearly 400,000 daily infections in May. No one knows for certain exactly why Delta cases have dropped so fast—and many experts are baffled." The article ends with wondering if the U.S. will mirror this quick fall. |
Anonymous
Presumably the same reasons it's rising in people in their 20s and 30s where I live? (Spotty vaccination levels, limited precautions) |
Anonymous
Testing positive and getting sick are not the same thing. If it was as bad as the media would have you believe, then the FDA would not require additional testing to authorize the vaccine for emergency use. The FDA basically admitted this is NBD for the under-12’s. |
Anonymous
It is still too soon to tell whether the fall, likely from school break, will be followed by a re-uptick from UK's "freedom day". |
Anonymous
Exactly. Just because the vaccine has been available doesn't at all been it has been administered broadly enough to make a dent in delta spread. |
Anonymous
Oh so most teens aren't getting it? UK cases are dropping now without vaccinating kids. |