Article on delta specifically in children

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On a related note about delta, an article about its rapid decline in one highly vaccinated country (UK) and one highly unvaccinated country (India):

https://fortune.com/2021/08/03/covid-delta-variant-wave-uk-have-already-receded-us/

From Aug. 3, 2021

"But data from other countries is providing some hope that the U.S.’ recent Delta-driven wave may dissipate as fast as it emerged. In the U.K., daily confirmed cases of COVID-19 have fallen by 50% in the past week after the country experienced its largest wave of infections in months. In India, where the Delta variant first emerged, confirmed COVID-19 infections have dropped by a factor of ten in the last few months—after peaking at nearly 400,000 daily infections in May. No one knows for certain exactly why Delta cases have dropped so fast—and many experts are baffled."

The article ends with wondering if the U.S. will mirror this quick fall.

It is still too soon to tell whether the fall, likely from school break, will be followed by a re-uptick from UK's "freedom day".

No I don't think so. Delta declines rapidly luckily

[Anonymous]

Large UK study about covid deaths in children:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w

July 15, 2021:
Deaths from COVID ‘incredibly rare’ among children

"Of 3,105 deaths from all causes among the 12 million or so people under 18 in England between March 2020 and February 2021, 25 were attributable to COVID-19 — a rate of about 2 for every million people in this age range."


Different coverage of same studies from BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57766717
July 9
Covid: Children's extremely low risk confirmed by study

1/50,000 chance of kids being admitted to ICU
1/200,000 chance of death

And about delta: ""Although this data covers up to February 2021, this hasn't changed recently with the Delta variant. We hope this data will be reassuring for children and young people and their families."

[Anonymous]

Coronavirus spread in LA summer school during delta surge:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-04/coronavirus-infections-increased-in-lausd-summer-school-but-affected-a-tiny-percentage

Coronavirus infections found at Los Angeles Unified schools rose steadily during the five weeks of summer school but appear to have affected a small proportion of students and staff, according to data provided to The Times.

The increase in infections found through regular coronavirus screening corresponded with the rise of the Delta variant. The summer program began with a few cases detected among about 44,000 students and staffers who attended in-person classes and were tested weekly. The nation’s second-largest school district enrolls about 465,000 K-12 students during the regular academic year.

Summer school classes started June 21 or June 22 — depending on the grade level — and concluded July 23. During the first week, the district recorded 20 infections among students. During the final week, the district recorded 59 infections, with a total of 174 student cases over the five weeks. Among the schools’ staff, the figure was two cases for the first week and 16 for the last, with a total of 53 cases over the five weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coronavirus spread in LA summer school during delta surge:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-04/coronavirus-infections-increased-in-lausd-summer-school-but-affected-a-tiny-percentage

Coronavirus infections found at Los Angeles Unified schools rose steadily during the five weeks of summer school but appear to have affected a small proportion of students and staff, according to data provided to The Times.

The increase in infections found through regular coronavirus screening corresponded with the rise of the Delta variant. The summer program began with a few cases detected among about 44,000 students and staffers who attended in-person classes and were tested weekly. The nation’s second-largest school district enrolls about 465,000 K-12 students during the regular academic year.

Summer school classes started June 21 or June 22 — depending on the grade level — and concluded July 23. During the first week, the district recorded 20 infections among students. During the final week, the district recorded 59 infections, with a total of 174 student cases over the five weeks. Among the schools’ staff, the figure was two cases for the first week and 16 for the last, with a total of 53 cases over the five weeks.

This doesn’t mention actual ages of the kids. Nor severity of their disease if any

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coronavirus spread in LA summer school during delta surge:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-04/coronavirus-infections-increased-in-lausd-summer-school-but-affected-a-tiny-percentage

Coronavirus infections found at Los Angeles Unified schools rose steadily during the five weeks of summer school but appear to have affected a small proportion of students and staff, according to data provided to The Times.

The increase in infections found through regular coronavirus screening corresponded with the rise of the Delta variant. The summer program began with a few cases detected among about 44,000 students and staffers who attended in-person classes and were tested weekly. The nation’s second-largest school district enrolls about 465,000 K-12 students during the regular academic year.

Summer school classes started June 21 or June 22 — depending on the grade level — and concluded July 23. During the first week, the district recorded 20 infections among students. During the final week, the district recorded 59 infections, with a total of 174 student cases over the five weeks. Among the schools’ staff, the figure was two cases for the first week and 16 for the last, with a total of 53 cases over the five weeks.

This doesn’t mention actual ages of the kids. Nor severity of their disease if any

I read it as a positive takeaway -- very low level of spread in schools, but yes you are correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coronavirus spread in LA summer school during delta surge:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-04/coronavirus-infections-increased-in-lausd-summer-school-but-affected-a-tiny-percentage

Coronavirus infections found at Los Angeles Unified schools rose steadily during the five weeks of summer school but appear to have affected a small proportion of students and staff, according to data provided to The Times.

The increase in infections found through regular coronavirus screening corresponded with the rise of the Delta variant. The summer program began with a few cases detected among about 44,000 students and staffers who attended in-person classes and were tested weekly. The nation’s second-largest school district enrolls about 465,000 K-12 students during the regular academic year.

Summer school classes started June 21 or June 22 — depending on the grade level — and concluded July 23. During the first week, the district recorded 20 infections among students. During the final week, the district recorded 59 infections, with a total of 174 student cases over the five weeks. Among the schools’ staff, the figure was two cases for the first week and 16 for the last, with a total of 53 cases over the five weeks.

This doesn’t mention actual ages of the kids. Nor severity of their disease if any

That is a big range, from K-12th grade

[Anonymous]

I do not understand the difference in the outcomes in Germany and UK with kids and Delta, and the American South now. Why is there a surge in kids in hospitals and icu ‘s in the South??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the difference in the outcomes in Germany and UK with kids and Delta, and the American South now. Why is there a surge in kids in hospitals and icu ‘s in the South??

This is just a guess, but because of higher vaccination rates in Germany and UK. Kids are most likely to get covid from a family member, and you've got low vaccination rates amongst the parents in the South (as well as the kids that are eligible).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the difference in the outcomes in Germany and UK with kids and Delta, and the American South now. Why is there a surge in kids in hospitals and icu ‘s in the South??

This is just a guess, but because of higher vaccination rates in Germany and UK. Kids are most likely to get covid from a family member, and you've got low vaccination rates amongst the parents in the South (as well as the kids that are eligible).

But also, the increase in ICU hospitalizations overall is likely still a statistical blip. The stories are alarming, but are not very nuanced. There have also been reports that more kids are being hospitalized with RSV right now (likely because they were in quarantine during the usual time when kids get it) so that's filling up beds too. So the "the beds are full!" stories don't often report how many of those (10? 20?) beds are used by RSV patients versus covid patients.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting this OP.

It's so easy to get caught up in the race to be most cautious among DC area parents (we would never do daycare, oh yeah well we're avoiding all air travel, oh yeah well we wear masks outdoors always, etc.), that sometimes I lose touch with the facts. Or at least the facts we know so far. This whole thing requires some humility and acknowledging there are no perfect decisions, but we can at least try to be as informed as possible - and this is good level-headed information.

I don't envy parents of older children making the vaccine decision. As the parent of a very young child, I too will be looking closely at both the European recommendations and whether the US grants an EUA. I was first in line to be vaccinated and I am open to vaccinating my child, but it pains me to think I may have to vaccinate her not because she's at risk, but because not enough adults would step up and do it.

THIS

[Anonymous]

https://fortune.com/2021/08/12/as-delta-infections-spiked-covid-cases-in-schools-actually-fell-a-lesson-from-england/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

"As Delta infections spiked, COVID cases in schools actually fell—a lesson from England"

"Fewer than one in 100 school students and staff in England tested positive for COVID-19 in June. And the capper: There was no mask mandate in the schools at the time.

That wasn’t just a noticeable drop from last autumn, it also came as Delta variant cases were peaking across not just England, but the whole of the United Kingdom."
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"An estimated 0.27% of elementary school students, 0.42% of middle to high school students, and 0.27% of teachers tested positive for COVID-19 between June 14 and July 6. This is compared with autumn 2020, when around 1% of elementary school students and staff tested positive, while 1.22% of high school students and 1.64% of staff tested positive.

The ONS chalks up the drop in cases to “school gate” measures as well as the asymptomatic testing program, which required students to test themselves twice a week. That succeeded in keeping a higher number of COVID-19 infected students out of school, thus reducing the risk of infection."

..."Furthermore, the U.K. is still not vaccinating children below the age of 15."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the difference in the outcomes in Germany and UK with kids and Delta, and the American South now. Why is there a surge in kids in hospitals and icu ‘s in the South??

This is just a guess, but because of higher vaccination rates in Germany and UK. Kids are most likely to get covid from a family member, and you've got low vaccination rates amongst the parents in the South (as well as the kids that are eligible).

But also, the increase in ICU hospitalizations overall is likely still a statistical blip. The stories are alarming, but are not very nuanced. There have also been reports that more kids are being hospitalized with RSV right now (likely because they were in quarantine during the usual time when kids get it) so that's filling up beds too. So the "the beds are full!" stories don't often report how many of those (10? 20?) beds are used by RSV patients versus covid patients.

Wouldn’t those RSV kids be below age three mostly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is it rising in teens when vaccines have been out for 3 months? In other words, why isn't it only rising in under 12's? Anyone care to guess?

Presumably the same reasons it's rising in people in their 20s and 30s where I live? (Spotty vaccination levels, limited precautions)

Exactly. Just because the vaccine has been available doesn't at all been it has been administered broadly enough to make a dent in delta spread.

What about Montgomery County, Md? Cases are rising, even with an ~80% vaccination rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://fortune.com/2021/08/12/as-delta-infections-spiked-covid-cases-in-schools-actually-fell-a-lesson-from-england/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

"As Delta infections spiked, COVID cases in schools actually fell—a lesson from England"

"Fewer than one in 100 school students and staff in England tested positive for COVID-19 in June. And the capper: There was no mask mandate in the schools at the time.

That wasn’t just a noticeable drop from last autumn, it also came as Delta variant cases were peaking across not just England, but the whole of the United Kingdom."
...
"An estimated 0.27% of elementary school students, 0.42% of middle to high school students, and 0.27% of teachers tested positive for COVID-19 between June 14 and July 6. This is compared with autumn 2020, when around 1% of elementary school students and staff tested positive, while 1.22% of high school students and 1.64% of staff tested positive.

The ONS chalks up the drop in cases to “school gate” measures as well as the asymptomatic testing program, which required students to test themselves twice a week. That succeeded in keeping a higher number of COVID-19 infected students out of school, thus reducing the risk of infection."

..."Furthermore, the U.K. is still not vaccinating children below the age of 15."

This is interesting. What is the school gate measures?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coronavirus spread in LA summer school during delta surge:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-04/coronavirus-infections-increased-in-lausd-summer-school-but-affected-a-tiny-percentage

Coronavirus infections found at Los Angeles Unified schools rose steadily during the five weeks of summer school but appear to have affected a small proportion of students and staff, according to data provided to The Times.

The increase in infections found through regular coronavirus screening corresponded with the rise of the Delta variant. The summer program began with a few cases detected among about 44,000 students and staffers who attended in-person classes and were tested weekly. The nation’s second-largest school district enrolls about 465,000 K-12 students during the regular academic year.

Summer school classes started June 21 or June 22 — depending on the grade level — and concluded July 23. During the first week, the district recorded 20 infections among students. During the final week, the district recorded 59 infections, with a total of 174 student cases over the five weeks. Among the schools’ staff, the figure was two cases for the first week and 16 for the last, with a total of 53 cases over the five weeks.

Los Angeles had such low community rates of covid during June and July. This study ended on July 23 which is around when the surge started. So I don’t find this reassuring at all

This doesn’t mention actual ages of the kids. Nor severity of their disease if any

That is a big range, from K-12th grade