Article on delta specifically in children

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/17/1017075240/delta-variant-is-spreading-fast-and-new-cases-are-rising-is-time-to-mask-up-agai

It's possible that children who get infected with the delta variant might have more symptoms than they would if they were infected with an earlier version of the virus. With a more transmissible variant, "when someone gets sick, they tend to have more virus, and they tend to have more symptoms," Chu explains.

That being said, Chu says, typically "children are not that symptomatic from COVID." Her best guess? She thinks delta "probably will not lead to significant numbers of children getting hospitalized."

There it is.

[Anonymous]

I can't believe they're vaccinating children. Absolutely bonkers here. The world has gone mad.

[Anonymous]

https://www.childrensmn.org/2021/07/07/need-know-covid-19-delta-variant/

Unvaccinated people – including children – are more vulnerable to the delta variant of COVID-19 because it is the most transmissible form of the virus we’ve seen so far.
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According to current research, the delta variant does not appear to cause more serious diseases in kids.

[Anonymous]

This is all pretty reassuring so far. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe they're vaccinating children. Absolutely bonkers here. The world has gone mad.

+1 million

[Anonymous]

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/coronavirus/concerns-grow-for-kids-as-covid-19-delta-variant-continues-to-spread-and-hospitalizations-rise
August 2. TAMPA, Fla. — “They are exposed to the virus everywhere because now it is everywhere,” said Dr. Claudia Espinosa, Associate Professor of Pediatrics, Division of Pediatric Infectious Disease at the University of South Florida.

The continued rapid rise of the COVID-19 delta variant in Florida is causing pediatricians to be on high alert for children, especially since many still aren’t eligible for a vaccine.

“In the past two weeks, there has been an increase in cases, especially in the ages of 12 and younger,” said Espinosa.
“That group of children are really concerning. They are vulnerable right? They have not met this virus before because we kept them cocooned last year and now there are no more restrictions,” she added.

Based on the latest data, in the most recently reported seven-day window, Florida has had at least 247 confirmed COVID-19 pediatric hospitalizations, which is about 35 per day. The state now leads the nation in confirmed pediatric hospitalizations per capita.

“The most scary to me are the ones that are coming after one month or two months with the multi-system inflammatory syndrome. They come with neurological compromises, G.I. compromises—and Myocarditis is almost universal in all of those children. They are scary to treat,” said Espinosa.
While there are still many children who get COVID-19 with only mild symptoms, doctors say it’s hard to determine at this point if the delta variant will have more severe side effects since it’s spreading so quickly and there’s limited data.

“Even if the kids by any chance got the virus the first time like last year let’s say and they did really well, we cannot expect that to happen this year because we really don’t know what’s going to happen with this virus,” said Espinosa.

As kids get ready to head back to school, health experts predict the numbers won’t get any better.

“What I have seen is they still get sick. In four to eight weeks, we are going to still see children who have multi-system inflammatory syndrome because we have seen it all through the months even when the cases were low, we still see them. And so, I don’t expect that's going to be better now that they’re going to school,” said Espinosa.

They’re urging Tampa Bay area families to encourage children to wear masks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/coronavirus/concerns-grow-for-kids-as-covid-19-delta-variant-continues-to-spread-and-hospitalizations-rise
August 2. TAMPA, Fla. — “They are exposed to the virus everywhere because now it is everywhere,” said Dr. Claudia Espinosa, Associate Professor of Pediatrics, Division of Pediatric Infectious Disease at the University of South Florida.

The continued rapid rise of the COVID-19 delta variant in Florida is causing pediatricians to be on high alert for children, especially since many still aren’t eligible for a vaccine.

“In the past two weeks, there has been an increase in cases, especially in the ages of 12 and younger,” said Espinosa.
“That group of children are really concerning. They are vulnerable right? They have not met this virus before because we kept them cocooned last year and now there are no more restrictions,” she added.

Based on the latest data, in the most recently reported seven-day window, Florida has had at least 247 confirmed COVID-19 pediatric hospitalizations, which is about 35 per day. The state now leads the nation in confirmed pediatric hospitalizations per capita.

“The most scary to me are the ones that are coming after one month or two months with the multi-system inflammatory syndrome. They come with neurological compromises, G.I. compromises—and Myocarditis is almost universal in all of those children. They are scary to treat,” said Espinosa.
While there are still many children who get COVID-19 with only mild symptoms, doctors say it’s hard to determine at this point if the delta variant will have more severe side effects since it’s spreading so quickly and there’s limited data.

“Even if the kids by any chance got the virus the first time like last year let’s say and they did really well, we cannot expect that to happen this year because we really don’t know what’s going to happen with this virus,” said Espinosa.

As kids get ready to head back to school, health experts predict the numbers won’t get any better.

“What I have seen is they still get sick. In four to eight weeks, we are going to still see children who have multi-system inflammatory syndrome because we have seen it all through the months even when the cases were low, we still see them. And so, I don’t expect that's going to be better now that they’re going to school,” said Espinosa.

They’re urging Tampa Bay area families to encourage children to wear masks.

Does your story have, or do you have any other evidence about risks of MSIS? As in, what percentage of kids with covid get MSIS?

I find these types of stories alarmist without a denominator.

[Anonymous]

https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fdaily-life-coping%2Fchildren%2Fmis-c.html

"MIS-C can be serious, even deadly, but most children who were diagnosed with this condition have gotten better with medical care."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/misc-and-covid19-rare-inflammatory-syndrome-in-kids-and-teens

While the syndrome is rare, it can be dangerous.

https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/childrens-health/mis-c-covid-related-condition-parents-need-to-know-about

"At this point there are still many more questions than answers about MIS-C, including its cause and risk factors. The case numbers are so low, it’s difficult to distinguish which children are at highest risk."

"This is still a relatively rare condition that has occurred in two out of 100,000 children, or less than .01% of the population."

[for perspective, childhood leukemia cases are 4.8 per 100,000: https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/childleuk.html]

[Anonymous]

Thank for posting these articles, op. Very informative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe they're vaccinating children. Absolutely bonkers here. The world has gone mad.

+1 million

What are your concerns?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/coronavirus/concerns-grow-for-kids-as-covid-19-delta-variant-continues-to-spread-and-hospitalizations-rise
August 2. TAMPA, Fla. — “They are exposed to the virus everywhere because now it is everywhere,” said Dr. Claudia Espinosa, Associate Professor of Pediatrics, Division of Pediatric Infectious Disease at the University of South Florida.

The continued rapid rise of the COVID-19 delta variant in Florida is causing pediatricians to be on high alert for children, especially since many still aren’t eligible for a vaccine.

“In the past two weeks, there has been an increase in cases, especially in the ages of 12 and younger,” said Espinosa.
“That group of children are really concerning. They are vulnerable right? They have not met this virus before because we kept them cocooned last year and now there are no more restrictions,” she added.

Based on the latest data, in the most recently reported seven-day window, Florida has had at least 247 confirmed COVID-19 pediatric hospitalizations, which is about 35 per day. The state now leads the nation in confirmed pediatric hospitalizations per capita.

“The most scary to me are the ones that are coming after one month or two months with the multi-system inflammatory syndrome. They come with neurological compromises, G.I. compromises—and Myocarditis is almost universal in all of those children. They are scary to treat,” said Espinosa.
While there are still many children who get COVID-19 with only mild symptoms, doctors say it’s hard to determine at this point if the delta variant will have more severe side effects since it’s spreading so quickly and there’s limited data.

“Even if the kids by any chance got the virus the first time like last year let’s say and they did really well, we cannot expect that to happen this year because we really don’t know what’s going to happen with this virus,” said Espinosa.

As kids get ready to head back to school, health experts predict the numbers won’t get any better.

“What I have seen is they still get sick. In four to eight weeks, we are going to still see children who have multi-system inflammatory syndrome because we have seen it all through the months even when the cases were low, we still see them. And so, I don’t expect that's going to be better now that they’re going to school,” said Espinosa.

They’re urging Tampa Bay area families to encourage children to wear masks.

Does your story have, or do you have any other evidence about risks of MSIS? As in, what percentage of kids with covid get MSIS?

I find these types of stories alarmist without a denominator.

+1

They're also alarmist without any information about premorbid conditions in the children who are presenting in the hospital.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing to pay attention to is the differing definitions of child.

The data on under 10's in particular is very different because of something to do with the development of the nose. Also under 16 versus under 18 presents confusion as does babies. If an article doesnt define the age range then one has to assume that they are lumping 0-18 together, which isnt altogether useful from an analytical standpoint.

I’ve been wondering about this. It seems to me that a 17 year old would have a very different risk profile than a 7 year old, since the risk increase seems to be on a continuum. Has anyone seen the data broken down by age? Especially now that the vaccine is approved for 12 and over, it would seem to be relevant to understand the impacts on the 12 and under crowd, separate from the 12 and over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing to pay attention to is the differing definitions of child.

The data on under 10's in particular is very different because of something to do with the development of the nose. Also under 16 versus under 18 presents confusion as does babies. If an article doesnt define the age range then one has to assume that they are lumping 0-18 together, which isnt altogether useful from an analytical standpoint.

I’ve been wondering about this. It seems to me that a 17 year old would have a very different risk profile than a 7 year old, since the risk increase seems to be on a continuum. Has anyone seen the data broken down by age? Especially now that the vaccine is approved for 12 and over, it would seem to be relevant to understand the impacts on the 12 and under crowd, separate from the 12 and over.

The issue in general seems to be that there are so few 'pediatric' (however defined) cases that breaking them down by age further isn't statistically meaningful.

This is positive, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe they're vaccinating children. Absolutely bonkers here. The world has gone mad.

In other parts of the world, where the vaccine hasn't been so politicized (such as Germany and the UK), health agencies are coming to the conclusion that for younger kids, the vaccine doesn't seem necessary. I don't have faith that American health agencies will be able to make an objective determination, in the current political climate.

I've got 2 kids under the age of 10, and I haven't seen anything to convince me that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the potential risks. Vaccination of kids would mostly be of benefit to adults who won't vaccinate themselves. Why should I make my kids get vaccinates to help people like that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank for posting these articles, op. Very informative.

Yes, very helpful to see these articles and excerpts in one place, OP! Really appreciate your taking the time to post all of this info. I have kids who are too young for vax and there is just so much news to sort through...