NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

Roads. Roads belong between cities, not in them.

^^^This is one of the Top 5 stupidest things I’ve ever read on DCUM. ^^^


And considering this place, that’s really saying something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see all the “no cars” people walk a mile and half with 200lbs of fishing gear, chairs, coolers, food, ice and beverages.

Cool scenario, bro.

What about reality where you're cruising around in 2 tons of metal with nothing but a paperback novel and some weed? I'm not criticizing your choices, just we don't need roads to accommodate people driving cars for that.

Then I’d be totally fine with limiting car access to Haines Point to just vehicles with fishing gear or picnic set-ups.

Deal?

Why does your desire to take 200 lbs of stuff to Hains Point by car for a picnic or fishing, outweigh the desire of people walking, jogging, and biking at Hains Point to not be hit or killed by a driver?

[Anonymous]

I love the people that think public goods should only be available to them and people like them but no one else, except under onerous conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

Roads. Roads belong between cities, not in them.

^^^This is one of the Top 5 stupidest things I’ve ever read on DCUM. ^^^


And considering this place, that’s really saying something.

LOL. I imagine these people were complaining about horse drawn carts and buggies 100 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

Roads. Roads belong between cities, not in them.

^^^This is one of the Top 5 stupidest things I’ve ever read on DCUM. ^^^


And considering this place, that’s really saying something.

LOL. I imagine these people were complaining about horse drawn carts and buggies 100 years ago.

No a hundred years ago they were complaining about cars that were pushing people (and horses probably) off of roads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love the people that think public goods should only be available to them and people like them but no one else, except under onerous conditions.

Onerous conditions, like getting killed on a sunny weekend morning while taking a walk with a co-worker?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love the people that think public goods should only be available to them and people like them but no one else, except under onerous conditions.

Cars take an outsized share of public space in cities. They are literally everywhere. It’s ok for them to be subject to limits in national parks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just lost two pedestrians to careless driving in Hains Point this weekend: Rhonda Whitaker and Waldon Adams. The couple were African American homeless advocates in their 50s/60s, just out for a stroll.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-woman-hit-and-killed-at-hains-point-were-tireless-advocates-for-ending-homelessness/ar-BB1g4WPW

I posted last week about getting cars out of the National Arboretum to some degree of ridicule. I think this demonstrates that DC needs to have more car-free urban spaces. Our NPS parks are urban parks, and need to be reserved for pedestrians, bikers, and wheelchairs. Nobody needs to "tour nature" in Hains Point by a car. The fact that Hains Point (and the Arboretum) don't even have protected bike/pedestrian lanes on the parts that they share with cars is completely absurd. Apparently Anacostia Park (also NPS) has the same issue.

Was the person arrested and were they impared?

[Anonymous]

Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just lost two pedestrians to careless driving in Hains Point this weekend: Rhonda Whitaker and Waldon Adams. The couple were African American homeless advocates in their 50s/60s, just out for a stroll.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-woman-hit-and-killed-at-hains-point-were-tireless-advocates-for-ending-homelessness/ar-BB1g4WPW

I posted last week about getting cars out of the National Arboretum to some degree of ridicule. I think this demonstrates that DC needs to have more car-free urban spaces. Our NPS parks are urban parks, and need to be reserved for pedestrians, bikers, and wheelchairs. Nobody needs to "tour nature" in Hains Point by a car. The fact that Hains Point (and the Arboretum) don't even have protected bike/pedestrian lanes on the parts that they share with cars is completely absurd. Apparently Anacostia Park (also NPS) has the same issue.

Was the person arrested and were they impared?

Drivers who hit and kill pedestrians are almost never arrested and only rarely even charged with anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

Roads. Roads belong between cities, not in them.

^^^This is one of the Top 5 stupidest things I’ve ever read on DCUM. ^^^


And considering this place, that’s really saying something.

LOL. I imagine these people were complaining about horse drawn carts and buggies 100 years ago.

No a hundred years ago they were complaining about cars that were pushing people (and horses probably) off of roads.

Considering that they don’t believe that roads should be in cities, I doubt that.

I guess their vision of a city is everyone living in one giant skyscraper. All pedestrian corridors, no roads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

Yeah, that just reflects the belief that people's desire to drive through a national park trumps everything else.

Also, this leisure/lycra/cycling thing is lazy thinking. Lots of people bike for transportation, including lots of low-income people, because cars are expensive and transit is slow with limited hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

Roads. Roads belong between cities, not in them.

^^^This is one of the Top 5 stupidest things I’ve ever read on DCUM. ^^^


And considering this place, that’s really saying something.

LOL. I imagine these people were complaining about horse drawn carts and buggies 100 years ago.

No a hundred years ago they were complaining about cars that were pushing people (and horses probably) off of roads.

Considering that they don’t believe that roads should be in cities, I doubt that.

I guess their vision of a city is everyone living in one giant skyscraper. All pedestrian corridors, no roads.

Cities have streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

Yeah, that just reflects the belief that people's desire to drive through a national park trumps everything else.

Also, this leisure/lycra/cycling thing is lazy thinking. Lots of people bike for transportation, including lots of low-income people, because cars are expensive and transit is slow with limited hours.

Yes. The people killed by the driver in Hains Point were formerly homeless African American seniors out for a weekend stroll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing off Beach Drive is only viable because most people are still working from home due to the pandemic. As offices reopen in the fall and schools are back full-time, keeping Beach Drive closed will just force more commuter traffic into neighborhoods. Waze worked beautifully when Beach Drive was under construction. Prioritizing the leisure class who can strap on their lycra during normal business hours over people who actually have to work for a living isn't an argument for equity or better living standards for most Washingtonians - it's creating a personal park for those who can afford to live within walking distance of a major thoroughfare.

Yeah, that just reflects the belief that people's desire to drive through a national park trumps everything else.

Also, this leisure/lycra/cycling thing is lazy thinking. Lots of people bike for transportation, including lots of low-income people, because cars are expensive and transit is slow with limited hours.

Yes. The people killed by the driver in Hains Point were formerly homeless African American seniors out for a weekend stroll.

They were 55 and 60.