APS- teachers MIA in APS middle school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:those people aren't going to be happy until they kill a teacher.

The virtual-school-forever crowd isn't losing any sleep over dead nurses, line cooks, prisoners, or meatpacking plant employees. Teachers are getting exponentially more protections than most of us have ever gotten, and those of us who were "heroes" a year ago now know you don't give a shit about us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2 of mine WMS teachers aren’t coming. You are lucky.
It’s such a disgrace. No professionalism. Just selfishness and fear.

-They typed while sitting in their home office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:those people aren't going to be happy until they kill a teacher.

The virtual-school-forever crowd isn't losing any sleep over dead nurses, line cooks, prisoners, or meatpacking plant employees. Teachers are getting exponentially more protections than most of us have ever gotten, and those of us who were "heroes" a year ago now know you don't give a shit about us.

whataboutism.txt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:those people aren't going to be happy until they kill a teacher.

The virtual-school-forever crowd isn't losing any sleep over dead nurses, line cooks, prisoners, or meatpacking plant employees. Teachers are getting exponentially more protections than most of us have ever gotten, and those of us who were "heroes" a year ago now know you don't give a shit about us.

whataboutism.txt

Nope. I am going to tell you that I know some of the anti-school-opening people personally and they have demonstrated time and time again they do not care about me or my safety at work. When I have commented on the fact that I’ve been working in person for the last year they reply “but you have better PPE!” This is not true, and when I mention that, they say, “oh” or “that’s too bad.” No one advocates for us. I guess clapping a couple times last March was supposed to keep people alive, like Tinkerbell?

[Anonymous]

OP - same..
signed. WMS parent.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, there are certainly a very small number of people who cannot receive vaccines for medical reasons, I don't deny that. However, the number of teachers who are not returning seems to far exceed that number.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,
I am dismayed. Despite the teachers having full access to vaccines, 2 of my kid’s middle school teachers still have opted to stay home when the kids are in person next week.
How can APS justify this when a classroom full of kids are present? This is just so shameful. Teaching is an in perjob!
The standards are just getting worse and worse in APS.

I’m sure they didn’t just opt, but have ADA accommodations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, there are certainly a very small number of people who cannot receive vaccines for medical reasons, I don't deny that. However, the number of teachers who are not returning seems to far exceed that number.

There are people who receive the vaccine and still need accommodations.

[Anonymous]

Why a teacher chooses to remain virtual is really none of your business. Your child gets to be back in the classroom, amongst peers. Isn't this the main reason why most parents wanted their kids back in school - for mental health issues resulting from isolation? Yes, having an in person teacher is better but your kid will be okay if one or two classes are taught virtually while kids are in the classroom. Your demand that all teachers return in person is just plain selfish. You don't know the personal situation of those choosing to remain virtual. Maybe they have an at risk family member who hasn't been vaccinated. I personally know of one teacher who has a child going through cancer treatments. Obviously, this child can't be vaccinated and is at high risk. Yes, the teacher is vaccinated so she probably won't fall ill with Covid, but being around unvaccinated kids all day, she can still get silently infected and could pass it on to her child. She shouldn't have to take that risk. Simply, whatever a teacher's reason is, you don't need to know it as it's none of your business. Teaching is a tough job and those who choose that profession choose it because they care. Why don't you try to have some compassion and stop thinking just about yourself?

Because I am a law enforcement agent, and have been back at work prior to receiving my first vaccine, despite the fact that my husband has a condition that renders him high risk, and has yet to be vaccinated. I honestly cannot imaging anyone in my line of work refusing to return unless they personally had a medical condition and an assocaited reasonable accomodation under the ADA, and if they did, they would no longer be employed.

[Anonymous]

One of my kid's teachers has a health condition that I happen to know about. He is an excellent teacher, even in the virtual format, so while I am sad that he's not there, I get it.

If he remains uncomfortable/unable to return to the classroom, I think he ought to seek a new position for next year. We now know that there are plenty of virtual teaching opportunities. That may be a better fit for some of these teachers, and they should be encouraged to seek out those opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why a teacher chooses to remain virtual is really none of your business. Your child gets to be back in the classroom, amongst peers. Isn't this the main reason why most parents wanted their kids back in school - for mental health issues resulting from isolation? Yes, having an in person teacher is better but your kid will be okay if one or two classes are taught virtually while kids are in the classroom. Your demand that all teachers return in person is just plain selfish. You don't know the personal situation of those choosing to remain virtual. Maybe they have an at risk family member who hasn't been vaccinated. I personally know of one teacher who has a child going through cancer treatments. Obviously, this child can't be vaccinated and is at high risk. Yes, the teacher is vaccinated so she probably won't fall ill with Covid, but being around unvaccinated kids all day, she can still get silently infected and could pass it on to her child. She shouldn't have to take that risk. Simply, whatever a teacher's reason is, you don't need to know it as it's none of your business. Teaching is a tough job and those who choose that profession choose it because they care. Why don't you try to have some compassion and stop thinking just about yourself?

Because I am a law enforcement agent, and have been back at work prior to receiving my first vaccine, despite the fact that my husband has a condition that renders him high risk, and has yet to be vaccinated. I honestly cannot imaging anyone in my line of work refusing to return unless they personally had a medical condition and an assocaited reasonable accomodation under the ADA, and if they did, they would no longer be employed.

I hear what you're saying. I also hear what teachers are saying.

Are you in a small room for up to 4 hours at a time with 8-10 unvaccinated teenagers who are allowed to unmask for 1/2 hour to eat breakfast, and then to unmask for 1/2 hour for lunch, and then to unmask for 2 mask breaks during that 4 hours? Probably not. The teachers' arguments about safety are valid given those considerations. It is why we're keeping our tweens and teens home. I don't want my kid in that environment, either.

While I applaud your service I hope you recognize that your work conditions are greatly different from that of a teacher. In my opinion, your risk is much lower because you don't have the extended duration and same proximity with asymptomatic super-spreaders.

[Anonymous]

Parents on here are nuts. I hope my kids teachers can teach, however they are most comfortable in this GLOBAL PANDEMIC, and keep their jobs. For any reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why a teacher chooses to remain virtual is really none of your business. Your child gets to be back in the classroom, amongst peers. Isn't this the main reason why most parents wanted their kids back in school - for mental health issues resulting from isolation? Yes, having an in person teacher is better but your kid will be okay if one or two classes are taught virtually while kids are in the classroom. Your demand that all teachers return in person is just plain selfish. You don't know the personal situation of those choosing to remain virtual. Maybe they have an at risk family member who hasn't been vaccinated. I personally know of one teacher who has a child going through cancer treatments. Obviously, this child can't be vaccinated and is at high risk. Yes, the teacher is vaccinated so she probably won't fall ill with Covid, but being around unvaccinated kids all day, she can still get silently infected and could pass it on to her child. She shouldn't have to take that risk. Simply, whatever a teacher's reason is, you don't need to know it as it's none of your business. Teaching is a tough job and those who choose that profession choose it because they care. Why don't you try to have some compassion and stop thinking just about yourself?

Because I am a law enforcement agent, and have been back at work prior to receiving my first vaccine, despite the fact that my husband has a condition that renders him high risk, and has yet to be vaccinated. I honestly cannot imaging anyone in my line of work refusing to return unless they personally had a medical condition and an assocaited reasonable accomodation under the ADA, and if they did, they would no longer be employed.

I hear what you're saying. I also hear what teachers are saying.

Are you in a small room for up to 4 hours at a time with 8-10 unvaccinated teenagers who are allowed to unmask for 1/2 hour to eat breakfast, and then to unmask for 1/2 hour for lunch, and then to unmask for 2 mask breaks during that 4 hours? Probably not. The teachers' arguments about safety are valid given those considerations. It is why we're keeping our tweens and teens home. I don't want my kid in that environment, either.

While I applaud your service I hope you recognize that your work conditions are greatly different from that of a teacher. In my opinion, your risk is much lower because you don't have the extended duration and same proximity with asymptomatic super-spreaders.

+100000

[Anonymous]

serious question - how long does this accommodation have legs? meaning - for teachers that are approved to remain remote now due to having an ADA, how is that handled in the fall?

I think it's pretty obvious that it's essential for most teachers to teach in-person. There may always be some remote opportunities, but given demand for in-person education, remote teachers will have a lot of competition to remain remote.

How long will the current arrangement be approved for? What will these teachers due in the fall if their accommodation expires?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:serious question - how long does this accommodation have legs? meaning - for teachers that are approved to remain remote now due to having an ADA, how is that handled in the fall?

I think it's pretty obvious that it's essential for most teachers to teach in-person. There may always be some remote opportunities, but given demand for in-person education, remote teachers will have a lot of competition to remain remote.

How long will the current arrangement be approved for? What will these teachers due in the fall if their accommodation expires?

I am sure they will write it into their contracts that they have to be in person. Just like they keep them on salary, so they don’t have to pay them overtime.